Originally posted by Accel
From JLA Classified #17, Wonder Woman tags the Flash:
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6421/137zw.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1867/145cp.jpg
Let's see Namor or IM do that. 😗
Originally posted by Accel
From JLA Classified #17, Wonder Woman tags the Flash:
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6421/137zw.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1867/145cp.jpg
Let's see Namor or IM do that. 😗
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
How am I wrong? I have handbooks that back my stance, statements from marvel, etc.You have on panel evidence.
On panel evidence One of Thing's first appearances had him swinging around 100 ton swords like they were cotton bats.
Class 100?
And which do you think KMC uses? What do you think is the gold standard of evidence here? I'll give you a hint: Using one of them gets you laughed at and nukes your credibility. 😈
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And which do you think KMC uses? What do you think is the gold standard of evidence here? I'll give you a hint: Using one of them gets you laughed at and nukes your credibility. 😈
So KMC goes with fan opinion over what's shown in handbooks?
I guess Doc Samson's a solid Class 100
he's shook buildings
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
He's friggin KO'd the Hulk.What non class 100 has actually knocked the Hulk out (lol Snakes lol Captain America, now aren't you funny loser)?
CLASS 100
BTW: I thought KMC embraced one time feats? For instance
Wonder Woman's one time having a respectable showing against a top tier Class 100
From what I understand, one-time feats that are highly inconsistent with all other showings are generally dismissed.
Handbooks are also generally dismissed except when a character's consistent showings match them. Marvel in particular has many characters whose actual feats in the comics far outstrip their stated limits in the handbooks. It would be an extreme disadvantage to Marvel to base Marvel vs. DC arguments on the Marvel handbooks. You'd be accepting as fact that many Marvel characters can lift 70 to 90 tons and they are considered serious powerhouses at Marvel. Meanwhile, you'd still have to estimate the strengths of DC characters. Characters like Superman, Black Adam, the Martian Manhunter and, yes, Wonder Woman, would depending upon the writer have strength ranging from a billion tons to a quintillion tons or more.
Finally, while fights between characters do count as evidence, there is a tendency in fights for two things to happen. In some situations, there is a tendency of the writer to bend the power levels of characters towards the middle. So you end up with two characters of vastly different power levels having an exciting fight when one shouldn't be in the other's league. Then you have the Jobber situation where one character annihilates another character so the writer establishes how tough he is when it should be a close fight.
Captain America vs. The Hulk would definitely be an example of bending towards the middle.
Black Adam beating almost every hero in the DCU by himself would be an example of other characters being used as fodder to 'prove' how tough he is far beyond his normal showings.
The best criteria for who is more powerful is to look at the feats of the characters in their own comics and sometimes simply when they are not even fighting anyone. What are the character's greatest strength feats? What seems the most damage they've shown they can shrug off? How fast are they?
Most vs. forums (including this one I think) take the point of view that there is overwhelming BS when characters fight each other. For example, the Silver Age Barry Allen Flash could run around the world in one second, maybe more than once. He could snag bullets out of the air. Heck, he could run behind people, take the clips out of their guns, put the guns back in the holsters and run back to where he started so fast they never saw him move. And guess what? He had enemies, some without any superspeed, that hit him in fights.
Originally posted by SupremeMan
From what I understand, one-time feats that are highly inconsistent with all other showings are generally dismissed.Handbooks are also generally dismissed except when a character's consistent showings match them. Marvel in particular has many characters whose actual feats in the comics far outstrip their stated limits in the handbooks. It would be an extreme disadvantage to Marvel to base Marvel vs. DC arguments on the Marvel handbooks. You'd be accepting as fact that many Marvel characters can lift 70 to 90 tons and they are considered serious powerhouses at Marvel. Meanwhile, you'd still have to estimate the strengths of DC characters. Characters like Superman, Black Adam, the Martian Manhunter and, yes, Wonder Woman, would depending upon the writer have strength ranging from a billion tons to a quintillion tons or more.
OR I'm not being literal and accepting the class system for what it is instead of what (mostly DC) fans (that's right, Marvel even encourages writers to not take the class system for it's literal meaning) make it out to be.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
OR I'm not being literal and accepting the class system for what it is instead of what (mostly DC) fans (that's right, Marvel even encourages writers to not take the class system for it's literal meaning) make it out to be.
So effectively your just trolling and flaming then.
Thanks 👆
Reported.
Originally posted by Papa SmurphWonder Woman would dance all day around Namor. He wouldn't even see her move.
What makes you believe Wonder Woman takes this?Speedblitz?
Hay guyz, what's the difference between Wonder Woman and Namor?
Namor has legit wins over high end Class 100s
Wonder Woman has legit didn't get her ass steam rolled like everyone thought she would and put up a respectable showings against high end Class 100s
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Then there's the bracelets and lasso, the former which can protect her against anything they throw at her, and the latter which can one-shot either of them.
She rips through them.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Rhino is around a class 85 last I checked.And unlike Simon, Rhino doesn't have wins over top tiers. 🙄
Rhino has never been any higher than CL50.
WW isn't as strong as either THOR nor HULK and both Namor and IM have more than held their own against both of them on more than one occasion.
The Team is too much for WW she would struggle for a victory 1 on 1 with either of them.
The Team 10/10
😉
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Wonder Woman would dance all day around Namor. He wouldn't even see her move.Then there's the bracelets and lasso, the former which can protect her against anything they throw at her, and the latter which can one-shot either of them.
She rips through them.
Wonder Woman = 100
Namor = ???
1 second into this fight Namor head would be rolling on the ground because WW ran past him used her Tara and cut his head off. The next second after that WW lassos Iron Man and commands him to turn into a tin can.
Then then gets bored and decides to play a game of kick the can and boots the can off the planet.
Then she decides that she wants to start collecting heads and bags Namor's head with Medusa's
Or
She saves a few seconds by lassoing both of them and command them to go away and be lovers
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Rhino has never been any higher than CL50.WW isn't as strong as either THOR nor HULK and both Namor and IM have more than held their own against both of them on more than one occasion.
Edit: And speed feats, both straightline movement and reflexes?
The Team is too much for WW she would struggle for a victory 1 on 1 with either of them.
The Team 10/10
😉
What would you say Thor's best strength feats are?
The Huk's?
Namor's?
Wonder Woman's?
Same questions for durability.
Just trying to get an idea here of relative levels. I notice one of the sticky threads that rates power levels here at KMC puts WW a couple of tiers (or sub-tiers) above Namor on the power scale.
Edit: Edit: And speed feats, both straightline movement and reflexes?
Originally posted by SupremeMan
Just trying to get an idea here of relative levels. I notice one of the sticky threads that rates power levels here at KMC puts WW a couple of tiers (or sub-tiers) above Namor on the power scale.
I'm guessing this has to do more with her hardcore fanbase which seems to believe she's 5x's stronger then Namor and dances circles around him then actual portrayals in comics.