Yes, I realize he's a biblical character.
So, in the P/Ks documentary, when Rohl claims that the lack of Apis bulls, and, if I recall, a 21st dynasty on the wall at Abydos, thus shifting the blame from Shishak to Rameses, what is it he's trying to validate?
(I actually recall having a conversation about this film with my high school english teacher, who thought that he should have been born 2 or 3 hundred years in the past, where he would have been more comfortable. I had to point out to him that our calender is loosly based on the egyptian one, not on it's chronology though.)
Originally posted by Devil King
Yes, I realize he's a biblical character.So, in the P/Ks documentary, when Rohl claims that the lack of Apis bulls, and, if I recall, a 21st dynasty on the wall at Abydos, thus shifting the blame from Shishak to Rameses, what is it he's trying to validate?
(I actually recall having a conversation about this film with my high school english teacher, who thought that he should have been born 2 or 3 hundred years in the past, where he would have been more comfortable. I had to point out to him that our calender is loosly based on the egyptian one, not on it's chronology though.)
Originally posted by Devil King
Yes, I realize he's a biblical character.So, in the P/Ks documentary, when Rohl claims that the lack of Apis bulls, and, if I recall, a 21st dynasty on the wall at Abydos, thus shifting the blame from Shishak to Rameses, what is it he's trying to validate?
(I actually recall having a conversation about this film with my high school english teacher, who thought that he should have been born 2 or 3 hundred years in the past, where he would have been more comfortable. I had to point out to him that our calender is loosly based on the egyptian one, not on it's chronology though.)
What he's trying to validate, even though I think by now that he's a little overanxious in his shift of 350 years, that several Pharaohs in the Third Intermediate Period ruled simultaneously, thus shortening that period. Not unusual, co-reigns happened before. But in the TIP they're conevntionally accepted to rule sequential.
What shortening the TIP does though, is shorten the archaeological time period called the Iron Age. And when that shortens all ages before it (Iron I, Late Bronze, Middel Bronze etc.) have to come down in time. So that would mean redating. For Egypt it doesn't have so much consequences, although some Egyptoligists go a little rabid over this, but since the entire Near East chronology is based on the Egyptian one, these dates have to come down too.
In case of the biblical events that could mean a shift in thinking. Since there is very little epigraphical material in Syro-Palestinian arhcaeology, all they have is Egyptian scarabs, so Egyptian dates are used to date biblical events. So when one would like to look for someone like Solomon, the very rich builder-king, one would now look in the impoverished parts of the Iron Age. So a conclusion is simple: the biblical events do not add up. However, with a revision like this, Solomon would end up in the Late Bronze Age, which was very rich and had a lot of building activities. It would in fact, and mind you this is a by-product of Egyptian chronological revision, make a lot of sense for other events like the Fall of Jericho.
In case of Greek archaeology it would solve the very awkward 300+ dark age and would even bring something like the Battle of Troy to another time as well, and to an archaeological city in a different stratum that would fit Homer's story very well. In fact, Homer would also live much closer to the event. His father or grandfather would have lived at the time of the battle, which renders more potential credibility to Homer's Iliad.
So roughly that's it. Shifting dates of archaeological strata.
Originally posted by queeq
1. I never claimed to be a creationist. That's a label you stuck on me. That was an assumption on your part which you used to discredit me immediately, as you clearly do here again. That's you're style of debating: throw a label at someone without reason and judge him on that.
You may not necessarily be a Creationist, but you are implicitly a Biblical Maximalist, and therefore, just as incredulous.
Originally posted by queeq
2. You said explicitly all three films I mentioned were directed by THREE DIFFERENT directors. Now you say you only found TWO. Obviously, a lie has been detected on your side, and in your own words. Your assumption that the identity of the third director is a third party now counts as your rule.
No, he did not:
Originally posted by Devil King
I've already pointed out that 2 of the 3 documentaries were directed by different guys, and I'm waiting on confirmation of the third.
