Kil'Jaeden prepares a game of chess

Originally posted by Burning thought
well to be fair not by much...challenge rating diffrence of 2 is the only easy way to compare them, otherwise your mucking about with diffrence classes and such but ime sure their all equelling powerful and the classes of each are not neccerily true to the canon, i mean Warlock is belivable for Eredar but Shaman and other things for Titans is unlikely, i wouldnt put them under any class in canon

As I have said earlier I doesn't put much into the CR since Malorne was defeated by Archimonde which has a lower CR. And when I compare I go into stats that both parties in question has (in this case Lich King and Kil'Jaeden) Kil'Jaeden got the highest scores, his spell level is enormous a level 56 Sorcerer. A roleplaying friend of mine told me that everything above 20 is insane in RPG. Also why do you find it unlikely that the Titans are Shamans??? They detest Arcana Magic and believe it to be evil in Nature the only one of utilize Arcana magic is Norgannom so...

I wouldnt class the ancient entities as anything shaman, ime sure they excisted long before anyone thought of the word shaman and they are of several levels of power themselves, i would not class them as a WoW class

Originally posted by Utrigita
I can mail you a webaddress to download Manual of Monsters and Shadows and Light, The stats in those two books can be used to compare the Lich King against Kil'Jaeden, and you know what? the Lich King loses 😬

what does that have to do with anything I just said 😕

I don't know what he said, do you want a complete reference Kil'jaede: I doesn't like Azeroth Ner'Zhul: we are peaceloving we wouldn't help you. I that what you want??? It's Lore/Canon that Kil'Jaeden used he cunning and his intellect to bind the Ordish Race to his will, He didn't utilize any magical abilities to turn them to the Legion.

4. Can you prove that??? out of interest...

2. I have no idea.

3. ...What?

4. He was around Velen's power before right? Now he, like, isn't.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Okay, but saying he is not a threat to his power is wrong IMO, it is not always the strongest who wins, Nerzhul has shown great intelligence as well.

2. I have no idea.

3. ...What?

4. He was around Velen's power before right? Now he, like, isn't.

1. No, he hasnt. Ner'Zhul has failed at intelligence trough his entire life.

3. What Utrigita meant, was that Kil'Jaeden persuaded an entire race, that was already in conflict to ally and fight Kil'Jaedens enemies with nothing but words. They did not even know that they did evil.

4. And I guess you think that Velen is just some weak magiciant?

Originally posted by Burning thought
I wouldnt class the ancient entities as anything shaman, ime sure they excisted long before anyone thought of the word shaman and they are of several levels of power themselves, i would not class them as a WoW class

They sure did but as mentioned before it's purely for the Gamesmasters sake incase someone would try and attack them. Also WoW was publiced in 2004 the RPG the same year 2004 both the RPG and the Game. Then one can argue who stole what 😛

Also most titans have multiply classes.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Okay, but saying he is not a threat to his power is wrong IMO, it is not always the strongest who wins, Nerzhul has shown great intelligence as well.

2. I have no idea.

3. ...What?

4. He was around Velen's power before right? Now he, like, isn't.

1. Not enough to say that he is more intelligent then Kil'Jaeden that only have made miscalculations in his plans two times, in eons.

2. Neither have I 😂

3. What Becci said.

4. He was higher then Velen, Now what I want you to proof is that the boost that Sargeras gave him sent his power flying upwards, can you do that?

Originally posted by Utrigita
1. Not enough to say that he is more intelligent then Kil'Jaeden that only have made miscalculations in his plans two times, in eons.

2. Neither have I 😂

3. What Becci said.

4. He was higher then Velen, Now what I want you to proof is that the boost that Sargeras gave him sent his power flying upwards, can you do that?

2. I can't even remember what we were talking about. 😂

3. Okie dokie.

4. Because the offer of power Sargeras gave was so great that Killy and Archie were like a couple of happy fat children receiving a donut when they were offered.

1. Wrong. Ner'Zhul was imprisoned and granted power over the undead. The reason he became as powerful as he did was not because of his intelligence. It was due to the misstake of Kil'Jaeden to not limit the expanding powers of the Lich King. Ner'Zhul was LUCKY.

What's up with all you KMC people and your love for Ner'Zhuls mind 😑 The guy was lucky. His intelligence has never helped him achieve anything. Not until after his mind started expanding in the frozen prison did he start using that thing called a mind.

4. I am not sure what you two are discussing. However, I do know that Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde recieved powers beyond their dreams. They just have not learnt to use it fully yet 🙄

And Velen is VERY powerful, even though he is not blessed by Sargeras.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Becci, Nerzhul went from having no body and being frozen in a block of ice to wrenching the Scourge from Kiljaedan's hands and becoming one of the most powerful beings in Azeroth, how is that not intelligent?

2. I can't even remember what we were talking about. 😂

3. Okie dokie.

4. Because the offer of power Sargeras gave was so great that Killy and Archie were like a couple of happy fat children receiving a donut when they were offered.

1. Thats not intelligence that is cunning buddy, coupled with enormous amounts of luck, Archimonde the moment he entered Azeroth stripped the Lich King of his command over the Scrouge.

2. 😂

4. And a donut wouldn't make the fat boys grow more would it??? From where dou you have the idea that Kil'Jaeden got a huge powerboost when he joined Sargeras (I know Kil'Jaeden did but what I want you too do is to prove it like you have asked me too do with some things)