Wonder Woman (Standard Equipment only) vs Namor and Iron-Man (616 versions)

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Prove Superman is stronger than Wonder Woman using only feats. Oh wait, I can. And yes, he is.

Prove Superman is stronger than Black Adam using only feats. I cannot prove absolutely he is but I can prove he has better strength feats.

I cannot prove in the absolute sense that WW is stronger than Namor. I can only prove she has performed strength feats that far surpass his best ones.

Prove Superman is stronger than Wonder Woman using only fights or what I do a mesher between fights, feats and actual portrayals, instead of selective scanning, oh wait, I can. And yes, he is.

Prove Black Adam is even in the same weight class as Superman using only feats.

LOL

YOU CAN'T EVEN PROVE BLACK ADAM IS EVEN IN THE SAME WEIGHT CLASS AS SUPERMAN USING FEATS OF STRENGTH. FEATS OF STRENGTH SAY NAMOR IS IN THE SAME WEIGHT CLASS AS BLACK ADAM

I can only prove she has performed strength feats that far surpass his best ones

You can't even do that.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jamdav86/Strength_level_(comics)

the latest handbook rates Thor as Class

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Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Prove Superman is stronger than Wonder Woman using only fights or what I do a mesher between fights, feats and actual portrayals, instead of selective scanning, oh wait, I can. And yes, he is.

No you cannot. There are too many things obscuring the results. Sun-amps. Rage. Actual feats however show she does not have strength feats on the level he does.

YOU CAN'T EVEN PROVE BLACK ADAM IS EVEN IN THE SAME WEIGHT CLASS AS SUPERMAN USING FEATS OF STRENGTH. FEATS OF STRENGTH SAY NAMOR IS IN THE SAME WEIGHT CLASS AS BLACK ADAM

Oh, Namor has tossed an ocean liner halfway around the world? Black Adam has. Doesn't seem the same weight class.

I can only prove she has performed strength feats that far surpass his best ones

You can't even do that.

submarine <----> mountain

Originally posted by SupremeMan
No you cannot. There are too many things obscuring the results. Sun-amps. Rage.

Not really, Wonder Woman was getting thrashed before the "sun amp" and Sacrifice isn't their only fight.

Oh, Namor has tossed an ocean liner halfway around the world? Black Adam has. Doesn't seem the same weight class.

Too many things obscuring the results. Isis power-ups. Rage.

submarine <----> mountain

When has she done this?

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
the latest handbook rates Thor as Class

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Here you go. Highest strength feats conveniently provided in many cases.

"The Marvel Universe" is a library of over 5,000 proprietary characters, created by "Marvel Enterprises, Inc.", a U.S.-based entertainment company.

According to The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, "strength" is "the ability to lift wieght above one's head with arms fully extended". The Handbook provides a listing with which the characters of the Marvel Universe would fall:

Below Normal: cannot lift one's one own body weight

Normal: able to roughly lift one's own body weight

Athlete: able to lift one to two times one's own body weight

Peak Human: able to lift from two times one's own body weight to 800 pounds

Enhanced Human: able to lift between 900 pounds and 2 tons

Superhuman Class 10: able to lift between 3 and 10 tons (weight of a car or a truck)

Superhuman Class 25: able to lift in the range of 15 to 25 tons

Superhuman Class 50: able to lift in the range of 30 to 50 tons (weight of a Panzer tank)

Superhuman Class 75: able to lift in the range of 60 to 75 tons

Superhuman Class 90: vast superhuman strength in a range greater than 80 tons, but not exceeding 100 tons (the weight of a small jet airliner)

Superhuman Class 100: vast superhuman strength enabling a being to lift well over 100 tons (the weight of a submarine or small building)

Incalculable: vast superhuman strength enabling a being to lift thousands or even millions of tons (the weight of a mountain or more)

Totally immeasurable: strength enabling a being to lift weights on a planetary scale

Normal:
A normal human being can lift (military press) between 70 and 130 lb (30 and 60 kg) This person engages in moderate regular exercise.

Mary Jane Watson-Parker 45 kg (100 lb)
J. Jonah Jameson 60 kg (130 lb)
Mister Fantastic 60 kg (130 lb)

Athlete:
A human being who has Athletic physical strength can military press the weight of the average human being or greater; roughly 175–350 lb (80–175 kg). In the real world, the vast majority of the population isn't capable of military pressing 175 pounds or more. A person is considered physically strong (athletic) if they can bench press their own weight. This requires intensive regular exercise.

