Kil'Jaeden prepares a game of chess

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Yes, Lich King. He is without a doubt a great threat to the Burning Legion.

2. How the hell should I know? And he has done things like that many times, like when he fooled Zant into accepting him as a god to use Zant as a connection to the physical plane.

3. You said multiple races kneeling to him by single words. And if what Ultrigos says has any merit, then that sounds more like fear.

4. ...Yeah, but the bulk of his power is from Sargeras.

Kil'Jaeden would wipe the floor with him 😬

Dreadlords where doing that before Sargares stopped them, if was there corruption that had the final effect on him.

Get the book and get back, Dark-jaxx Manual of monsters speaks clearly of the Paramount spells. And if they yield to him because of fear respect for his power ore his ability to manipulate them isn't really important the fact is that the sheer size of the Legion and it's numerous abilities can only be attributed to Kil'Jaeden, as Darth said he turned the Orcs a peace loving race into mindless brutes without using any magic to accomplish this he used words alone.

Even before that Bulk the Eredar as a race was seen as the Greatest Sorcerers in the Universe (disregarding Titans)

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Yes, Lich King. He is without a doubt a great threat to the Burning Legion.

2. How the hell should I know? And he has done things like that many times, like when he fooled Zant into accepting him as a god to use Zant as a connection to the physical plane.

3. You said multiple races kneeling to him by single words. And if what Ultrigos says has any merit, then that sounds more like fear.

4. ...Yeah, but the bulk of his power is from Sargeras.

1. 😂 you should make a career in comedy 😛

2. You seem so awfully cunning about warcraft, so I kinda assumed you would know.. I apologize

3. By SIMPLE words.. He used words and advance mind to persuade them, not his raw power.. And the orcs didnt kneel to his awesome powers, because they had no idea even who they knealt to..

4. The bulk of his power would have him toy Ganon like a feather.. the "bulk" is not bulk.. but he doesnt use his bulk much..

HELLO COULD YOU STOP IGNORING ME AND ANSWER MY DAMN COMMENTS!!!

Originally posted by Utrigita
Kil'Jaeden would wipe the floor with him 😬

Dreadlords where doing that before Sargares stopped them, if was there corruption that had the final effect on him.

Get the book and get back, Dark-jaxx Manual of monsters speaks clearly of the Paramount spells. And if they yield to him because of fear respect for his power ore his ability to manipulate them isn't really important the fact is that the sheer size of the Legion and it's numerous abilities can only be attributed to Kil'Jaeden, as Darth said he turned the Orcs a peace loving race into mindless brutes without using any magic to accomplish this he used words alone.

Even before that Bulk the Eredar as a race was seen as the Greatest Sorcerers in the Universe (disregarding Titans)

2. Wait...what? They have existed past their physical form, posed as a god to a mortal and given the mortal godlike powers?

3. It IS important, he can't use fear or respect to win chess. Turned the Orcs into a mindless race with words? How? What did he say?

4. Yeah, but Sargeras still provided most of his power. Sure, he was powerful before, but Sargeras amped his power to much greater levels.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
1. 😂 you should make a career in comedy 😛

2. You seem so awfully cunning about warcraft, so I kinda assumed you would know.. I apologize

3. By SIMPLE words.. He used words and advance mind to persuade them, not his raw power.. And the orcs didnt kneel to his awesome powers, because they had no idea even who they knealt to..

4. The bulk of his power would have him toy Ganon like a feather.. the "bulk" is not bulk.. but he doesnt use his bulk much..

2. I don't know a whole lot.

3. He is not going to be able to persuade his opponent to letting him win. He seems to be more of a deceiver, similar to Saruman.

4. Last time I checked this isn't a battle.

i hate you people...

Originally posted by chickenlover98
i hate you people...

Originally posted by chickenlover98
you realize cortana is a completely analytical being and she can see every move and every option. she wins instantly, seeing as she can see every statistical option

Computers has been defeated before.. Being a supreme computer doesnt make you undefeatable at chess.. Besides, Cortana holds information, not near as much intelligence as Kil'jaeden..

There, I replied..

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. The Scourge is huge, and it has many powerful warriors and stuff, they are a threat.

2. I don't know a whole lot.

3. He is not going to be able to persuade his opponent to letting him win. He seems to be more of a deceiver, similar to Saruman.

4. Last time I checked this isn't a battle.

1. The scourge is a minor part of the habitants of Azeroth.. The burning legion exceede billions.. The only threat that the scourge currently holds is Lich King and Anub'Arak, and they arent even a real threat to Kil'jaeden.. The discussion has been made.. if you like, I could try find the thread..

3. He will not persuade them, but from how I got it, this thread wants to find out who is smarter than him, and chess was just an irrelevant "book-cover"

4. Nope, but it is limited by his mind, and he is said to be omnipotent-potential..

ime all about the Lich King beating Kil'jaeden, thats the only thing i think Jaxx is bringing up thats true, we dont know enough about Lich King to make a decision, Lich King has great powers himself, i wouldnt rule him out of defeating anyone in Azeroth or indeed Burning legion members until ive seen him fall canonically to someone far weaker, or seen his abilities to be on low calibre.

although whats this about exactley? Lich is WoW and i thot they were not allowed now?

