Gray Fox Vs. Master Chief

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
In order to flip, you must lift a portion of its weight, not the whole thing. And GF did not hold it up, he stopped it and held it back.

i was about to say the same thing, but to make sure it is understood, to stop something that falling/stepping, the fall adds weight (its called enusia) even if its not a full stomp its still a crazy amount of weight probably close to 130 tons thats saying its only a portion of the weight he is stopping, so when mc flips the tanks its probably 20 tons from its 55, and when fox stops mg, it is probably about 130 tons, you do the math

Velocity X Mass foo.

2. You didn't watch the vid I posted did you?

i posted that video back on the previous page.

3.And GF did not hold it up, he stopped it and held it back.

And did GF lift a metal gear? thought so.
he was holding it's leg barely. why are we even having this debate? GF got his ass handed to him by snake.... in a fist fight of all things :/

i was about to say the same thing, but to make sure it is understood, to stop something that falling/stepping, the fall adds weight (its called enusia) even if its not a full stomp its still a crazy amount of weight probably close to 130 tons thats saying its only a portion of the weight he is stopping, so when mc flips the tanks its probably 20 tons from its 55, and when fox stops mg, it is probably about 130 tons, you do the math

Why are you assuming Rex's weight is 200 tons? it's never been stated. but fair enough.

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
i posted that video back on the previous page.

And did GF lift a metal gear? thought so.
he was holding it's leg barely. why are we even having this debate? GF got his ass handed to him by snake.... in a fist fight of all things :/

2. No. He stopped one while it was running. Which is still more impressive than any of MC's feats.

Snake(both Solid and Naked) have jobber auras whick allow them to do things clearly above their realistic limits.

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
why are we even having this debate? GF got his ass handed to him by snake.... in a fist fight of all things :/

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
Why are you assuming Rex's weight is 200 tons? it's never been stated. but fair enough. [/B]

2. No. He stopped one while it was running.

it was walking. i have the game. i'm quite aware of how the scenario goes.

Which is still more impressive than any of MC's feats.

chief escaped an exploding ring capable of killing an entire galaxy. survived an encounter with a galaxy killing parasite. single handedly destroyed a walker that makes rex look like a house cat. came face to face with the hive mind of the flood,which was ridiculously large. survived a dropped through the atmosphere,got up ready to fight with no apparent strain. let's not even go into feats please.

well thats simple its esentially a tank just it uses legs instead of wheals, and it is nuklear, oh and its at least 4 or 5 times the size of a tank, actualy more like 7or 8 that thing is huge, so its probably way more than 200 tons

you didn't answer my question. you just pointed out the obvious....

but i also think that fox was going easy on snake

um..he made it pretty clear he was going to try and kill snake...

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
you didn't answer my question. you just pointed out the obvious....

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
um..he made it pretty clear he was going to try and kill snake...

well even so, you dont have to try your hardest to try and kill someone, i mean he is obviously better than snake, (well at least his physical ability's) so if he held back he would still have a good chance of killing him

That is the most ludicrous thing you've said yet....
why in the hell would he hold back if he was trying to kill an experienced highly skilled soldier like snake? who by the way took down the legendary big boss, arguably the most deadly enemy in the entire series....snake is definitely an opponent gray fox knows better then to underestimate. gray fox lost to snake in a fist fight who is weaker then him. in a fist fight with chief: a soldier who reacts at the speed of light.he destroys GF. effortlessly....

well if its obviouse then why did you ask? and btw pointing out the obviouse is a form of an answer, you asked why i think its that heavy i told you why

I was asking you to back up your claim of it's weight. you instead tell me you think it's 200 tons because it has legs and is twice the size of a threaded battle tank....

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
That is the most ludicrous thing you've said yet....
why in the hell would he hold back if he was trying to kill an experienced highly skilled soldier like snake? who by the way took down the legendary big boss, arguably the most deadly enemy in the entire series....snake is definitely an opponent gray fox knows better then to underestimate. gray fox lost to snake in a fist fight who is weaker then him. in a fist fight with chief: a soldier who reacts at the speed of light.he destroys GF. effortlessly....

