Prep and resources hierarchy

Multiversal (Many universes)
Mxy (Debateable that he has tech), Alexander Luthor, Braniac, Monarch, Henry Bendix(?), Metron

Universal( The whole universe, not just the major races but includes abstracts)
Batman, Lex, Dr Doom, Reed, Annihilus, Galactus, Sinestro, Thanos, Darkseid, Ultron, Adam Warlock, Grandmaster, High Evolutinary, Ray Palmer

Intergalactic (Threat to Skrull, Kree, Shi'ar and other races)
Tony Starks, Supreme Intelligence, Master Of The Worlds

Global
Nick Fury, Red Skull, Professor Niles Caulder, Doc Magnus, Mr Freeze, The Riddler, Apocalypse, Hank Pym, Vandal Savage, Mark Stein, The Joker, Leader, Mr Sinister, Black Panther, Shaman, Mister Terrific, Madison Jeffries, Ra's Al Ghul

International to street
Kingpin, Bullseye, Punisher, Crossbones, Spiderman, Deathstroke, Kraven The Hunter

Votes

1 Vote for Lex to World from Universal[tjcoady]
1 Vote for Lex to remain at universal [Superherovandal]
2 Votes against Mxy being on the list [Galan007][King_Mungi]
1 Vote for Mxy being on the list [Alfheim]
3 Votes against Batman being universal [Peek][stylishsmurph][King Kandy]
5 Votes for Batman being universal [galan007][Alfheim][batdude123][invisiblewoman]
[Neo Darkhalen]
Should Carcass be on the list?

What things has Batman done to make him Universal?

Originally posted by Val
Is multiversal, universal, intergalactic, etc just the names being used for the tiers? Taken at face value they don't seem to make much sense.

Well I thought they did. Intergalactic meaning a person can be a threat towards Shair, Skrull and Krees. Universal able to take over the WHOLE uinverse ie Thanos or Doom stealing Beyonders powers this would include threats to abstracts while an intergalactic threat wouldnt. Multiversal is self- explanatory.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Sinestro is extremely smart tactically at least. and by smart in this thread does it only mean like you know OH I created the UBER-INSTA-DEFEAT-RAY or does it also include tactical intelligence and political intellect.

However, if there is any multiversal level human its Alexander Luthor Jr.

Nah its not just about building stuff its tactically as well. Its a combination of tactical , technical know-how and use of resources.

Yeah Alex Luthor is on the list.

Originally posted by tjcoady
In regards to the Monarch debate, perhaps we should work out some sort of system- individuals like Darkseid or Monarch attain their vast resources because they in and of themselves are extremely powerful. Someone like Reed Richards or Luthor attain their resources not because of intrinsic power but because of intelligence. Monarch wouldn't have a vast army if he wasn't able to individually bitchslap everyone who he recruited...

yyyyyeah this is how I look at it. Thanos and DS both have superhuman intelligence if they just had superhuman intelligence how dangerous would they be. In my opinion Thanos could still take over the uiverse because he would be able to give himself powers and if you look at some of the tech he created it has been powerful enough to restrain warrior madness Thor with power gem. 😱

Originally posted by Peek
What things has Batman done to make him Universal?

He hasnt but alot of people feel that he has the ability to do so if so inclined.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Multiversal (Many universes)
Mxy (Debateable that he has tech), Alexander Luthor, Braniac, Monarch, Henry Bendix(?), Metron

Universal( The whole universe, not just the major races but includes abstracts)
Batman, Lex, Dr Doom, Reed, Annihilus, Galactus, Sinestro, Thanos, Darkseid, Ultron, Adam Warlock, Grandmaster, High Evolutinary, Ray Palmer

Intergalactic (Threat to Skrull, Kree, Shi'ar and other races)
Tony Starks, Supreme Intelligence, Master Of The Worlds

