Originally posted by Devil King
No, I didn't really assume that you were boasting or expecting special treatment because you had a wife. But more and more, that factoid in someone's life is treated like an applause line. It's like someone saying they were in the military or served in Iraq, and the whole room has to clap or tear up over their "sacrifice" or their service to the US. Then, on the other hand, they make such a huge deal over the "greatest generation", those who fought WW2, as the target towards which the entire nation should aim. But, that was a generation of people who served their nation and an idea, and returned home and asked nothing in the way of praise for their actions. Maybe a little off topic, but not an idea I didn't want to share. [/rant]
You "sound" like a grumpy old man.😆 Also, I edited your above post.
Originally posted by Devil King
But, what I don't understand is how you see Mormonism as the last straw of being a deist? How can that be the last possible obstacle?
For many many reasons. I asked Him if this religion was really the restored gospel and He gave me a resounding "Yes". I also figured that the true church would be the church that had benevolent teachings, kind people, misplaced persecution, and many circulating lies. If Satan is real and God is real then that is how one should expect to find the "true" church.(Similar to Christ and his church during his mortal ministry.) Their are plenty of other reasons besides that but those are just the first things that come to mind. (I also LOVE to argue with ignorant Mormon bashers. Why would I be part of a religion that I couldn't argue about...where's the fun in that? 😄 )
Originally posted by Devil King
As for Queeq, the moment he embellishes, that's certainly not the truth anymore, is it?
Wait...do the same principles apply to anti-Mormons?
Also, truth comes in varying degrees and flavors. You can settle for absolutes but that would not be the most intelligent way to approach "truth".
Originally posted by Devil King
Why does one need to embellish? I asked the question much earlier in the thread why god needs to embellish the bible? Especially when we can all agree that the bible didn't fall from the sky, as is, or had been written by the finger of god on a tablet on the top of a mountain.
You are talking to a Mormon here: I don't think God embellished the bible, I think man did. Not only did man "embellish" the bible, but he also removed and added to it to fit his purposes. 😉
Originally posted by queeq
Not so much beneath me, just running in endless circles of dodging, assuming, putting words into people's mouths, not answering. Looks like you found a new victim.
I am not his victim. Our conversation is very two sided.
He has displayed dodging(I even predicted it). He has put words in my mouth and your mouth. He has come to malformed conclusions.(But so have I.) However, that is not very different from what any other posters do during a debate.
You are only his victim because, as he supposes, he thinks you are full of shit. It would appear he has a disdain for "posers" and the like. It certainly doesn't help your situation that you did not start from scratch on your own original work...but realistically, that is not very feasible nowadays(The last 30-40 years) because of the proliferation of "works".
Originally posted by dadudemon
For many many reasons. I asked Him if this religion was really the restored gospel and He gave me a resounding "Yes".
apparently not. you have just failed to accomplish anything, except illustrating your own delusion.
Shall we start calling you John, or Joan of Arc or Lucia?
Oh, and here you go:
http://fatimashoppe.org/default.asp
baby Jesus needs a buck.
You asked? What a joke. How divine and exceptional of you.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I am waiting for the final edited version.
I can babble all I want, but the basis of your perspective is pretty basic. You suport him because you realize you subscribe to his perspective; which is not supported by archaeology. It's okay to assume the implications made in the last post weren't the same as those made in this one.
Or, perhaps you would like to explain why baby Jesus spoke to you, but no one else in this thread?
Or why no response to this thread? You've been accusing me in PM.
If you're wondering, I'd expect you to validate any claims of divine intervention in regards to your perpective as you apparently don't need in Queeqs. Wanna tell us how Jesus, through his mormon intermediaries, spoke to you and revealed some measure of "truth"?
Originally posted by Devil King
apparently not. you have just failed to accomplish anything, except illustrating your own delusion.Shall we start calling you John, or Joan of Arc or Lucia?
Oh, and here you go:
http://fatimashoppe.org/default.asp
baby Jesus needs a buck.