Originally posted by sigma-ct42

I was asking you to back up your claim of it's weight. you instead tell me you think it's 200 tons because it has legs and is twice the size of a threaded battle tank....

Originally posted by sigma-ct42

chief escaped an exploding ring capable of killing an entire galaxy. survived an encounter with a galaxy killing parasite. single handedly destroyed a walker that makes rex look like a house cat. came face to face with the hive mind of the flood,which was ridiculously large. survived a dropped through the atmosphere,got up ready to fight with no apparent strain. let's not even go into feats please.

well none of those have anything to do with mc strength, he wasnt refering to amazing things he has done, i mean i once got a bullseye in darts without even looking, thats prety amazing but that doesnt mean im stronger than grey fox (that isnt true i never did that, i was just making a point)

well none of those have anything to do with mc strength, he wasnt refering to amazing things he has done, i mean i once got a bullseye in darts without even looking, thats prety amazing but that doesnt mean im stronger than grey fox (that isnt true i never did that, i was just making a point)

Eneru was saying that one thing was more amazing then anything chief has ever. which i highly disagree with.
Chief saved humanity. GF held up a leg...that's...amazing....

wow, you seem to hate me or something

It takes alot for me to hate.you've done nothing to invoke that feeling...yet.

dont think i dont know i probably know more than you about mgs, and you probably know more about halo than me, and thats why you will never beleive me and i will never beleive you

My brother is a MGS fanatic. he has every single mgs game. and has read the literature, i live with him. i can safely say i know alot about mgs considering i've played it...

thats why you will never beleive me and i will never beleive you

i don't believe you because you keep fanboying and i know better. as stated above. i've been exposed to the series. you don't believe because you want to believe GF is better. the only area GF may exceed MC in is strength,MAYBE.

deal with it.

but fox isnt underestimating snake.

I never said that. YOU said he was holding back.don't pin your stupid mistakes on me.

he just said that so snake would be serious, i mean if he wanted him dead why would he save him later?

You do realize GF was somewhat insane right?

well i cant back it up, all i can do is state the obvious, its obviouse that metal gear rex is at least 4-7 times bigger than a tank so it should be obviouse that its at least 4-7 times heavyer than the same tank that weighs lets say 55 tons, so thats at least 200 tons

Rex isn't "bigger" it's only taller due to a pair of legs.

Originally posted by sigma-ct42

i don't believe you because you keep fanboying and i know better. as stated above. i've been exposed to the series. you don't believe because you want to believe GF is better. the only area GF may exceed MC in is strength,MAYBE.

deal with it.

Originally posted by sigma-ct42

You do realize GF was somewhat insane right?

QUOTE=11483377]Originally posted by sigma-ct42

Rex isn't "bigger" it's only taller due to a pair of legs. [/QUOTE]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/Fallen_Blade/Metal%20Gear%20Solid/MetalGearRexX.jpg
the head alone is the size of a tank, then there is the back end wich is probably 1.5-2 tank sizes (and its not holow like a tank, thats full of munitions) then the rail gun, the radome and the legs, so yeah its a LOT bigger than a tank

when has chief done anything like that, ok so it says that he can see them in slow mo...ok so when has he ever done anything to show that he can move fast enought to diflect them all or something to that effect?

The novels back up chiefs feats. in the books spartans moved so fast they could NOT be perceived by the human eye. GF CAN be perceived by the human eye. chief is FAR faster.

none of this is set in stone

chief's feats are backed up by the various halo media.

diflect and dodge bullets from a mounted minigun (extremely high velosity, and rounds per second)

1. chief see's bullets in slow motion.he reacts/moves faster then BULLETS.

2. bullets do absolutely to him. besides he.has.a.energy.shield
i'm growing tired of repeating this...

ok good argument, i dont know exactly what he was thinking, but i still think that he had control of himself to an extent, but thats just what i think about the story they dont really say much about it.

i'm glad you see my point.

the head alone is the size of a tank, then there is the back end wich is probably 1.5-2 tank sizes (and its not holow like a tank, thats full of munitions) then the rail gun, the radome and the legs, so yeah its a LOT bigger than a tank

point taken.

