Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Because an Elite can physically harm him, and Raiden's much stronger than Master Chief or an Elite, and his strikes are much faster, and his sword is a much better melee weapon than any in Halo short of the Energy Sword or Gravity Hammer.
Since when? Elites are physically stronger or at the ;east equal to SPARTAN's... so I don't understand your point. And I'd like to see this lifting of a metal gear before I go any further.
its true go to you tube and look up grey fox death or something like that and you will see metal gear going to step on snake and gf jump in and stop it, but i think he meant gf not raiden, raiden basicly became the new gf, and i agree that gf is stronger than both spartains and elites, but there arent any set guidlines for how stron gf is as far as i know so there really is no way of knowing, but im going to research taht and get back with you
Originally posted by niduin
its true go to you tube and look up grey fox death or something like that and you will see metal gear going to step on snake and gf jump in and stop it, but i think he meant gf not raiden, raiden basicly became the new gf, and i agree that gf is stronger than both spartains and elites, but there arent any set guidlines for how stron gf is as far as i know so there really is no way of knowing, but im going to research taht and get back with you
he stopped it yes but he was struggling, and liquid was not applying full force, once he did GF was forced to move. and blaxicon said the word "lift" which he did not do.
chief can effortlessly flip 66 ton tanks, and this probably isn't his limit either. his strength is supported by the books. your argument fails horribly.
Originally posted by Final BlaxicanBecause he can hold back Metal Gear REX, if only temporarily, and Metal Gear REX is huge, weighing in at at least 200 tons, probably more.
Since when? Elites are physically stronger or at the ;east equal to SPARTAN's... so I don't understand your point. And I'd like to see this lifting of a metal gear before I go any further.
I'll try to find the vid.
Originally posted by sigma-ct42
he stopped it yes but he was struggling, and liquid was not applying full force, once he did GF was forced to move. and blaxicon said the word "lift" which he did not do.chief can effortlessly flip 66 ton tanks, and this probably isn't his limit either. his strength is supported by the books. your argument fails horribly.
ok first of all the only reson he went to stop the metal gear was to protect snake and snake was out of the way when he went for the next stomp so there was no reson for him to be there, so we dont know if he could have stoped the second, secondly the first stop was most of the weight it doesnt matter if he put all he could into it its still a huge amount of weight. and pluss metal gear rex is way more than 66 tons, i mean a normal tank in our military is about 50 tons and rex is way bigger than any tank we have, the leg alone must be 70 tons, and also he wasnt strugling that much, he was calm enought to make some remarks to snake with no strungle, but that isnt even the argument the argument is, can grey fox damage mc after the shield is down, and i say HELL YES ok the armor might be able to withstand a re-entry or whatever but you are saying blunt forces this is a super sharp super heated blade made to cut thru anything of couse he can hit master cheif might take some extra force but he could do it
and also he wasnt strugling that much
yes he was there's so much strain in his voice it's impossible to miss.
ok first of all the only reson he went to stop the metal gear was to protect snake and snake was out of the way when he went for the next stomp so there was no reson for him to be there
yea...i know? how is that even relevant...?
so we dont know if he could have stoped the second
yes we do. if he's as strong as you claim. why didn't he just tip the thing over by throwing it off balance? he moved. if he knew he could stop it he would've done so.
the first stop was most of the weight
um the first time he wasn't stomping...he was walking toward snake to stomp on him...
can grey fox damage mc after the shield is down, and i say HELL YES ok the armor might be able to withstand a re-entry or whatever but you are saying blunt forces this is a super sharp super heated blade made to cut thru anything of couse he can hit master cheif might take some extra force but he could do it
you really don't understand do you? let me try to explain.
atmospheric re-entry isn't a "blunt" force. the dangers of atmospheric re-entry is aerodynamic heating. which is the passing of a object through fluid such as air producing heat over the solid body. chief was entering the atmosphere at speed comparable to a meteorite(over mach 20 if i'm correct) which could easily destroy a shuttle without special protection and was up seconds later ready to fight . and yet you think a sword is going to pierce his armor? doubt it.
Originally posted by sigma-ct42atmospheric re-entry isn't a "blunt" force. the dangers of atmospheric re-entry is aerodynamic heating. which is the passing of a object through fluid such as air producing heat over the solid body. chief was entering the atmosphere at speed comparable to a meteorite(over mach 20 if i'm correct) which could easily destroy a shuttle without special protection and was up seconds later ready to fight . and yet you think a sword is going to pierce his armor? doubt it. [/B]
ok im not an idiot i know that its not just blunt force i just didnt want to get into the details, but its still a completely diferent type of damage, it isnt something that is made to cut its something with lots of heat spread over his body, if that was consentrated to oh i dont know a rasor sharp blade it would cut it open, but of cours your just goind to say something stupid like oh he can see bullets so he can just dodge his atacks or thats totaly wrong cuz his armor stoped the sun from exploding you arent thinking about both there abuilitys fully, this is just a bunch of halo fans saying that mc could defete anyone hell we should see what you think about him vs goku whatever ive put my 2 cents in and im done ive come to the conclusion that i cant change your mind so im not going to try anymore
To be honest we don't know how long it took for Johnson to find Master Chief and unlock his armor. Also we have no idea if he was knocked out. What we do know is that once the marine unlocked his armor the Chief was back on his feet and kicking covenant ass.
