Wonder Woman (Standard Equipment only) vs Namor and Iron-Man (616 versions)

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
True, his tactics stinked. but you're severely underrating his speed. He was controlled by a Starro. And unless you know nothing about DC, you know they use the full power of whoever they have their grip on.

Just now seen this.

Then why didn't Starro speed up the neurons in Wonder Woman's head and IMP the comatose Wonder Woman?

Why didn't Starro drain her speed grab a gun and shoot her in the face?

Why didn't Starro speed up her heart valves?

Why didn't Starro (insert speed based power that would have dead'd Wonder Woman on the spot)

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Come on now I think that it's very easy to come about a Namor/IM majority win... Namor and IM take her on head on, IM calls down his war machine armor by his technopathy and he shoots her in the back with it's Gatling gun .50 cals...Over and over and over and over... This can be repeated.

End of discussion.

Now what?

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Originally posted by Tony Stark
Now what?

I'd bother with scans if I thought they meant anything to you. Post a pic of Namor next.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Blocking gunfire from all sides, at close range, while blind.

I'd bother with scans if I thought they meant anything to you. Post a pic of Namor next.

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K...? WW is still dead.

Face up on both Namor and IM WW isn't going to be able to even see IM's War Machine come from behind her sooooooo... She's not blocking shit from behind while she's ducking CL100 punches from Namor and trying to block hotter than the sun blasts from IM from the front.

WW dies... Sorry all.

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Originally posted by Tony Stark
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K...? WW is still dead.

Face up on both Namor and IM WW isn't going to be able to even see IM's War Machine come from behind her sooooooo... She's not blocking shit from behind while she's ducking CL100 punches from Namor and trying to block hotter than the sun blasts from IM from the front.

WW dies... Sorry all.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's nice, Tony. Blacksuit Namor next.

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Wow.

Diana stomps them.

Superior Speed, strength, skill, experience and the nifty lasso see to that.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
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K...? WW is still dead.

Face up on both Namor and IM WW isn't going to be able to even see IM's War Machine come from behind her sooooooo... She's not blocking shit from behind while she's ducking CL100 punches from Namor and trying to block hotter than the sun blasts from IM from the front.

WW dies... Sorry all.

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So, your premise is that she thinks its her vs. Namor and nobody mentioned there was another contestant and she doesn't have that ability to block attacks while blind anymore? Just checking. So Iron-Man might beat her if he sneaks up from behind while she's fighting somebody else? Then again, since she'd sense him, she would likely just use her superior speed to dodge and let Namor take the hits or her superior strength to spin him into the way.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
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K...? WW is still dead.

Face up on both Namor and IM WW isn't going to be able to even see IM's War Machine come from behind her sooooooo... She's not blocking shit from behind while she's ducking CL100 punches from Namor and trying to block hotter than the sun blasts from IM from the front.

WW dies... Sorry all.

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Well, if we are going with the class system, Namor is Class 90. Personally I give him Class 100 to her Class Incalculable. Then we've got Iron-Man's Hyperbole blasts (hotter than the Sun) and Namor vs. a chick that can move a third of the mass of the Moon at the very least. All of which is ignoring the initial speed blitz that had already ended this.

WW wins 6/10, due to superior strength (two high-kiloton-strength characters vs one megaton-strength character) and speed (near-FTL reflexes). She'd win more if she were bulletproof, and the only reason she isn't bulletproof is because blocking bullets is the icon's signature move, not because of higher psi (though Superman's fists are bigger than a bullet, they move so much faster that his fists generate a much higher psi--yes, I once worked this out mathematically in another thread. Yet, WW has repeatedly withstood blows from Big Blue).

Originally posted by Mindship
WW wins 6/10, due to superior strength (two high-kiloton-strength characters vs one megaton-strength character) and speed (near-FTL reflexes). She'd win more if she were bulletproof, and the only reason she isn't bulletproof is because blocking bullets is the icon's signature move, not because of higher psi (though Superman's fists are bigger than a bullet, they move so much faster that his fists generate a much higher psi--yes, I once worked this out mathematically in another thread. Yet, WW has repeatedly withstood blows from Big Blue).