You asked? What a joke. How divine and exceptional of you.
You asked. I answered. How else could I justify my belief in God? I often ponder if there are millions of people running around with schizophrenia because they "got an answer" or in other words, they heard a voice.
Originally posted by Devil King
I can babble all I want, but the basis of your perspective is pretty basic. You suport him because you realize you subscribe to his perspective; which is not supported by archaeology.
No. That is a blatant illogical conclusion on your part and I think you know that. Why would you make an assumption that we both know is incorrect?...............Wait....are you trolling? 😕
Originally posted by Devil King
It's okay to assume the implications made in the last post weren't the same as those made in this one.
Ummmm....😕 I appreciate that? What is your reasoning behind making this statement?
Originally posted by Devil King
Or, perhaps you would like to explain why baby Jesus spoke to you, but no one else in this thread?
Actually, no, not at all. Why would I discuss something so sacred to myself with someone like you?(A religion loathing atheist.) I already told you why I have religion..specifically Mormonism...you don't need to know intimate details.
Originally posted by Devil King
Or why no response to this thread?
1. I haven't responded because this is not a chat room and sometimes I do other things that do no include posting here.
2. I was studying for the Security+ certification AND I watched the rest of a movie. (We are members of KMC for a reason, right?)
3. I waited for you to fix your post and you didn't do it in less than 5 minutes...I have the patience of a 3 year old so I moved on.
Originally posted by Devil King
You've been accusing me in PM.
1. I have not been "accusing" you "in PM" of anything.
2. I PM'd you to save you embarrassment. (Because it looked like you responded in a rush and I didn't want to respond to a post of yours like that because, IMO, it would be dishonorable for me to take advantage of a situation like that. I want your best before I reply.)
3. Your statement alludes to multiple PM's from me because your use of the present participle "accusing". This is a false representation of truth and judging by the correctness of your grammar and punctuation, I know you know that.
4. Because you made a statement like that, you had to know full well that it was a deliberate lie.
What did you hope to accomplish with a statement like that?
Wait......you're actually trolling, aren't you?
Originally posted by Devil King
If you're wondering, I'd expect you to validate any claims of divine intervention in regards to your perpective as you apparently don't need in Queeqs.
1. I cannot substantiate claims from the old testament, generally. I will not substantiate a faith based belief because it should always be impossible to do so. I believe that this is a two way street and these types of inquisitions always go in circles.
2. I have several stories from my own life that signify divine intervention.(Yes, tangible truths.) These experiences are enough alone to justify my faith in God. Of course, I will not share those with you.
Originally posted by Devil King
Wanna tell us how Jesus, through his mormon intermediaries, spoke to you and revealed some measure of "truth"?
1. I clearly indicated that God gave me an answer; no mention of intermediaries.
2. I made no mention of Jesus as the truth revealing party. I specifically said "God".
3. If you actually knew about Mormonism's beliefs, you would know that when we seek answers to prayers, they come from God.
4. Because of point #3, you should also know that we do not believe in the Trinity concept.
Note: Your ignorance as discussed by Points 3 and 4 are easily overlooked; I don't expect you to know my religion inside and out because that would be absurd of me.
I have a question for you and I want you to answer it 100% honest...don't hold back...
Why so much blatant hostility towards me all of a sudden? You seem so pissed off that you can't think straight.
Also please keep these discussions a little bit more respectful.
P.S. I didn't go back over and proofread this post so there may be mistakes in it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You asked. I answered. How else could I justify my belief in God? I often ponder if there are millions of people running around with schizophrenia because they "got an answer" or in other words, they heard a voice.
then do not pretend to suddenly lend vaidity to our assuptions, as though they were events from teh past; all of which are based on the principle of: I said so!
Originally posted by dadudemon
No. That is a blatant illogical conclusion on your part and I think you know that. Why would you make an assumption that we both know is incorrect?...............Wait....are you trolling? 😕
I have made an ilogical concusion, but you are the one supporting magic underware and wandering jews in North America?
