Kain vs Team Supreme

From what I've known, Inspire Hate has crappy record against non-humans. With Pyron I doubt he'd know WTF hate is, so that spell is moot against him. Your strategy about using Pyron to do Kain's bidding is quite lame, just because he was pwned by a vampire doesn't mean that he'll instantly become Kain's b*tch.

Also, BT darling, I'm surprised still not hearing your usual yelling about "Super Sparda form is teh gameplay". In fact, it becomes quite stupid.

BTW, by your logic that information from developers>>>>>>everything, Dante in DMC4 was officially confirmed being the most powerful demonic entinty in his universe. But that's just for fun, darling.

Originally posted by Rewmac
First, use spell check, second try to use intelligence, facts and knowledge. Water can destroy Kain but the one who possesses far greater powers than Kain just coz he is an amped up vampire doesn't mean he can't die. Pyron, Dante and even Kratos with all their powers alone can beat him. In a team Kain gets destroyed. Dante's ice weapon the Cerberus from DMC 3 would kill Kain since ice melts into water and that is deadly to vampire. Or Dante just could use the Sparda form from DMC 2 and one shot Kain since that transformation one shots boss characters and in Sparda form he is invulnerable. I know that you won't understand my logic, why would you, a low intellect fanboy listen to others...

Sparda form can in-game one shot bosses and turn invsicible, theres no canon source that states it is truly invulralbe and one shotting bosses in DMC is not the same as one shotting kain, especially if its anything like the slow dragon attack he uses on Mundus

you have no logic, the fact you think ice melting on kain will get rid of him is bad enough, worse whne you think Dante will even hit kain with Cerberus before Kain rips him down. fail

Originally posted by Terryc250
lol no its because kain has never any powerful feats, or have any powers he can do instantly, ppl overrated kain way too much.

Anyway, so what makes kain more powerful? except for his "evolution" which is pretty much bs, becuase he hasnt got any stronger in the last thousands of years from BO to defiance

any powers he can do instantly, nobody in this matchup has powers they can do instantly, kains spells in BO are almost all instant and all of kains powers dont usually take more than a second, show me one character in this matchup who can do an attack "instantly" please that would make a diffrence

what makes him more powerful? and jesus Terry your terrible, he has not grown stronger? it even says in Soul reaver kain has evolved, your truly ridiculous trying to debate against kain, you really are

Originally posted by Rewmac
Not people just this guy.

child, debate, not spite...also please list your LOK knowledge obviously barely anything taking into account your last pathetic post

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
From what I've known, Inspire Hate has crappy record against non-humans. With Pyron I doubt he'd know WTF hate is, so that spell is moot against him. Your strategy about using Pyron to do Kain's bidding is quite lame, just because he was pwned by a vampire doesn't mean that he'll instantly become Kain's b*tch.

Also, BT darling, I'm surprised still not hearing your usual yelling about "Super Sparda form is teh gameplay". In fact, it becomes quite stupid.

BTW, by your logic that information from developers>>>>>>everything, Dante in DMC4 was officially confirmed being the most powerful demonic entinty in his universe. But that's just for fun, darling.

crappy record? when exactley......its just a spell that does it, and wether Pyron does or not and i think he does considering he has battled many beings who likely know hate and according to debates with V2D, Pyron scans planets of information, so he would know. How is it lame? he wont have a choice in the matter, i dont see your line of thinking, you thought that Kain was going to get Pyron to do it without forcing him? no, i mean hes going to possess pyron through soul wrack and use Pyron

how has it become stupid when Super sparda being completly invulerable and one hitting bosses is gameplay, one hitting bosses in gameplay has to be gameplay....hes never been invulerable in sparda form outside of the game and no logic tells us he must be otherwise he wouldnt walk around as a human, you would say "dante has more fun as a human" but hes not that arrogent, not in DMC2 he is much more mature there, and he would not fight despair embodied without super sparda in canon if he could easily beat it with..none of it adds up to the canon

so what? in his universe, who is he matched against exactley, i mean hell Mundus was considered a high demon king and look at him, hes a lame being...the big Belial or however you say his name, the four legged giant thing in DMC 4 looks much cooler and more powerful

Facts...Hmmm...Raziel was resurrected by Elderwood but nevermind. Kain can be killed by water as was stated over thousands of times in the various game. You call everybody here a fanboy, but you are the one who tries to tell everyone that Kain is invicible and nobody can beat him...Do you even know the story behind the games and haracters you mentioned I doubt it since you completely ignore the facts, boy.

