Superman w/Surfer VS Gladiator w/Xavier

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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Gladiator got KO'ed by laser guns.

Hyperion does not equal relevancy to Superman...

Gas station and powerlines have dropped supes so low showing happens to all..... But when you debate a then run to one persons low showing and leave out the others you label yourself as a fanboy so debating your type will only resort to name calling and other fanboys from both sides,You think supes will win but you do not take into consideration what could happen if gladiator with MR X keeping his mind focused..Why bring up laser guns? What would laser guns do to this gladiator? Are you trying to have gladiator at his lowest and superman at his best? A true debater would have spoken of the laser guns and the gas station..A fanboy would not debate because he does not think supes would win he WANTS supes to win so he or she forgets how a person is looked at in this fight... BOTH ARE AT THEIR BEST.....a laser gun will not KO this gladiator or superman but you are not using THIS gladiator so the debate between me and you has come to an end.

Have we ever seen the limits of what a confidence-boosted Gladiator can accomplish? No.

Have we ever seen the limits of what an infinitely sun-enhanced Superman can accomplish? No.

Great match. I call stalemate.

Bloodlust Superman wouldn't be holding back - also his power is consistent. The same can not be said for Gladiator who only needs a few slaps to momentarily lose confidence thus resulting in power loss - whilst a p*ssed off Superman will only fight harder and own this.

Of course this is only my opinion 🙂

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Have we ever seen the limits of what a confidence-[B]boosted Gladiator can accomplish? No.

Have we ever seen the limits of what an infinitely sun-enhanced Superman can accomplish? No.

Great match. I call stalemate. [/B]

superman ftw

Originally posted by Grammaton
Bloodlust Superman wouldn't be holding back - also his power is consistent. The same can not be said for Gladiator who only needs a few slaps to momentarily lose confidence thus resulting in power loss - whilst a p*ssed off Superman will only fight harder and own this.

Of course this is only my opinion 🙂

Why would he lose confidence if charles is boosting it to a point to where he thinks he can beat anyone no matter what happens or who he fights? Gladiator will not hold back also,We have seen a sundipped supes fail to take out someone, We have seen a enraged supes fail to take out someone but a confidence boosted or enraged gladiator we have never seen....He got mad and destroyed a planet with his fists but was that his limit? He already has near-limitless strength and his fastest recorded flight speed was 100 times the speed of light, How does a un-boosted superman compare to a un-boosted glads? Who is the better fighter? Whos faster? which one would kill with no remorse? If it took the earth being destroyed to win the fight which one would do it? Which one could destroy it? which one has the stamina to fight a very long battle? Which one hits the hardest? All of this has to be looked at in this battle.

Originally posted by james2099
Why would he lose confidence if charles is boosting it to a point to where he thinks he can beat anyone no matter what happens or who he fights? Gladiator will not hold back also,We have seen a sundipped supes fail to take out someone, We have seen a enraged supes fail to take out someone but a confidence boosted or enraged gladiator we have never seen....He got mad and destroyed a planet with his fists but was that his limit? He already has near-limitless strength and his fastest recorded flight speed was 100 times the speed of light, How does a un-boosted superman compare to a un-boosted glads? Who is the better fighter? Whos faster? which one would kill with no remorse? If it took the earth being destroyed to win the fight which one would do it? Which one could destroy it? which one has the stamina to fight a very long battle? Which one hits the hardest? All of this has to be looked at in this battle.

If were going to start talking feats then I think its safe to say that Superman has done it all (and the list is far too long and everyone already has a good idea). But we're not talkin about feats. Gladiator is far too inconsistent and against lesser powered beings could probably hold his own and keep his confidence high - but againt somone like Superman? Gladiator is not going to be consistently confident, all it'll take is a few sun dipped powered blows - and Gladiator will not be able to maintain his power and will be exploited unlike Superman who will only get stronger.

Has Superman ever punched apart two planets?

Current Superman.

Originally posted by llagrok
Has Superman ever punched apart two planets?

Current Superman.


Cant say hes ever needed to,we know he can move planets much heavier than earth,and that he can hold mini black holes with his bare hands,and when he gladiator ever done that cause I only remember him breaking a planet with 3 punches once.

current supes could not hold a black adam let alone a black hole in his hands nor could he punch and destroy a planet, He needed help to move a moon so a planet is out of the question...Will someone start a thread about planet movers and destroyer with PROOF THAT THEY DID IT.

Originally posted by james2099
current supes could not hold a black adam let alone a black hole in his hands nor could he punch and destroy a planet, He needed help to move a moon so a planet is out of the question...Will someone start a thread about planet movers and destroyer with PROOF THAT THEY DID IT.

Hold a black adam?,hes moved heavier than earth planets while under a red sun,and contained a mini black hole with his hands,not to mention several people who would know about supermans strength saying he could crack a planet.

Originally posted by Grammaton
Bloodlust Superman wouldn't be holding back - also his power is consistent. The same can not be said for Gladiator who only needs a few slaps to momentarily lose confidence thus resulting in power loss - whilst a p*ssed off Superman will only fight harder and own this.

Of course this is only my opinion 🙂

Why would Gladiator's power wain in this fight? That's the entire purpose of having Xavier on the "team," so his theoretical confidence can never go down in this fight.

The Gladiator in this fight pretty much isn't one we've seen in comics, and I fail to see how anyone gets stomped.