Moreover, you initially implied that you were the original director of "One: Footsteps of Goliath" and "Unlocking the Secrets of the Shroud," and that you adapted a single documentary "Pharaohs and Kings" into five, 50 minute documentaries:
Originally posted by queeq
One: Footsteps of Goliath (aired among others by the European broadcaster ARTE)
Adaptation of Pharaohs and Kings (5 50 minute documentaries)
Unlocking the Secrets of the Shroud
Now you are stating that in addition to remaking two of the documentaries, that you adapted the three of them into five new documentaries:
Originally posted by queeq
3. I always said from the very first time that I did a remake on the second films, I never claimed otherwise. And I also explained we used the original footage (directed by Timothy Copestake, as you prolly found out). So making four (or five actually, counting the German version as well) completely new documentaries out of three, doesn't make me director of all, but does make me the director of five very different docs. Plus, what that means is that doing a thing like that is doing at least as much research as the orginal director. In fact, the host of the show said I did a lot more. And all this crap was about was giving some sort of credibility to an antagonist to show I sorta knew what I was talking about. Now I regret that move because this has turned into a sick witch hunt.
Who is the liar again?
Originally posted by queeq
4. Hating creationists and, worse, hating people you label as creationists for no reason makes me feel sad for you. Because it points to you maybe have a need for that, a need to be antagonistic at least, a need to hate at worst...
If you are not a Creationist, then how is this relevant?
Originally posted by queeq
And Houston Worldfest is a not a religious filmfestival, dude.
Then why is it catered and sponsored by Chick-fil-A?
Chick-fil-A: Religious ConnectionsChick-fil-A founder S. Truett Cathy is a devout Southern Baptist who has taught Sunday School for over 44 years and whose religious beliefs permeate the company to this day. The company's official statement of corporate purpose says that the business exists "to glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us and to have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A." The chain invests heavily in community services (especially for children and teenagers) and scholarships.
. . . The religious organizations to which Truett Cathy and Chick-fil-A have lent support include such groups as Focus on the Family. Groups researching financial support of religious groups have noted that Truett Cathy is one of the largest corporate sponsors of politically active religious groups in the US, largely through grants from the Truett Cathy Foundation but occasionally through direct sponsorship as well or through partnership with other foundations that are major corporate sponsors of politically active religious groups.
Chick-fil-A has promoted religious groups via toys and CDs included in children's meals, much as movie studios promote new movies via McDonald's Happy Meal toys. These have ranged from including toys from the Christian television series VeggieTales in children's meals to including Financial Peace for Kids children's books by Christian financial guru Dave Ramsey and CDs from the Christian radio program Adventures in Odyssey, as children's meal incentives. The latter show is produced by the radio division of Focus on the Family, and typically heard on Christian radio stations.
Chick-fil-A and Focus on the Family also have a history of cross-promotion. Chick-fil-A has also sponsored meetings by the group All Pro Dad; All Pro Dad is a group with affiliations with Focus on the Family via a group called Family First; Family First promotes a large number of conservative religious causes, including covenant marriage.
Chick-fil-A has also directly sponsored other religious campaigns. One of the groups sponsored by Chick-fil-A is Athletes In Action which is a sports missionary arm of the Campus Crusade for Christ.
Another link between Chick-fil-A and religious groups includes promotion of National Bible Week. Truett Cathy is the chair of the National Bible Week Committee.
Truett Cathy is also heavily involved in the WinShape Foundation, a non-profit organization which was started in 1984 with its goal to "shape winners" by offering summer camps, retreats, foster care, and other services.
Chick-fil-A's connection to Christianity has even been brought up in court when Aziz Latif, a Houston-based Muslim employee for 6 years, sued the company in 2002 for firing him, alleging that he was fired for his religious beliefs when he had refused to take part in an employee prayer.
Originally posted by queeq
The award was won at the Houston Worldfest, that claims to be one of the oldest filmfestivals in the world . . .