And Belial got tooled, mocked and owned. In fact, it's stated that Dante is BORED in DMC4 since none of the demons he fights there is on his level. So he mocks and taunts any enemy that gets into his way.
Pyron knows what hate is...theoretically, for Inspire Hate being used you'll need someone who can actually experience it, not a being like Pyron who is devoid of any emotions. Information that something exists=\=actually experiencing it. Please stop being...like that.

As for human\demonic form, human form is Dante's natural form, and transformation requires conscious effort to happen. In the fight with Mundus, which was the FIRST time he transformed into high demonic form, he got knocked down which forced him to transform into human- he wasn't ready psychologically for a beating (remeber the cutscene before that, darling- he starts doing anything good like deflecting spells with his eyes only when he gets pissed off, so mantaining demonic form takes a conscious effort) And after all, Dante DID manage to beat Despair Embodied without his demonic form.
No fun is not an argument. In fact, being in human form in 90% of cutscenes doesn't make Dante a weakling. If anything, pwning demons of all sorts and powerlevels like that implies that he is a powerhouse indeed.
But CIS and gameplay would be an explanation. CIS (along with no killing humans needlessly policy shown in anime and novels) is the thing that he doesn't want to identify himself with the bastards that killed his parents- same reason Batman doesn't use guns.
CIS+conscious effort to stay in demonic form. That thread removes that "problem" stating unlimited DT for Dante, so what?

Originally posted by Rewmac
Facts...Hmmm...Raziel was resurrected by Elderwood but nevermind. Kain can be killed by water as was stated over thousands of times in the various game. You call everybody here a fanboy, but you are the one who tries to tell everyone that Kain is invicible and nobody can beat him...Do you even know the story behind the games and haracters you mentioned I doubt it since you completely ignore the facts, boy.

..lol your like an angry toddler, also cute with your "boy" comment, unfortunatley ime not acting as foolishly as you are

Raziel was, but it took ages for him to die, and as it stated Water hurts vampires, but as shown by Raziel, takes ages and ages to kill them

i call a lot of peopel fanboys, not everyone, what BS again, Kain cannot die, he can be beaten for sure, probably by loads and loads of characters but his scion status does not allow him to die, but in this match he only gets resurrected once.

What games? LOK ofc, DMC? yes played all the games from 1-3, God of war, completed 1 and 2 on highest difficulty settings..i know many of the characters, and none of them come close to Kains options in this battle, especially the lower ones like Kratos

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And Belial got tooled, mocked and owned. In fact, it's stated that Dante is BORED in DMC4 since none of the demons he fights there is on his level. So he mocks and taunts any enemy that gets into his way.
Pyron knows what hate is...theoretically, for Inspire Hate being used you'll need someone who can actually experience it, not a being like Pyron who is devoid of any emotions. Information that something exists=\=actually experiencing it. Please stop being...like that.

