Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I know, but it's not because of what they have done, it's because for no particular reason, other than some rabbling - Thanos, and DS got moved down.
Gimmie a break I have to organise alot fo stuff I just did a quick value judgment and decided there wouldnt be a problem....obvoulsy I was wrong so i'll put them back up and put it to a vote. I also had to assign ranks for characters with no ranks so sometimes it gets a bit hectic.
Multiversal (Many universes)
Mxy (Debateable that he has tech), Alexander Luthor, Braniac, Monarch, Henry Bendix(?), Metron, Thanos, Darkseid
Universal( The whole universe, not just the major races but includes abstracts)
Batman, Lex, Dr Doom, Reed, Annihilus, Galactus, Sinestro, Ultron, Adam Warlock, Grandmaster, High Evolutinary, Ray Palmer
Intergalactic (Threat to Skrull, Kree, Shi'ar and other races)
Tony Starks, Supreme Intelligence, Master Of The Worlds
Global
Nick Fury, Red Skull, Professor Niles Caulder, Doc Magnus, Mr Freeze, The Riddler, Apocalypse, Hank Pym, Vandal Savage, Mark Stein, The Joker, Leader, Mr Sinister, Black Panther, Shaman, Mister Terrific, Madison Jeffries, Ra's Al Ghul
International to street
Kingpin, Bullseye, Punisher, Crossbones, Spiderman, Deathstroke, Kraven The Hunter
Votes
2 Votes for Lex to World from Universal[tjcoady][Val]
1 Vote for Lex to remain at universal [Superherovandal]
2 Votes against Mxy being on the list [Galan007][King_Mungi]
1 Vote for Mxy being on the list [Alfheim]
3 Votes against Batman being universal [Peek][stylishsmurph][King Kandy]
5 Votes for Batman being universal [galan007][Alfheim][batdude123][invisiblewoman]
[Neo Darkhalen]
Should Carcass be on the list?
Changes
Thanos and Darkseid back to multiversal, they were there originally.
Originally posted by Val
I don't get it. Would Hal Jordan be multiversal based on what he pulled off in Zero Hour?
Didnt he go mad and get possesed by a fear parasite? There were cirumstances.
Originally posted by Val
This is why I asked what the criteria was for placement on the different tiers and it's still fuzzy IMO. I don't see how it's possible to say Monarch is as smart and resourceful as Braniac or Metron or that Sinestro is above Tony Stark and the Supreme Intelligence. Not unless you're taking their power level into account.
Well heres the thing put it to a vote but you also have to understand. Its not just about intelligence its also about the resources they have. It could be argued that Cap is as tactically as smart as Batman but the guy doesnt even use resources so hes not even on this list.
They idea is to try to imagine that if these guys had their powers taken away but just had their resources and intelligence how far do you think they would get?
Im thinking to myself that if you have a characters were most of his resources and prep comes from power then he shouldnt be on the list. I dont think this applies to DS or Thanos because they both ahve superhuman intelligence, but it seems to me that Monarch is just very powerful.
Originally posted by Val
Well for one, Reed's Abraxas feat steamrolls that one. I could also go with Galactus.Two, that sounds a lot like Intergalactic (Threat to Skrull, Kree, Shi'ar and other races)
Yes it does, so its not that there is a problem with the list, theres a problem with the placement.
Originally posted by ValI know that. Funny thing is you have the same problem with the list I do. Is there any reason why you're arguing?
Whats wrong with it, it seems that there isnt a problem with the categories but the placing of characters.
IMPORTANT SUGGESTIONS
1. Reasons for being on the list
There is some debate about where some characters should go and wether they should be on the list, so we need to try and decide why characters should be on the list. Some characters are very smart dont use resources eg Cap and are therefore not on the list, some characters are very powerful but are not very tactical smart and or dont have resources. So what should the criteria be? I suggest it should be a combination of intelligence tactical and techincal and how they use their intelligence in conjunction with their resources.
2. How long should it take for votes to be finalised?
Parallax didn't make Hal smarter. It was akin to being drunk.
Well heres the thing put it to a vote but you also have to understand. Its not just about intelligence its also about the resources they have. It could be argued that Cap is as tactically as smart as Batman but the guy doesnt even use resources so hes not even on this list.They idea is to try to imagine that if these guys had their powers taken away but just had their resources and intelligence how far do you think they would get?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Multiversal (Many universes)
Mxy (Debateable that he has tech), Alexander Luthor, Braniac, Monarch, Henry Bendix(?), Metron, Thanos, DarkseidUniversal( The whole universe, not just the major races but includes abstracts)
Batman, Lex, Dr Doom, Reed, Annihilus, Galactus, Sinestro, Ultron, Adam Warlock, Grandmaster, High Evolutinary, Ray PalmerIntergalactic (Threat to Skrull, Kree, Shi'ar and other races)
Tony Starks, Supreme Intelligence, Master Of The WorldsGlobal
Nick Fury, Red Skull, Professor Niles Caulder, Doc Magnus, Mr Freeze, The Riddler, Apocalypse, Hank Pym, Vandal Savage, Mark Stein, The Joker, Leader, Mr Sinister, Black Panther, Shaman, Mister Terrific, Madison Jeffries, Ra's Al GhulInternational to street
Kingpin, Bullseye, Punisher, Crossbones, Spiderman, Deathstroke, Kraven The Hunter[B]Votes
2 Votes for Lex to World from Universal[tjcoady][Val]
1 Vote for Lex to remain at universal [Superherovandal]
2 Votes against Mxy being on the list [Galan007][King_Mungi]
1 Vote for Mxy being on the list [Alfheim]
3 Votes against Batman being universal [Peek][stylishsmurph][King Kandy]
5 Votes for Batman being universal [galan007][Alfheim][batdude123][invisiblewoman]
[Neo Darkhalen]
Should Carcass be on the list?Changes
Thanos and Darkseid back to multiversal, they were there originally.
[/B]
Add my vote for Lex for intergalactic. Generally, he's not universal.
Against Mxy on the list. He's not a prep guy.
For Batman being universal.
Nick Fury for Global.