Global
Nick Fury, Red Skull, Professor Niles Caulder, Doc Magnus, Mr Freeze, The Riddler, Apocalypse, Hank Pym, Vandal Savage, Mark Stein, The Joker, Leader, Mr Sinister, Black Panther, Shaman, Mister Terrific, Madison Jeffries, Ra's Al Ghul

International to street
Kingpin, Bullseye, Punisher, Crossbones, Spiderman, Deathstroke, Kraven The Hunter

[B]Votes

1 Vote for Lex to World from Universal[tjcoady]
1 Vote for Lex to remain at universal [Superherovandal]
2 Votes against Mxy being on the list [Galan007][King_Mungi]
1 Vote for Mxy being on the list [Alfheim]
3 Votes against Batman being universal [Peek][stylishsmurph][King Kandy]
5 Votes for Batman being universal [galan007][Alfheim][batdude123][invisiblewoman]
[Neo Darkhalen]
Should Carcass be on the list? [/B]

There are loads of marvel villains and heroes that are Multiversal.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
There are loads of marvel villains and heroes that are Multiversal.

Yeah but it depends on why they are multiversal for example MJJ wont be on this list because alot of his powers come from reality warping. Eventhough Thanos has superhuman powers alot of his success comes from his intelliegnce and not just his powers. If Thanos was a dumbass he would have no where near the sucess he has had.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but it depends on why they are multiversal for example MJJ wont be on this list because alot of his powers come from reality warping. Eventhough Thanos has superhuman powers alot of his success comes from his intelliegnce and not just his powers. If Thanos was a dumbass he would have no where near the sucess he has had.

Thanos should be multiversal because....He has actually been a multiversal threat. Not just speculate if he could be. He has done it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Multiversal
Universal
Intergalactic
Global
International to street

Suggesting...
Multiversal
Universal
Galactic
Global
City

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thanos should be multiversal because....He has actually been a multiversal threat. Not just speculate if he could be. He has done it.

What he actually took other more than one universe?

Originally posted by Mindship
Isn't Universal kinda the same as Intergalactic?

No intergalactic involves ****ing up Kree, Skrulls etc but no abstracts. Uiniversal means taking over the whole uinverse like Thanos did or Dr Doom almost did by taking Beyonders power.

Originally posted by Mindship

Aren't Global and International sorta the same thing?

No Kingpin for example could be a threat in his city and could then possibly try to assainate some foriegn gangsters and such. Global is what Kang did, actually take over the whole world.

Originally posted by Mindship

Suggesting...
Multiversal
Universal
Galactic
Global
City

Well we'll see how it goes.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What he actually took other more than one universe?

With THOI he did.
Also with the IG. 616 Eternity is multiversal and he beat him.
If he wanted to he could have taken over more universes but he just wanted to take over one.
From what he has shown he is defiantly a Multiversal threat.

Originally posted by Inhuman
With THOI he did.
Also with the IG. 616 Eternity is multiversal and he beat him.
If he wanted to he could have taken over more universes but he just wanted to take over one.
From what he has shown he is defiantly a Multiversal threat.

Ok ill put it to vote tommorrow.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No intergalactic involves ****ing up Kree, Skrulls etc but no abstracts. Uiniversal means taking over the whole uinverse like Thanos did or Dr Doom almost did by taking Beyonders power.

No Kingpin for example could be a threat in his city and could then possibly try to assainate some foriegn gangsters and such. Global is what Kang did, actually take over the whole world.

I don't get it. Would Hal Jordan be multiversal based on what he pulled off in Zero Hour?

This is why I asked what the criteria was for placement on the different tiers and it's still fuzzy IMO. I don't see how it's possible to say Monarch is as smart and resourceful as Braniac or Metron or that Sinestro is above Tony Stark and the Supreme Intelligence. Not unless you're taking their power level into account. Batman taking over the whole universe? The whole universe? Even Batman 1 Million spent most of his time doing planetary stuff on Pluto.