fair enough.
but its still a completely diferent type of damage, it isnt something that is made to cut its something with lots of heat spread over his body
IT IS HOTTER THEN THE SWORD. look up aerodynamic heating.
you have done absolutely nothing to prove the sword's heat is hotter then heat friction levels at mach 20+
oh and your argument still fails.
if that was consentrated to oh i dont know a rasor sharp blade it would cut it open
prove it. prove the damn sword can cut his armor.the same armor that can block plasma and bullets. quit fanboying and PROVE IT.
but of cours your just goind to say something stupid like oh he can see bullets so he can just dodge his atacks or thats totaly wrong cuz his armor stoped
it's logic. if he see's them in slow motion then MC has immense reaction time speed and reflexes. stop being dense and accept it.
this is just a bunch of halo fans saying that mc could defete anyone hell we should see what you think about him vs goku whatever ive put my 2 cents in and im done ive come to the conclusion that i cant change your mind so im not going to try anymore
you are just a biased angst filled fanboy pissed about the fact that chief's abilities are beyond GF's. deal with it and respect opinions.
Originally posted by sigma-ct42IT IS HOTTER THEN THE SWORD. look up aerodynamic heating.
you have done absolutely nothing to prove the sword's heat is hotter then heat friction levels at mach 20+
you dont know that its hotter than the sword, just because heat from reentry is realy realy hot doesnt mean that nothing on earth can reach that that heat
Originally posted by sigma-ct42prove it. prove the damn sword can cut his armor.the same armor that can block plasma and bullets. quit fanboying and PROVE IT.
how the hell do you want me to do taht this is all speculation you moron, none of the stuff we are saying is based on truth or what the aloys on mc armor are compared to gf sword, we dont know im just going by what i see, so tell me how to prove it and ill prove it
Originally posted by sigma-ct42it's logic. if he see's them in slow motion then MC has immense reaction time speed and reflexes. stop being dense and accept it.
what i said against that wasnt meant to say that he wasnt fast or with fast reacion it was simply to say that you will come up with the same stuff over and over again even if we have something to say against it, and please dont argue with what i just said i dont want to explain it
Originally posted by sigma-ct42you are just a biased angst filled fanboy pissed about the fact that chief's abilities are beyond GF's. deal with it and respect opinions.
i respect opinion, its just that when people make their uneducated opinions fact that pisses me off, and the fact that halo is overly popular makes everyone think mc is a god or something, and thats whats pissing me off is no one is thinking objectively, i say that his sword is designed to cut thru any aloy, you say no it cant he survived reentry, ok so what do you think would happen to the space shuttles if shot with 50 calibur armor peircing bullets? i know that doesnt prove that gf could cut it, but it does prove that just because his shield could withstand super heat doesnt mean that it could withstand an atemped to be cut with a super hot blade by a really strong aponent, and i know that i said that i was done but i think i was just in a bad mood when i said that lol so dont bring that up please.
you dont know that its hotter than the sword, just because heat from reentry is realy realy hot doesnt mean that nothing on earth can reach that that heat
i never said anything on earth couldn't. learn how to read.
how the hell do you want me to do taht this is all speculation you moron, none of the stuff we are saying is based on truth or what the aloys on mc armor are compared to gf sword, we dont know im just going by what i see, so tell me how to prove it and ill prove it
Omg the fanboy finally gets the point of not comparing unknowns. it's a miracle. if you can't prove it then don't bring it up.
what i said against that wasnt meant to say that he wasnt fast or with fast reacion it was simply to say that you will come up with the same stuff over and over again even if we have something to say against it, and please dont argue with what i just said i dont want to explain it
No we won't, you just haven't made any point.
i respect opinion, its just that when people make their uneducated opinions fact that pisses me off
Then you must be mad at yourself quite alot.
and thats whats pissing me off is no one is thinking objectively
We are. you aren't. you are arguing against logic.
"dur i saw it happen on screen and gry fox look fasta den da chief so it men he ius!"
i say that his sword is designed to cut thru any aloy
IN HIS TIMELINE. how many times do i have to say it?
you say no it cant he survived reentry, ok so what do you think would happen to the space shuttles if shot with 50 calibur armor peircing bullets?
1. I was arguing against your notion of: "it superheated so it pierce da chief" if chief can resist high levels of aerodynamic friction generated at speeds greater then mach 20. then GF will do nothing. unless said sword is somehow hotter then said heat levels which is unknown thus rendering that argument void.
2. you are now again misunderstanding my point. the shuttle was used as an example. i was saying aerodynamic heat friction generated at speeds greater then mach 20 is enough to destroy a shuttle without protection, chief resisted said heat. and for the record bullets will do nothing to MC.
but it does prove that just because his shield could withstand super heat doesnt mean that it could withstand an atemped to be cut with a super hot blade by a really strong aponent
and since it's unknown STOP BRINGING IT UP. we have no way of knowing until given insight on the sword's power.
Originally posted by sigma-ct42
[B1. I was arguing against your notion of: "it superheated so it pierce da chief" if chief can resist high levels of aerodynamic friction generated at speeds greater then mach 20. then GF will do nothing. unless said sword is somehow hotter then said heat levels which is unknown thus rendering that argument void.
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