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
1. The scourge is a minor part of the habitants of Azeroth.. The burning legion exceede billions.. The only threat that the scourge currently holds is Lich King and Anub'Arak, and they arent even a real threat to Kil'jaeden.. The discussion has been made.. if you like, I could try find the thread..

3. He will not persuade them, but from how I got it, this thread wants to find out who is smarter than him, and chess was just an irrelevant "book-cover"

4. Nope, but it is limited by his mind, and he is said to be omnipotent-potential..

3. ...I was thinking it was just a chess game. I think KOS-MOS is smarter in some ways, she can rapidly go over different strategies and pick the one with greatest success. Pyron is smarter in terms of knowledge, but not manipulation or cunning. I don't know anyone overall as smart as him though.

4. You mean this quote,"He was not omnipotent...but still..." or something to that effect? That is hyperbole, he has not even shown the power to border on omnipotence or even reality warping, and that quote only says he isn't all powerful but seems to be in comparison with most mortals.

Originally posted by Darth Extecute
Computers has been defeated before.. Being a supreme computer doesnt make you undefeatable at chess.. Besides, Cortana holds information, not near as much intelligence as Kil'jaeden..

There, I replied..

Originally posted by chickenlover98
well prove she can be beat. i dare you

Sigh..

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. The Scourge is growing larger day by day aren't they? And in all seriousness, LK can prolly solo a BL militia(no people like Kiljaedan). You can find it, but I admit I am disadvantaged to you in terms of Warcraft knowledge. I only know what I have read and find the lore quite fascinating, unfortunately I have not made the time to purchase any of the games.

3. ...I was thinking it was just a chess game. I think KOS-MOS is smarter in some ways, she can rapidly go over different strategies and pick the one with greatest success. Pyron is smarter in terms of knowledge, but not manipulation or cunning. I don't know anyone overall as smart as him though.

4. You mean this quote,"He was not omnipotent...but still..." or something to that effect? That is hyperbole, he has not even shown the power to border on omnipotence or even reality warping, and that quote only says he isn't all powerful but seems to be in comparison with most mortals.

"Kil'Jaeden was not omnipotent.. yet"

Yeah, Hyperbole.

"Prove she can be beat"?

Lulz.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Yeah, Hyperbole.

"Prove she can be beat"?

Lulz.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
hey hey, the lulz aare all mine, same wth teh mudkips. MY MUDKIPS!!!!!!!! and seriously cortana wins. she's an advanced computer vs a hugely powerful warlock, who has foreseen events hundred of years before their happening, and has tricked entire races to be his obiedient and faithful slaves, kinda obvious here

Fixed

a "medieval guy" is no more stupid than a guy from this day and age :roleyes:
besides, this is no "medieval guy", you're just generalising..
cortana doesnt have the cunning to stand up to killy's uber chess skilz!

b.s.n, i cant really think of many people who could 😬
maybe KOS-MOS...or the elder god (hed have to mindcontrol someone human sized to do the work for him tho 😛)

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Prove it. Fact is we do not know enough about current Lich King to conclude that Kil'jaedan can or cannot beat him.

2. Wait...what? They have existed past their physical form, posed as a god to a mortal and given the mortal godlike powers?

3. It IS important, he can't use fear or respect to win chess. Turned the Orcs into a mindless race with words? How? What did he say?

4. Yeah, but Sargeras still provided most of his power. Sure, he was powerful before, but Sargeras amped his power to much greater levels.

I can mail you a webaddress to download Manual of Monsters and Shadows and Light, The stats in those two books can be used to compare the Lich King against Kil'Jaeden, and you know what? the Lich King loses 😬

what does that have to do with anything I just said 😕

I don't know what he said, do you want a complete reference Kil'jaede: I doesn't like Azeroth Ner'Zhul: we are peaceloving we wouldn't help you. I that what you want??? It's Lore/Canon that Kil'Jaeden used he cunning and his intellect to bind the Ordish Race to his will, He didn't utilize any magical abilities to turn them to the Legion.

4. Can you prove that??? out of interest...

Originally posted by Utrigita
I can mail you a webaddress to download Manual of Monsters and Shadows and Light, The stats in those two books can be used to compare the Lich King against Kil'Jaeden, and you know what? the Lich King loses 😬

well to be fair not by much...challenge rating diffrence of 2 is the only easy way to compare them, otherwise your mucking about with diffrence classes and such but ime sure their all equelling powerful and the classes of each are not neccerily true to the canon, i mean Warlock is belivable for Eredar but Shaman and other things for Titans is unlikely, i wouldnt put them under any class in canon

Just to make sure that this is not developed in the wrong way- there is a big difference between being a lore Warlock and a WoW Warlock 😉

As for a titan, they are to powerful to be classified as one particular class.