Punisher 90 kg (200 lb)
Nightcrawler 90 kg (200 lb)
Cyclops 100 kg (225 lb)
Nick Fury 125 kg (275 lb)
Bullseye 135 kg (300 lb)
Hawkeye 160 kg (350 lb)

Peak Human:
A person capable of lifting double their body weight to 800 pounds (360 kg). A person can also be placed into this category of the weight they lift is considerable and much heavier than they are (for example, the Kingpin weighs 450 pounds (200 kg) but can press 700 pounds (320 kg)). (Note: In the Marvel Universe, 360 kg (800 lb) is the most a human being can lift without being considered superhuman.)

Daredevil 180 kg (400 lb)
Kingpin 320 kg (700 lb)
Captain America 360 kg (800 lb)
Colossus (in his normal state) (550 lb)
Angel (500 lb)
Wolverine (without Adamantium skeleton) (800 lb)

Enhanced Human:
A person capable of lifting between 900 pounds (410 kg) and 2 tons (1,800 kg). (Note: Enhanced Human is considered to be a low level of superhuman strength.)

Lady Deathstrike 910 kg (1 ton)
Wolverine (with adamantium skeleton) 910 kg (1 ton)
Morbius 680 kg (1,500 lb)
Blade 1,800 kg (2 tons)
Doctor Doom (with armor) 1,800 kg (2 tons)
Man-Thing (enhanced human)

Superhuman Class 10:
A person capable of lifting between 2 and 10 tons.

Cable
Dracula 3,600 kg (4 tons)
Ghost Rider (5 tons)
Green Goblin (9 tons)
Omega Red without tenacles (10 tons)
Luke Cage (superhuman class 10, possibly greater)

Superhuman Class 25:
A person capable of lifting between 10 and 25 tons.

Scorpion (12 tons)
Sabretooth (12 tons)
Super Skrull (15 tons)
Spider-Man (15 tons)
Doctor Octopus with tenacles (20 tons)
Enchantress (25 tons)
Venom (25 tons; variable as Venom has temporarilly assumed greater levels matching Hulk level)

Superhuman Class 50:
A person capable of lifting between 25 and 50 tons.

Beast (30 tons)
Omega Red with tenacles (40 tons)
Carnage (50 tons)
Valkyrie (45 tons)
Hogun the Grim (35 tons)
Namor the Sub-Mariner (out of water) (40 tons)
Rogue (formerly superhuman class 50, now normal)

Superhuman Class 75:
A person capable of lifting between 50 and 75 tons.

Odin (60 tons)
Doc Samson (70 tons) (Depending upon the length of his hair.)
The Blob (75 tons)
Ares (70 tons)
Attuma (60 tons)
Executioner (65 tons)

Superhuman Class 90:
A person capable of lifting between 75 and 90 tons.

The Thing (85 tons)
Rhino (80 tons)
Sasquatch (85 tons)
Orca (90 tons)
Namor the Sub-Mariner (in water) (85 tons)
Tiger Shark (90 tons)
Juggernaut (formerly superhuman class 100, now superhuman class 90 due to loss of mystic gem)
Iron Man(superhuman class 75 to superhuman class 90, depending on armor used)
She-Hulk (superhuman class 90)

Superhuman Class 100:
A person capable of lifting between 90 short tons and 100 short tons.

Ulik 86 t (95 tons)
Colossus 91 t (100 tons)
Zeus 91 t (100 tons)
The Abomination 91 t (100 tons)
Silver Surfer (superhuman class 100)

Incalculable:
A person capable of lifting far in excess of 100 short tons (91 t), with no given upper limit. and successfully arm-wrestled the demigod Hercules)

