Kain vs Team Supreme

Originally posted by Furion
Compared to Seph, It's slow. Plus if Kain teleported next to Seph he could either:
Teleport away
Stick his sword through Kain's head.
But that would be if Kain went after Seph.

youve not seen it, prove youve seen it first then you can say its slow, you wouldnt even know, and BS, he wouldnt teleport away or stick his sword, i told you hed teleport while his 10 metre time power was on, it follows him where he goes, so it would be right next to sephiroth, kain would w8 for 5 seconds with a cruel smile on his face while looking at Seph...then seph will be blasted to pieces with a reaver slash

but exactley, kain is not going after Seph at all....he does not have to when he can use the rest of Sephs team to destroy seph

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Pretty much the same can be said about Dante, plus Dante thinks faster than Kain (that doesn't equal being smarter than Kain, darling) and he can use his time manipulation\tactical teleportation.
Kain is a slug compared to both Dante and Seph, probably Ryu (but he's the weakest there).

There we go. Outruns and catches his sword accelerated by bullet to Max speed (thus the friction "burning" aura appears).
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Some evasive stuff with teleportation as well as some nice cutting feats. See, the flying guy thinks he swings his sword as fast as Kain- he's mistaken as the time needed for him to turn around and cut Dante's head off is AGES for our whitehaired beauty.
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I won't post Despair Embodied feat. What's funny is that both Despair Embodied and previously mentioned things are FASTER than Dante (even DTd\SDTd one) in gameplay.
Wait, I guess I should post.
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Also Royakl Guard absorbs not only punches but blasts as well, Medusa gaze is slow as ass and easy to evade...

can you show me him "thinking" faster than kain, what makes you think he will think faster by enough to beat kain from moving his hand, unlikely story

show me him moving bullet speed by himself please, first hes falling throughout the whole of the first video, adding to his momentum, weight as he falls, his running is not exactley making a diffrence as we see hes going at the same falling speed even when spinning, then we see him shoot his sword, i thought you were showing me him moving bullet speed, hes going fast but hes helped by the fact hes falling anyway, whats the speed feat exactley, yes the sword is going hot, first it was shot and by the time its falling its weight is likely getting incredibly high as well as well as the friction build up, but thats not speed unless Dante is falling during this entire fight again kain 🙄

second video, very impressive blade slash, and the game looks very good, i like DMC games and this looks a very good addition, i wonder do you get to play as Dante or is it mostly only Nero? or a bit of each?

but anyway onto the video, i dont see the teleportation, he does not teleport anywhere by the looks of it, he just jumps a lot and floats

Medusa gaze is not slow, the flash version is basically instant, Kratos would just have to aim, if this is God Kratos, none of these apart from jedah and pyron could take God Kratos quickly before his Medusas flash turns them to stone, if the head of Euryale gets larger with Kratos the same as his blades do then it would be able to turn all 3 of the smaller combatants to stone in a flash

Darling, he was actually running down the wall, not falling- he reaches his sword (accelerated one) while RUNNING down the tower. I'm watching that video right now and he RUNS there, though he resorts to a free fall after the bird things are finished off (and gets eaten while in free fall). Remember nice "Sky Star" move from Trickster style, darling?

Second video- the moment when some guy (no slouch himself) wants to hit Dante with the sword, only to find that Dante has disappeared out of harm's way and did it fast enough to appear with the Rebellion properly placed on his back and all. And where did he float? He is standing on Rebellion blade while talking with Sanctus- he can't fly in human form (though Lucifer weapon forms metal wings for him to fly even in human form).
Off topic- as for the game, it's 13 missions as Nero and 7 ones as Dante.

Now back to reaction speed feats.
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Reacts fast enough to block Lady's bullets with his own shots- quite a feat, I should say.
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That might be more of an aim feat but that's still impressive as he alters the trajectory of sword with his shots while in midair.
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This one is funny. Dante ALLOWS Berial to run into him only to get him shot the moment he approaches him. Also minor resistance to fire and those metal wings from Lucifer.

In fact, the first feat shown requires very good reaction speed. More minor "altering the trajectory of things in midair".

The snooker ball thing is nice, as it shows him calculating the trajectory of marble (or something, but it isn't wooden) balls to make them hit all the demons with enough force to KO them.

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The demons might be weaklings, but...still impressive reaction speed. While Kain has never done anything impressive in that department.

And here's the very surfing on rocket launcher thing that also requires very good reaction speed.
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Originally posted by Burning thought
but exactley, kain is not going after Seph at all....he does not have to when he can use the rest of Sephs team to destroy sephflash

Originally posted by Furion
K, Kain possesses Pyron, Seph summons Nega-Lifestream, Nega-Lifestream goes into Pyron, Seph possess Pyron, Seph beats the crap outta Kain. 🙂

Exactly, if Pyron is weak to magic (which he is), why bother using him against a being who can easily override Kain's mind control🙂
As for your second variant, I've shown that Dante is most likely immune to magical-caused emotion amplifying which Inspire Hate is, no matter how you'll cut it.
As for Sephiroth and Inspire Hate, I suppose he has some experience with those types of attacks as well. But I'll leave the Seph part to Furion, as he's the Sephiroth's advocate there.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Darling, he was actually running down the wall, not falling- he reaches his sword (accelerated one) while RUNNING down the tower. I'm watching that video right now and he RUNS there, though he resorts to a free fall after the bird things are finished off (and gets eaten while in free fall). Remember nice "Sky Star" move from Trickster style, darling?