Yes the need to block bullets is a carryover from her origin in the 1940s and is still there because its her signature and her bracelets are signature gear. Needing to block bullets is inconsistent with her durability in other ways. Its like the Green Lanterns and their weakness to yellow. Its just an anomaly, It doesn't anything about their durability otherwise. And both are being widdled away. The GLs can now overcome the weakness to yellow by overcoming fear and WW it seems now winces if bullets hit her but they don't put her down.

This chick survived punches from Supes and kept fighting. IM and Namor would be splattered across the solar system by those punches. And let's not ignore they had to make Superman berserk and sun-amped both pushing him beyond his normal strength levels to even knock her out for a couple of seconds.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
WW it seems now winces if bullets hit her but they don't put her down.

Originally posted by Mindship
Suggestion for new signature move: she catches bullets and throws 'em right back at the source.

Just reread a Wonder Woman comic, #194. It was just the next one to reread in order. WW protects a man by running around him, shielding him from energy from the Shattered God as he summons all of himself from all the reaches of the universe. So we have all this energy coming at the man at beyond lightspeed and she is circling him so fast she's blocking all of it. In one panel, we see thirteen images of her around him with her arms moving so fast she blocks everything. Yeah Namor and IM have done feats of speed and reflexes like that- not!

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Well, if we are going with the class system, Namor is Class 90. Personally I give him Class 100 to her Class Incalculable. Then we've got Iron-Man's Hyperbole blasts (hotter than the Sun) and Namor vs. a chick that can move a third of the mass of the Moon at the very least. All of which is ignoring the initial speed blitz that had already ended this.

What decade are you retrieving your intel from... Namor is most definitely CL100... And You may want to go to the IM respect thread to see him bubble Graviton with his chest ray. At a little over 70% power output it was hotter than the sun. It is on panel and definitely not hyperbole.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
What decade are you retrieving your intel from... Namor is most definitely CL100... And You may want to go to the IM respect thread to see him bubble Graviton with his chest ray. At a little over 70% power output it was hotter than the sun. It is on panel and definitely not hyperbole.

First, I'll admit straight out that with the prices of comics today, I don't see how anybody can collect enough comics to know all characters extremely well. In most of these debates, I strongly suspect most people don't have up to date information on all characters directly from the comics unless they burn their entire paycheck on comics while living at their parents' house- or they work in a comics store.

But I took this from two sources. One was the KMC Mixed Genre and Comic Tier Reference Guide which lists Wonder Woman as Middle Level Herald overall power level and both Namor and IM as high metahuman level.

The other was

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jamdav86/Strength_level_(comics)

which listed Namor as Class 90 but, according to what I've read here, I'd say more like Class 100. Although the site only lists Marvel characters, the description would put WW in the Incalculable class.

Originally posted by SupremeMan

But I took this from two sources. One was the KMC Mixed Genre and Comic Tier Reference Guide which lists Wonder Woman as Middle Level Herald overall power level and both Namor and IM as high metahuman level.

Which is more of a fallacy on KMC's part.

Wonder Woman is on the same tier as Gladiator

How?

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Which is more of a fallacy on KMC's part.

Wonder Woman is on the same tier as Gladiator

How?

Cause she takes a majority from Glads with her weapons. 😉

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Cause she takes a majority from Glads with her weapons. 😉

Why? She can't even make a Daxamite break a sweat.

She's been upgraded quite a bit since then. And she wasn't trying to kill said daxamite.

Also, Daxamite>> or maybe >>>Gladiator.

Daxamites have legitmate planet buster feats under their belts?

Daxamites have moved so fast that they were able to transcend time and space stoppage?

Daxamites have crushed and ripped stars apart with their bare hands?

Wonder Woman has legit wins over high end Class 100's?