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's basic "illogical conclusion" on my part, but you [b]are not supporting the idea that the bible is true based on archaeological evidence, much less the fact that Queeq's perspecive is correct because he basis his angle on biblical truth?[/B]
Are you sure you've been reading the same thread the rest of us have been reading? He has, quite contrary to his "film" work, claimed he has no official position on christianity that is not supported by archaeology. To do otherwise would require him stating a position on the subject, which he has refused to do up to this point, citing my aggressive tendancies as a reason not to. But, his "film" work speaks for itself. He supports the fairy tales told in the bible, simply because they appear in the bible. If he would like to do otherwise, he is free to do so. But he hasn't: not in the last dozen pages of conversation. And you saying he has doesn't change that he has not.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ummmm....😕 I appreciate that? What is your reasoning behind making this statement?
Because you observed me editing my post, as though there were something I wanted to hide from teh viewing pubic. Or do you forget sending me a private message, asking when I'd finish saying what I wanted to say? The fact is, there was a lot of side comments in my response, none of which really had anything to do with the fact that you are attempting to play both sides of the feild: an atheist and a retard mormon, at the same time.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, no, not at all. Why would I discuss something so sacred to myself with someone like you?(A religion loathing atheist.) I already told you why I have religion..specifically Mormonism...you don't need to know intimate details.
Who does? There's only room for 140,000 people anyays, right? Because you're scrad to do so, just like every other batshit member of your religion. HARK, I HAVE GOOD NEWS!...for those who subscribe to it....but not for those who need convincing. How typical of your congame religion. Yours and Queeq's.
Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I haven't responded because this is not a chat room and sometimes I do other things that do no include posting here.2. I was studying for the Security+ certification AND I watched the rest of a movie. (We are members of KMC for a reason, right?)
3. I waited for you to fix your post and you didn't do it in less than 5 minutes...I have the patience of a 3 year old so I moved on.
1. It's kind of too late to profess you have a life, since you've already spent the whole night responding to me. Unless you're willing to concceed tha we all log in and join in when we have the chance.
2. I PM'd you to save you embarrassment. (Because it looked like you responded in a rush and I didn't want to respond to a post of yours like that because, IMO, it would be dishonorable for me to take advantage of a situation like that. I want your best before I reply.)
Take all the advanage you think it will give you.
3. Your statement alludes to multiple PM's from me because your use of the present participle "accusing". This is a false representation of truth and judging by the correctness of your grammar and punctuation, I know you know that.4. Because you made a statement like that, you had to know full well that it was a deliberate lie.
which statement would that be?
1Left behind is no excuse...even if you're a member of a batshit religion....or not. (As is evident in your PM's and posts.) I have professed to have no life, other than one that matches yours, which grants us both the freedom to post on a saturday night.. What am I supposed to have a life that doesn't reflect my ability to see and respond to your posts? Not tonight. And you? what with being here and all? FAIL.
2(Yeah, when it suits us, apparently. Despite what ever accusitory PM's we've already sent.) You PM'ed me to save me what embarrassment? I responded; post what ever you'd like. I have zero issues responding to what I said in the first draft of my post....but it would only lead to more arguments, since it called your perspective the shit it really is. And I'm more than willing to defend what I said...
3. It doesn't take more than a second to delete 2 paragraphs....which is all I did. I think that makes you a liar. Not multiple, only 1; one accusitory PM.
4. What was a lie? I made no claims, other than queeq was full of shit and your religion is based on a congame. What "lie" are you talking about?
Originally posted by dadudemonFor an hour? No, that question was asked right after ou pm'd me.
Oh, but you want to know why I'm not saying anything? Or, have I been asleep?
Originally posted by dadudemon
What did you hope to accomplish with a statement like that?Wait......you're actually trolling, aren't you?
i guess so. That's why I've been banned. I've seen it take socks more than a year to get banned: and I'm the real deal; so I have no doubt that you don't need to bring the moderators into this to defend your position. Or, if you need help, feel free.
Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I cannot substantiate claims from the old testament, generally. I will not substantiate a faith based belief because it should always be impossible to do so. I believe that this is a two way street and these types of inquisitions always go in circles.
no, you won't...because they're bullshit.
Originally posted by dadudemon
2. I have several stories from my own life that signify divine intervention.(Yes, tangible truths.) These experiences are enough alone to justify my faith in God. Of course, I will not share those with you.
so tangible you can't relate them. How specia you kust be. God has a plan for you. How's that magic underwear working out?
Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I clearly indicated that God gave me an answer; no mention of intermediaries.2. I made no mention of Jesus as the truth revealing party. I specifically said "God".
3. If you actually knew about Mormonism's beliefs, you would know that when we seek answers to prayers, they come from God.
4. Because of point #3, you should also know that we do not believe in the Trinity concept.
1Then the answer shoud be pretty easy to recall....or at least the story. Wonder why you won't?
2So, god and Jesus are not the ame person? Joseph Smith is shitting all over himself in his grave.
Note: Your ignorance as discussed by Points 3 and 4 are easily overlooked; I don't expect you to know my religion inside and out because that would be absurd of me.
(3&4:
3:But not from Jesus
4:I didn't say you did. I totally understand you have your own, unique, batshit ideas.)
I have a question for you and I want you to answer it 100% honest...don't hold back...
Originally posted by dadudemon
Why so much blatant hostility towards me all of a sudden? You seem so pissed off that you can't think straight.Also please keep these discussions a little bit more respectful.
P.S. I didn't go back over and proofread this post so there may be mistakes in it.
Like most mormons, you think too much of yourself. There's no special interest in you, any more than there would be for anyone else having biblical diarrhea, like your friend, Queeq. But, he has the good sense to pretend it has nothing to do with his answe in this thread.
Originally posted by queeq
He's not out to prove a point, dadudemon. He has no points, all he wants to do is antagonise.
Originally posted by queeq
Dadudemon, let it rest. Please! He's not going to give in, he doesn't care about you, your religion, your arguments... he wants to be right. Endulge him.
The above is sound advice. Just like raving religionists, he is a raving atheist.
I will explain why I won't respond.
DK, your post is so shitty in quality, that it doesn't warrant a response from me. If you are willing to go back through that post and edit it to meet my standards (Make your post as good as mine...I don't expect anything more.), I will be willing to respond back.
Originally posted by Robtard
If either of you had bothered to read his post, he has on numerous occasions said he isn't an atheist, when knee-jerkingly accused.
Really? I didnt notice any.
After all the misinterpretations and all the words he put into my mouth, I think I am alloud to make one mistake...that assuming that he IS and an atheist. I did not read anywhere where he directly denied being an atheist.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, really. It's in this very thread too.I don't want to rag on you, but anyone who says that God spoke to them, is either mentally unstable in some fashion or so desperate to feel special, they're willing to convince themselves of it, imo.
I didn't see anything like that in this thread.
You are preaching to the choir. Did you read the part how I relate it to schizophrenia? Besides, I am allowed religion in the U.S.A. and you can think I am crazy for it.
Originally posted by Robtard
If either of you had bothered to read his post, he has on numerous occasions said he isn't an atheist, when knee-jerkingly accused.
I never said he was an atheist, I'm saying he's an antagonist. In everything. He doesn't tell us what he does believe, he doesn't say anything, except for words of opposition. Well, fine, if he thinks that's called debating, fine...
Originally posted by dadudemon
I still don't see it. Please QUOTE it.Well, from the other perspective, you are unknowingly falling for Satan' lies and are losing a wonderful opportunity to work on your eternal progression in this life time.
It was several pages back, when I was following the debate more closely. If you don't want to believe me, I can live with it and you can continue labeling him an atheist.
That, or I can just be a decent person without subscribing to any superstitious nonsense.