Event Coverage: Houston WorldfestFirst things first, Houston Worldfest is an unorganized, ridiculous, amateur mess. They have been doing this festival for 30+ years and it's still a one-man operation.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You may not necessarily be a Creationist, but you are implicitly a Biblical Maximalist, and therefore, just as incredulous.
Oh good, I thought people were generalïsing again. Good thing we have you on board to bring some nuance into the debate. Labels really help in dividing the world in good and evil for ya, Poe, for it's really really really hard to think for yourself and judge things not only by its cover. So it's good to make up a cover if there is none.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Moreover, you initially implied that you were the original director of "One: Footsteps of Goliath" and "Unlocking the Secrets of the Shroud," and that you adapted a single documentary "Pharaohs and Kings" into five, 50 minute documentaries:
Well, I made a typo. If you read carefulyy you can see it says
"(5 50 minute documentaries)"... I meant to write "(5x 50 minute documentaries). So I get slaughtered for a missing x... Thanks, I deserved that.
Nothing, it could be the result of noticed problems in the THird Intermediate Period and therefore in dating the Pharaohs. Ya know, when was RII's birthday and stuff.
You always seem to think everyone has some evil secret agenda and think up a way to make up some sort of scientific bogus story to preach something. If that is the case, that's pretty cynical and short-sighted. Every scientist has to publish his work so others can judge it based on his arguments and evidence. Judging someone's work solely on his (assumed or not) background, is very poor, lazy and extremely judgmental.
Originally posted by queeq
Nothing
So, the point of your "documentary" is what?
Originally posted by queeq
You always seem to think everyone has some evil secret agenda and think up a way to make up some sort of scientific bogus story to preach something. If that is the case, that's pretty cynical and short-sighted. Every scientist has to publish his work so others can judge it based on his arguments and evidence. Judging someone's work solely on his (assumed or not) background, is very poor, lazy and extremely judgmental.
So, what is the point of Dr. Rohl's supposition? What long-held ideology is he attempting to substantiate with the claims made in the documentary film Pharaohs and Kings, which you directed? Now, PART of?)
I thought you claimed to have seen the documentary?? You don't show it. People can see correlations with other fields, other cultures WITHOUT LONG-HELD IDEOLOGIES, you know!
Somehow you can't get this through your skull for some reason. Why do you feel so threatened that you need to label one's background first? And then base your judgment ON THAT LABEL and not on the arguments presented.
Look, if you say: "every one that has anything positive to say about the Bible or any religious book is a nutter - period", then say it and make it clear. You have made that point over and over and over and over again. Just admit that it is you who presents the "long-held ideology" that everything that even remotely smells like a religion is BS. And then just leave this forum if all you come to do here is the preach your gospel that everything in this forum is nonsense. Leave the 'nutters' be and go and sit out there with your anti-religious friends and gloat over the stupidity of some people who so unjustfully share your oxygen on this planet.
Originally posted by queeq
I thought you claimed to have seen the documentary?? You don't show it. People can see correlations with other fields, other cultures WITHOUT LONG-HELD IDEOLOGIES, you know!
Somehow you can't get this through your skull for some reason. Why do you feel so threatened that you need to label one's background first? And then base your judgment ON THAT LABEL and not on the arguments presented.Look, if you say: "every one that has anything positive to say about the Bible or any religious book is a nutter - period", then say it and make it clear. You have made that point over and over and over and over again. Just admit that it is you who presents the "long-held ideology" that everything that even remotely smells like a religion is BS. And then just leave this forum if all you come to do here is the preach your gospel that everything in this forum is nonsense. Leave the 'nutters' be and go and sit out there with your anti-religious friends and gloat over the stupidity of some people who so unjustfully share your oxygen on this planet.
Not what I asked you.
You only ask one question: what is the long-held ideology behind it? I answered it before. RBYP.
Originally posted by queeq
Nothing
But you are trying to find some secret agenda you believe must be there for some reason. What is your problem? But did those Catholic teachers do to you? Were the male priests a little too kind for ya?