As for human\demonic form, human form is Dante's natural form, and transformation requires conscious effort to happen. In the fight with Mundus, which was the FIRST time he transformed into high demonic form, he got knocked down which forced him to transform into human- he wasn't ready psychologically for a beating (remeber the cutscene before that, darling- he starts doing anything good like deflecting spells with his eyes only when he gets pissed off, so mantaining demonic form takes a conscious effort) And after all, Dante DID manage to beat Despair Embodied without his demonic form.
No fun is not an argument. In fact, being in human form in 90% of cutscenes doesn't make Dante a weakling. If anything, pwning demons of all sorts and powerlevels like that implies that he is a powerhouse indeed.
But CIS and gameplay would be an explanation. CIS (along with no killing humans needlessly policy shown in anime and novels) is the thing that he doesn't want to identify himself with the bastards that killed his parents- same reason Batman doesn't use guns.
CIS+conscious effort to stay in demonic form. That thread removes that "problem" stating unlimited DT for Dante, so what?

what do you mean emotionless, he seems like he can show emotions here and then in a lot of his ending scenes and things he says, it shows he has arrogence to a degree, why do you think pyron is emotionless considering he used to be a mortal warrior on Hellstorm or whatever his planet was called, he knows and likely feels hate considering he used to be a warrior, the spell "inspires" the hate, and the reaver version inspires conflict all together since its the conflict emblem. What do you mean stop being like that, like what exactley?

true he beat Despair without it, but if he could constantly use it or it was truly in-canon invuleralbe and could one shot anything he would of done with ease, or used it then and there, he did not however. Unlimtied DT for dante, but not the gameplay elements of his invulerability and one hit status, he could still unlikely not hit dimentional teleporting kain and the guy has never shown resistence to mind powers as far as i remember, no one has directly so far tried to get his brain for themselves so he may be susceptable to mind control. TK is another way of defeating Dante but he is not in this equation because you cant compare Dante to Pyron who Kain will be possessing to take out most of the team, even Jedah perhaps without his soul powers will be vulerable.

Just one thing...

flol

Originally posted by Rewmac
Just one thing...

flol

Estacado clone hm or are you Estacado?

troll with irrelevent rubbish when your argument is smashed into dust.."shrug"

Originally posted by Burning thought
Estacado clone hm or are you Estacado?

I troll with irrelevent rubbish when my argument is smashed into dust.."shrug"

good one chuck 😬

but i doubt you could outroll Estacado if your not him, hell come on here and have a few smilies AND maybe a fail image........no argument ofc

I said Sephs in here.

Originally posted by Burning thought
good one chuck 😬

but i doubt you could outroll Estacado if your not him, hell come on here and have a few smilies AND maybe a fail image........no argument ofc

Originally posted by Furion
I said Sephs in here.

Originally posted by Burning thought

what makes him more powerful? and jesus Terry your terrible, he has not grown stronger? it even says in Soul reaver kain has evolved, your truly ridiculous trying to debate against kain, you really are

Edit.

Nevermind Kain will just possess a galaxy sized being with ease and stomp team one........crylaugh

Originally posted by Tenfrente
All powers Kain, but without his soul suck ability and with 1 ressurection, vs all powers Dante with unlimited Devil Trigger, all powers Ryubusa, Raziel (without soul suck), all powers Jedah (without soul suck) and Pyron, all powers Sephiroth and all powers Kratos.

Please do not misconstrue this as spite, I have not played through the LOK series fully, and I want to see how powerful he is.

I say Kain wins just because of the g@y @$$ name you gave the team.

Originally posted by Furion
I said Sephs in here.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Spellcheck, and come up with something new. He is indeed. If he has all his abilities he is going to be tough to kill...The team is simply too strong.

lawlz no, you come up with something at all, your debate is in ruins and all 3 of you together trying to beat me in this thread has become your downfall since now your scrapping for all you can get since youve got no argument

Originally posted by Terryc250
Usually in a debate this is when ur suppose to provide evidence of his evolution, but knwoing you, you never do, so how has kain "evolved"? He cant even use his spells from BO anymore.

i dont know how, but you said he has not become stronger, and it clearly states he has evolved in soulreaver 1, if you cant even find the soul reaver intro vid, then theres no point in debating with someone who will not even bother looking for respect threads, thats what their there for really. use them please i know the soul reaver intro must be in there, its a good video and i like it, so its likely in there

Originally posted by Estacado
Edit.