The Incredible Hulk (Has supported the weight of a 150 billion ton mountain.)
Thor (Has been able to lift part of the Midgard Serpent's body, whose circumference is greater than that of Earth itself.)
Kurse (Has had his strength enhanced to a degree said to be double that of Thor.)
Hercules (Hercules has lifted and hurled giant Sequoia trees and has carried the full weight of a starship.)
Apocalypse (Apocalypse has shown that he possesses sufficient strength to physical restrain the Hulk, while the Hulk was in an enraged state.)
Gladiator (Has lifted and supported the weight of the headquarters of the Fantastic Four, the Baxter Building. The building is approximately 35 stories high.)
Magneto (Has used his magnetic powers to supplement his strength to levels sufficient to lift in excess of 100 tons)
Beta Ray Bill (incalculable when using enchanted hammer)
Galactus
Sasquatch (has towed a 5000 ton naval destroyer; depicted at multiple levels as his power can fluctuate depending upon the level of possession he experiences)
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Incredible Hulk on down are Class 100

Your point in copy pasting a wiki?

Your WIKI even contradicts itself (see Juggernaut class 95's ranked Class 100)

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Oh, Namor has tossed an ocean liner halfway around the world? Black Adam has. Doesn't seem the same weight class.

Too many things obscuring the results. Isis power-ups. Rage.
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🙂 Actually, I kind of like you. We've pretty much proven that you can prove anything from comics and can then prove the exact opposite and/ or cannot prove anything one way or the other for the inconsistency. But its sure fun arguing. Good match.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Incredible Hulk on down are Class 100

Your point in copy pasting a wiki?

Your WIKI even contradicts itself (see Juggernaut class 95's ranked Class 100)

They listed an explanation for why Juggernaut dropped. The Hulk is listed as Class Incalculable. But they seem to be using the highest known strength feats.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
🙂 Actually, I kind of like you. We've pretty much proven that you can prove anything from comics and can then prove the exact opposite and/ or cannot prove anything one way or the other for the inconsistency. But its sure fun arguing. Good match.

True indeed. 🙂

Originally posted by SupremeMan
They listed an explanation for why Juggernaut dropped. The Hulk is listed as Class Incalculable. But they seem to be using the highest known strength feats.

No no the point is Juggs prior class ranking should be "incalculable" instead of going from 100 to 90.

Unless we're going to sit here and argue that Classic Juggs is much weaker then his butt buddy polar opposite Savage Hulk

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
When has she done this?

He might be referencing this...

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlatitans3wwasteroid1oi.jpg

srug

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
No no the point is Juggs prior class ranking should be "incalculable" instead of going from 100 to 90.

Unless we're going to sit here and argue that Classic Juggs is much weaker then his butt buddy polar opposite Savage Hulk

Oh okay I see your point now. Yeah Juggy should have been Class Incalculable.

Originally posted by batdude123
He might be referencing this...

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlatitans3wwasteroid1oi.jpg

srug

Anyway to calculate what that metal was made of?

Originally posted by batdude123
He might be referencing this...

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlatitans3wwasteroid1oi.jpg

srug

Yes I believe that was the one I was thinking about. I just had a memory of her lifting a mountain. By the board rules she surpasses him in proven strength feats but, as we said, comics characters are so inconsistent that doing this for anything but fun is pointless.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Oh i thought he meant rock mountain.

Anyway to calculate what that metal was made of?

Regardless, it was falling from space and she caught it. That adds to to the impressiveness of it.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Oh i thought he meant rock mountain.

Anyway to calculate what that metal was made of?

There may be some way to estimate it but I don't know how. I remember a thread where people argued how much that island Superman lifted in "Superman Returns" weighed. I think it turned into 20 pages of 'Nobody knows for sure. It weighs a lot."

And there's no way to know how much that object weighs.

There are real life subs to somewhat put quantity in Namor's various subtossing feats.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
And there's no way to know how much that object weighs.

There are real life subs to somewhat put quantity in Namor's various subtossing feats.

You're right.

Judging from the scan, I'd say it weighed no more than a Ford Focus without the engine in it.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Yes I believe that was the one I was thinking about. I just had a memory of her lifting a mountain. By the board rules she surpasses him in proven strength feats but, as we said, comics characters are so inconsistent that doing this for anything but fun is pointless.

That's why you go by a good healthy average

What the character can do
What the character shows you in a fight amongst other characters
How their roles in teams are
What other characters think when they see this character
What they are written like precluding the flashy feat and on a comic to comic basis
Etc.

Given all that, how's Wonder Woman even 2x Namor?

Originally posted by batdude123
You're right.

Judging from the scan, I'd say it weighed no more than a Ford Focus without the engine in it.