Second video- the moment when some guy (no slouch himself) wants to hit Dante with the sword, only to find that Dante has disappeared out of harm's way and did it fast enough to appear with the Rebellion properly placed on his back and all. And where did he float? He is standing on Rebellion blade while talking with Sanctus- he can't fly in human form (though Lucifer weapon forms metal wings for him to fly even in human form).
Off topic- as for the game, it's 13 missions as Nero and 7 ones as Dante.

Now back to reaction speed feats.
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Reacts fast enough to block Lady's bullets with his own shots- quite a feat, I should say.
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That might be more of an aim feat but that's still impressive as he alters the trajectory of sword with his shots while in midair.
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This one is funny. Dante ALLOWS Berial to run into him only to get him shot the moment he approaches him. Also minor resistance to fire and those metal wings from Lucifer.

Its impossible to just run down a wall without falling, he was falling "darling" and his feet running were simpling speeding the process, we can see his falling when he stops running, hes falling throughout most of it

that was not neccerily teleport, Dante just moves too fast for the guy, the way Dante comes down afterwards points to it not being teleportation.

blocking ladies bullets, fair enough i suppose, not a bad feat, if they were at longer range it would be better but thats not bad.

The surfing on the Rocket feat is not really reaction, its more balance and agility

Originally posted by Furion
K, Kain possesses Pyron, Seph summons Nega-Lifestream, Nega-Lifestream goes into Pyron, Seph possess Pyron, Seph beats the crap outta Kain. 🙂

how will Negative lifestream do anything to pyron, its a tiny planate sized force anyway....Pyron one hits Seph

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Exactly, if Pyron is weak to magic (which he is), why bother using him against a being who can easily override Kain's mind control🙂
As for your second variant, I've shown that Dante is most likely immune to magical-caused emotion amplifying which Inspire Hate is, no matter how you'll cut it.
As for Sephiroth and Inspire Hate, I suppose he has some experience with those types of attacks as well. But I'll leave the Seph part to Furion, as he's the Sephiroth's advocate there.

The negative lifestream is a tiny speck on pyron...what being who can easily overide kains mind control? also what mind control?

how so? emotion amplifying? its just a magic attack that makes you hate someone full stop, its not a seduction effect like a succubus would use...
but he does not, ive never seen him work against something that would inspire him through magic to do something, Sephiroth is not a part of this fight tbh

Prove it couldn't do anything to Pyron. Kain is a tiny fleck compared to Pyron but he can possess Pyron? Nega-Lifestream is basically a lot of energy with J-Cells mixed to corrupt that energy. Pyron absorbs energy. He absorbs Nega-Lifestream then Seph possesses PYron and boots Kain out of Pyron's head.

Pyron's weak against magic, since when? Losing to Dimitri doesn't necessarily mean he's weak against magic.

Dante can't teleport?haermm
Then wtf is he doing when he is using the trickster style?

Moving really fast. 😬

Originally posted by Classic NES
Moving really fast. 😬

Originally posted by Estacado
Have you ever played DMC 4 or 3?
He is clearly teleporting just like Vergil.😐

It looks like basic generic speed done in most japanese games to me. Infact, if they could actually teleport, why would he travel by foot? Why not teleport like the Hell Vanguard did when Dante defeated him?

Air Trick from Trickster style=teleporting next to enemy.
DMC4- Darkslayer style based on teleportation, and please watch that Saviour vid carefully- he's clearly either teleported from Rebellion blade he was standing on (most likely from how it looks), or just moved away extremely fast.

And free fall DID contribute something to that bullet feat, but honestly, speed of bullet>>>speed of free fall, and speed of reentry Dante achieves in that video also>>>speed of free fall.

Originally posted by Classic NES
It looks like basic generic speed done in most japanese games to me. Infact, if he could actually teleport, why would he travel by foot? Why not teleport like the Hell Vanguard did when Dante defeated him?

Dante has mastered normal teleportation only in 4th game (unlike Vergil he's more about moving extremely fast than teleporting), Air Trick from DMC3 was a short range tactical one, a bit like one Kain has with his Dimension Reaver.
And puh-lease don't show moving a few miles as a beam of energy an example of zomg powerful teleportation from Kain, freakin' Trish has replicated that feat with lightning in DMC1 (can post video if you wish).

Originally posted by Estacado
Vergil can teleport then why does he travel by foot?

You tell me, since I never claimed it was teleportation.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Air Trick from Trickster style=teleporting next to enemy.
DMC4- Darkslayer style based on teleportation, and please watch that Saviour vid carefully- he's clearly either teleported from Rebellion blade he was standing on (most likely from how it looks), or just moved away extremely fast.

I beleive it's the later, since Teleportation is much more disticnt. I really do not see any properties that are usually associated with Teleportation in Dante/Vergils movements E.G. Dematerializing and/or Instantaneous or near instantaneous travel.

All, I see is a movement followed by a blur. . .

Originally posted by Classic NES
You tell me, since I never claimed it was teleportation.

I beleive it's the later, since Teleportation is much more disticnt. I really do not see any properties that are usually associated with Teleportation in Dante/Vergils movements E.G. Dematerializing and/or Instantaneous or near instantaneous travel.

All, I see is a movement followed by a blur. . .

Originally posted by Estacado
Then play DMC 3 SE. 😐

Already have. . .😬

For example, K's "teleportation" aka Blackout isn't instanteous point to point and is just a speedup as you can see that black afterimage and all, that's what you're meaning, Classic NES. Darkslayer style is a teleportation without afterimages and all that shizzle- to benefit our Dantizzle.

Well, not all teleportations have after images. The reason why I say this is because Dante's movements are very similar to those found in Dragonball or Street fighter. The later franchise being the one with the most influence to modern DMC games. Since both are owned by the same company.