Originally posted by james2099
Why would he lose confidence if charles is boosting it to a point to where he thinks he can beat anyone no matter what happens or who he fights? Gladiator will not hold back also,We have seen a sundipped supes fail to take out someone, We have seen a enraged supes fail to take out someone but a confidence boosted or enraged gladiator we have never seen....He got mad and destroyed a planet with his fists but was that his limit? He already has near-limitless strength and his fastest recorded flight speed was 100 times the speed of light, How does a un-boosted superman compare to a un-boosted glads? Who is the better fighter? Whos faster? which one would kill with no remorse? If it took the earth being destroyed to win the fight which one would do it? Which one could destroy it? which one has the stamina to fight a very long battle? Which one hits the hardest? All of this has to be looked at in this battle.

These are good points and this is a good match.

My idea of including Xavier was so Gladiators confidence would NEVER diminish or dwindle, it would remain at maximum until he either killed or was killed.
Superman would also be constantly receiving solar radiation in large doses from the beginning until the end.

We have no feats of Gladiator with this kind of confidence boost so the outcome on that regard would always be speculation.
However, the feats we have of a sun-dipped Superman show his power increase exponentially.

They're also bloodlusted, no so holding back for either.

How fast is a Sun amped Supes? Because normal Glads was clocked at 100 times the speed of light so an amped Glads would be faster could Supes keep up? If so this could be a stalemate.

Originally posted by D-Block
How fast is a Sun amped Supes? Because normal Glads was clocked at 100 times the speed of light so an amped Glads would be faster could Supes keep up? If so this could be a stalemate.

During inf crisis he flew over 2.3million lightyears in a very short time,and sun dip increase his abilities many times over very fast.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hold a black adam?,hes moved heavier than earth planets while under a red sun,and contained a mini black hole with his hands,not to mention several people who would know about supermans strength saying he could crack a planet.
Current supes cannot do any of that, Gladiator has destroyed a planet and has boasted of being able to move planets and colapse stars....All of which he has done or claim to be able to do at normal level...At normal level superman has never did or claimed to be able to do any of the feats you named... If gladiator displays that kind of power at normal levels and supes does not then its up to the point of how much stronger each will get when the solar bath and confidence boost happens....Now if glads can do all of those things when at normal levels what can he do if he thinks hes a GOD.... Same for supes, What can he do when hes amped?...Hes been amped before and sundipped before and been in fights so what happened in his fights? How would gladiator fight when amped?

Originally posted by Newjak
For the first few minutes this will be a fight, but I've never seen how well Glads Confidence really speeds up his strength, speed,etc compared to Superman taking large amounts of Solar Radiation in.

So after those first few moments Superman begins to smack Glads around like a red-headed step-child simply because we know how much stronger Superman gets after getting more solar radiation. The answer a lot.

QFT.

Originally posted by james2099
Current supes cannot do any of that, Gladiator has destroyed a planet and has boasted of being able to move planets and colapse stars....All of which he has done or claim to be able to do at normal level...At normal level superman has never did or claimed to be able to do any of the feats you named... If gladiator displays that kind of power at normal levels and supes does not then its up to the point of how much stronger each will get when the solar bath and confidence boost happens....Now if glads can do all of those things when at normal levels what can he do if he thinks hes a GOD.... Same for supes, What can he do when hes amped?...Hes been amped before and sundipped before and been in fights so what happened in his fights? How would gladiator fight when amped?

Except he did do those things and on panel...seriously you keep saying nuh uh isnt changing that,multiple people who would know what supermans power level is including himself have said that he could split a planet in half,he has held a mini black hole in the jla series,he has pushed a world while under a red sun that was heavier than earth is.

What you have here is a match between the Hulk (with a stipulation that he starts very angry, and that his anger continues to increase during the duration of the match), against the Juggernaut.

The 'Hulk' here is Superman ....and the increasing 'anger' is basically the solar juice emanating from Surfer. The longer the fight goes on, the more juiced he gets.

Juggernaut is Gladiator .....the psycho-effect from xavier basically means that Gladiator does not ebb ....he doesn't lose confidence and become a playtoy, and thus is similar to how the Juggernaut is. Protected by Cytorrak etc etc etc.

Thus, the question is (to put it another way) ....would a Hulk that is getting exponentially angry (and anger, just like how sunlight affects Superman, works in an exponential manner .....it is like decibels ....140 decibels is not double 70 decibels ...it is far higher) manage to defeat the Juggernaut.

As in:
a) Will Hulk's anger get to a point whereby (as it exponentially increases) he becomes more powerful physically than the level of protection that Cytorrak gives Juggernaut,

or

b) Will the Juggernaut be able to knock out the Hulk before he simply gets too strong to manage?

Those are the questions, and they are the same questions for Superman (with an ever increasing sun-dip) versus Gladiator (who is at maximum strength).

But note: In both the Hulk and Superman case, they are getting exponentially stronger by the second. Every second that passes you face someone who is measurably stronger than he was a second ago. Any injury you might have metted on them is gone (healing, anger and solar based), and disadvantage they may have been at is lesser, and any advantage you may have considered your own is getting eroded. And this is happening on an exponential basis.

Also note: Juggernaut and Gladiator are NOT getting stronger. What is happening is that they are NOT getting WEAKER. They are at maximum strength.

But even if one was to assume that Gladiator and Juggernaut are stronger than Superman and Hulk respectively, what should be realized is that both Kal and Banner are getting stronger at a very fast rate, and before long you end up in a pre-crisis/WWH situation whereby it starts to resemble more of a DragonBall Z cartoon on steroids rather than 'normal' comics (whatever normal is).

You basically move into a deux ex machina situation that is not abating, and suddenly the advantages that mgiht have been held by Juggernaut and Kallark start looking dim.

Unless they win immediately at the outset of the battle (basically the proverbial one-second knockout), what will happen is that with each passing second they face a more powerful, more durable, more refreshed foe who is basically been constantly boosted.