I'm not trying to be a downer or anything because I'd really like to help with the tier but it just seems confusing to me.

Originally posted by Val
Batman taking over the whole universe? [b]The whole universe? Even Batman 1 Million spent most of his time doing planetary stuff on Pluto. [/B]

I don't think taking over the universe is the idea behind the prep tier ranking.

Originally posted by batdude123
I don't think [b]taking over the universe is the idea behind the prep tier ranking. [/B]

Originally posted by Val
It doesn't really matter. Batman is a street level hero for a reason. He goes beyond that with his JLA work but it's a pretty large stretch to say he's going to affect the whole damn universe.

What a lousy argument. 🙁 Being "street level" doesn't have a God damn thing to do with this. I can just as easily say that Reed Richards is "mid tier" for a reason, and that he can't affect the universe either.

He's prepped for universal occurrences before, which is what this is based on.

And for that matter, you're okay with Lex being at that level, but not Batman? WTF?

Originally posted by batdude123
What a lousy argument. 🙁 Being "street level" doesn't have a God damn thing to do with this. I can just as easily say that Reed Richards is "mid tier" for a reason, and that he can't affect the universe either.

Originally posted by batdude123
He's prepped for universal occurrences before, which is what this is based on.

Originally posted by batdude123
And for that matter, you're okay with Lex being at that level, but not Batman? WTF?

If you need to know, I think Lex being universal is pretty absurd too. He isn't that damn smart.

Originally posted by Val
Except Reed has affected the universe and abstract forces before, multiple times, with his own technology. Galactus might as well be his ho.

Really now? Outside of alternate versions of Reed Richards, what universal threat has he prepped for with his own technology?

Originally posted by Val
When? Every time people start up on their whole, "Batman: Mangod of Prep" spiel, they bring up instances where he beat Superman and the JLA or whatnot.

The Star conqueror's invasion during the Strength in Numbers arc. They roamed around the universe consuming multiple resources and killing races. So powerful were they, that Sandman had to intervene and help the JLA.

It was Batman who studied their alien technology and figured out how to get rid of them.

That's just one example.

Originally posted by Val
If you need to know, I think Lex being universal is pretty absurd too. He isn't that damn smart.

Me neither. And I didn't ignore your Sinestro and Monarch examples. If you noticed, I responded to the Monarch debacle a page ago.

Originally posted by batdude123
Really now? Outside of [b]alternate versions of Reed Richards, what universal threat has he prepped for with his own technology?

The Star conqueror's invasion during the Strength in Numbers arc. They roamed around the universe consuming multiple resources and killing races. So powerful were they, that Sandman had to intervene and help the JLA.

It was Batman who studied their alien technology and figured out how to get rid of them.

That's just one example.[/B]

Two, that sounds a lot like Intergalactic (Threat to Skrull, Kree, Shi'ar and other races)

Originally posted by batdude123
Me neither. And I didn't ignore your Sinestro and Monarch examples. If you noticed, I responded to the Monarch debacle a page ago.

Originally posted by Val
Well for one, Reed's Abraxas feat steamrolls that one.

The Ultimate Nullifier was used to take down Abraxas.

Not exactly his own technology. uhuh

Originally posted by Val
Two, that sounds a lot like Intergalactic (Threat to Skrull, Kree, Shi'ar and other races)

IIRC, Sandman said that the Star Conquerors would eventually take over this reality (i.e. the universe), and then others (namely the "Dream World"😉 if they weren't stopped. Besides, would an aspect of the Endless really be needed if it were intergalactic? biscuits

Oh, and just to play semantics, the Shi'ar Empire spans across multiple galaxies. Therefore, it wouldn't be intergalactic, now would it?

haermm2

Originally posted by Val
I know that. Funny thing is you have the same problem with the list I do. Is there any reason why you're arguing?

ermmhappy

How did DS and Thanos drop down for no reason?

This list is bunk.