Nevermind Kain will just possess a galaxy sized being with ease and stomp team one........crylaugh

Galaxy sized? when please, see now it seems you dont have even the slightest knowledge on pyron perhaps? hes at best the size of the sun, nothing more and furthermore when has size added up to not being able to be possesed? thats BS and broken logic all over.....but yes, he does stomp team 1, its not much of a team even with kains limitations

Originally posted by Burning thought
..lol your like an angry toddler, also cute with your "boy" comment, unfortunatley ime not acting as foolishly as you are

Raziel was, but it took ages for him to die, and as it stated Water hurts vampires, but as shown by Raziel, takes ages and ages to kill them

i call a lot of peopel fanboys, not everyone, what BS again, Kain cannot die, he can be beaten for sure, probably by loads and loads of characters but his scion status does not allow him to die, but in this match he only gets resurrected once.

What games? LOK ofc, DMC? yes played all the games from 1-3, God of war, completed 1 and 2 on highest difficulty settings..i know many of the characters, and none of them come close to Kains options in this battle, especially the lower ones like Kratos

what do you mean emotionless, he seems like he can show emotions here and then in a lot of his ending scenes and things he says, it shows he has arrogence to a degree, why do you think pyron is emotionless considering he used to be a mortal warrior on Hellstorm or whatever his planet was called, he knows and likely feels hate considering he used to be a warrior, the spell "inspires" the hate, and the reaver version inspires conflict all together since its the conflict emblem. What do you mean stop being like that, like what exactley?

true he beat Despair without it, but if he could constantly use it or it was truly in-canon invuleralbe and could one shot anything he would of done with ease, or used it then and there, he did not however. Unlimtied DT for dante, but not the gameplay elements of his invulerability and one hit status, he could still unlikely not hit dimentional teleporting kain and the guy has never shown resistence to mind powers as far as i remember, no one has directly so far tried to get his brain for themselves so he may be susceptable to mind control. TK is another way of defeating Dante but he is not in this equation because you cant compare Dante to Pyron who Kain will be possessing to take out most of the team, even Jedah perhaps without his soul powers will be vulerable.

Fail in the part about hypnosis- was tried on him at least twice- in DMC3 manga and by Nevan in third game, and this is YOUNG Dante, not full powered one.
Thw part about being reluctant to DT being CIS also comes from that- if you remember, he RESISTED it and it only took Vergil to stomp him to dust. In fact in the end of scene with Agnus in DMC4 Dante clearly demonstrates his attitude to demonic legacy and says that being human is sometimes better than being demon- in fact fully powered Dante in DMC2 and DMC4 (BTW, those games have shown us the flaw of making ones about uber powered characters, so to make gameplay more interesting there were used "spotlight" characters less powerful than our handsome whitehaired high demonic lord-respectively Nero and Lucia).
And as for "using his advantages"...Batman can take gun any time, go and shoot Joker in the head thus ending that menace...oh, wait, he can't because of CIS on his part. In fact Dante is a little better than Bats- Batman NEVER uses guns (even if using those provides him strategical advantage, mind you); Dante SOMETIMES uses the advantages of his demonic form- when he can't manage without that, that's the "last hope ability" for him.

BTW, if using logical extensions of powers is true, then Dante can always f*ck up probabilities regarding Kain with help of Pandora Box and see what happens (in game that ability wasn't fully developed, despite promiced, but it still has Omen move with said effect).

@Burning thought : The funny part is everyone in this thread thinks your logic fails but you keep coming up with bullcrap.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Fail in the part about hypnosis- was tried on him at least twice- in DMC3 manga and by Nevan in third game, and this is YOUNG Dante, not full powered one.
Thw part about being reluctant to DT being CIS also comes from that- if you remember, he RESISTED it and it only took Vergil to stomp him to dust. In fact in the end of scene with Agnus in DMC4 Dante clearly demonstrates his attitude to demonic legacy and says that being human is sometimes better than being demon- in fact fully powered Dante in DMC2 and DMC4 (BTW, those games have shown us the flaw of making ones about uber powered characters, so to make gameplay more interesting there were used "spotlight" characters less powerful than our handsome whitehaired high demonic lord-respectively Nero and Lucia).
And as for "using his advantages"...Batman can take gun any time, go and shoot Joker in the head thus ending that menace...oh, wait, he can't because of CIS on his part. In fact Dante is a little better than Bats- Batman NEVER uses guns (even if using those provides him strategical advantage, mind you); Dante SOMETIMES uses the advantages of his demonic form- when he can't manage without that, that's the "last hope ability" for him.