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
it was walking. i have the game. i'm quite aware of how the scenario goes.

chief escaped an exploding ring capable of killing an entire galaxy. survived an encounter with a galaxy killing parasite. single handedly destroyed a walker that makes rex look like a house cat. came face to face with the hive mind of the flood,which was ridiculously large. survived a dropped through the atmosphere,got up ready to fight with no apparent strain. let's not even go into feats please.

2. No, Chief killed a bunch of aliens to get off the ring and keep them from activating it, which does not amount to a thing in a vs. match. MC at various points fought some parasites who have never killed a galaxy, in time they could have threatened it, and still does not amount to shit in a one on one fight. He single handedly jumped on its back and destroyed its core, REX does not have such a weak point. Destroying a scarab is no big feat, both could do it, but MC's skill, strength, and speed are superior to MC's. Came face to face with the Gravemind, yeah.......And was powerless before it. 😐 A giant plant-esque monster overpowered Chief. Not exactly a feat for Chief, rather it is a feat for Gravemind. He dropped through the atmosphere and couldn't move because his suit locked up, and can still be injured physically by Elites, who are nowhere near GF's strength level.

You are grasping at straws and avoiding the facts of this debate.

Master Chief has not proven to be as strong as Gray Fox.

He has not proven to be as fast.

He is not as skilled.

However, he is more durable.

Regardless, GF wins.

You are grasping at straws and avoiding the facts of this debate.

I'm avoiding facts? lol

He has not proven to be as fast.

he sees bullets in slow motion. he reacts faster then the speed of light,he moves so fast he can't be seen by the human eye. all spartans do.when has GF moved this fast exactly? never. you are being a fanboy and ignoring these facts.

who are nowhere near GF's strength level.

How.in.the.hell.do.you.know?

their strength has never been given a limit. you again, are fanboying and assuming GF is stronger because he held up a mech's leg. until chief is given a specific limit. we'll never know. deal with it.strength is pretty irrelevant here anyway. considering chief has defeated enemies stronger then himself.

No, Chief killed a bunch of aliens to get off the ring

basically what i said with added emphasis.your point?

REX does not have such a weak point

yes it does. the radome. without it the pilot is forced to open the cockpit. not to mention anti tank missiles can harm it. scarabs cannot be destroyed by such a thing.

but MC's skill, strength, and speed are superior to MC's

Soooo chief is superior to himself?....

He is not as skilled.

I just bursted out laughing.

and can still be injured physically by Elites

This is the stupidest thing you've said.

just because one can be hurt by annother does not make them "weaker" that falls under how durable one is. not how strong one is..this ain't DBZ mate.

you have no evidence to suggest MC is stronger.

i'm not trying to prove he is? it's already been stated countless times chief's strength is an "unknown".arguing strength is thus pointless.believe what you want though 😄

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
REX does not have such a weak point.

im sorry, but the makers of all the metal gears made them with a weakness so that it couldnt be used against them, i know that for a fact

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
he sees bullets in slow motion. he reacts faster then the speed of light,he moves so fast he can't be seen by the human eye. all spartans do.when has GF moved this fast exactly? never. you are being a fanboy and ignoring these facts.

well thats up for debate, in the game you go to kick him and he vanishes and at the same momen he apears behind you, but who knows?

Originally posted by sigma-ct42

their strength has never been given a limit. you again, are fanboying and assuming GF is stronger because he held up a mech's leg. until chief is given a specific limit. we'll never know. deal with it.strength is pretty irrelevant here anyway. considering chief has defeated enemies stronger then himself.

ok so, this is what ive deduced so far from what has been "agreed" apon (im using that term loosly) mc cant hurt gf with bullets, gf might be able to hurt mc with his sword if he hit him enough, but we dont know if he is fast enough to even do that, rocket launcher is out, its way to slow, the beam canon or whatever it is called, gf would notice it before it hit him, so basicly it would boil down to mc with fists, unless he has an energy sword, against gf with his sword, so the only argument right now (as far as im conserned) is who is faster, and there really is no way to know that, it hasnt been specified exactly how fast gf is, i dont know how fast mc is im just taking your word for it, but from what i saw from the game gf is probaly about the same as far as speed is conserned, so basicly it would be an epic crazy long fight that the conclusion is unknown