BTW, if using logical extensions of powers is true, then Dante can always f*ck up probabilities regarding Kain with help of Pandora Box and see what happens (in game that ability wasn't fully developed, despite promiced, but it still has Omen move with said effect).

fiar enough, he escapes Nevans "hynosis" but was she even using Hypnosis, she was trying to seduce i remember that, but was she using mind powers to tap into his brain, and ive not read the mangas so id need to see it please if you can, and of what kind of mind attack it may be

can you show me the logic behind the pandoras box thing please, does it do anything other than give dante various weapons he may need and make enemies shoot eachother? what does it do, can you show me please

as much as all this is nice, what possible diffrence will Dante make in this battle? when pyron is controlled or if Kain used inspire hate if he did not want to possess anyone, how is the team going to survive an enormous sun sized entity, there is nothing Kratos, Seph, Dante mosto f them could even do to Pyron imo, and Jedah even though more powerful in theory to Pyron, is without soul powers so in stats, has he any non soul feats that can match Pyrons power?

Originally posted by Rewmac
@Burning thought : The funny part is everyone in this thread thinks your logic fails but you keep coming up with bullcrap.

so...if a bunch of kids thought Einsteins theories were cr@p, are they? ofc not, he was brillaint, but thats a example of where a group of people who know nothing and dont have an argument against something can be wrong, this is not a democracy, this website is not likened to a group of stupid Americans who vote in stupid presidents just because they like them more, if you dont have an argument, then you all fail, simple.....until you have a good argument you all fail and your nothing but trolls, because your argument is gone, you troll because you dont like it and cannot admit your failure, at least Debel has arguments, you and Escadado are trolling with rubbish and have no argument since i crushed all the last ones and shed light on the fact you both know next to nothing on LOK and perhaps even the characters your debating for

Remember that nice Tarot spell of Kain? Omen power of Pandora box does just the same, except it's not limited to 5 enemies at the time. Flash- and they're dead. Sounds nice. Though you would counter that by Kain being the scion of balance or whatever, but OUTSIDE of Nosgoth it doesn't matter.

And once again, it's not Pyron vs his teammates with Kain taking a nap inside Mercury-sized Pyron's arsehole while he does the job for him, I suppose. You have NO PROOF Inspire Hate would affect Pyron. Making lesser enemies fight each other- wowz, what a great unbeatable power.

In manga he attends the party with some vampires present, one of them tries to subdue Dante to make him awaken his demonic side. Dante shrugs it off.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t463635.html
See the end of the page.

And do you want Nevan specially say to Dante "Now I'm using my high level vampire\succubus powers to make you my sex slave, my whitehaired sweet boy"? She TRIES to use that on Dante and after sees that it has no effect on him (BTW, anything with Dante vs succubi is funny- their hypnosis fails on him, but he has fun from watching them trying and basically watching free porn) she fights him. Once again, a vampire, a high level one, trying to manipulate basic aspects of human nature (in that case it's love, not hate, through, but that's manipulation of basic emotions).

Also even from manual description of the Inspire Hate it's seen that it amplifies the feeeling that naturally exists, blowing the most minor sparks into the mortal hatred. You may counter that it works on long term comrades- but minor annoyance exists even between those, Kain just amps the existing feeling.
Nevan's succubus powers work the same way. She uses it to amplify whatever feelings men have towards her to the great love, consuming their minds. While natural looks of Nevan have some effect on Dante (see the moment with pants), succubus' emotion manip FAILS. Utterly.