Originally posted by Da Pittman
Well I read a bit about it but I'm not clear as to what this intells, I didn't read anything saying that vacuum energy create matter from nothing.
Stephen hawkins A Brief History of Time talks about black holes evaporating. At the event horizon of black hole is the far future, a true vacuum will be created. At that point matter will come into existence as both matter and antimatter. It has been some years sense I read the book, but there you have it. Something coming from nothing. However, vacuum energy might be dark matter. That means that vacuum energy is not empty.
He's referring (I think) to the literal creation of energy from nothing at the quantum level, which defies Einsteinian models and both creates and destroys matter.
This is the basis for 1 of the 2 main theories of a natural origin of the universe. "Nothing", contrary to our intuitive sense of things, is an unstable state at the quantum level...which is why, for example, scientists were so shocked to find a empty patch of "nothing" in space via Hubble telescope photos.
The other involves space-time bent inward infinitely so in the pre-Big Bang universe, to the extent that time itself was not as we currently perceive it and it had the effect of making it possible to the universe to simply be infinite in a temporal sense.
There are others, but those crop up the most.
1- anything that exists is natural.. if it wasn't then it could not exist in this universe... a polluting poison factory is just as natural as a water lily....
2 most major and minor religions agree that in the beginning was chaos, and something stirred it up or otherwise caused order and mater to come from this chaos.... just as superstring theory claims... "god" the creator therefore is just this creative force... the god of the bible is simply an old levantine war god who padded his part a little....I like Philip Pullmans explanation of how GOd (the Authority) came to get hsi job... and also the description in the Book of Enoch, where the LORD sits on the seventh layerr of heaven while God is on the tenth..
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonI might have to read the book, but I'm still not seeing the something from nothing in your post. By my definition of a true vacuum is that there is no matter at all and black holes draw in matter like a giant magnet and bending space and time.
Stephen hawkins A Brief History of Time talks about black holes evaporating. At the event horizon of black hole is the far future, a true vacuum will be created. At that point matter will come into existence as both matter and antimatter. It has been some years sense I read the book, but there you have it. Something coming from nothing. However, vacuum energy might be dark matter. That means that vacuum energy is not empty.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I might have to read the book, but I'm still not seeing the something from nothing in your post. By my definition of a true vacuum is that there is no matter at all and black holes draw in matter like a giant magnet and bending space and time.
All phenomena in the universe is temporal, and changing. The idea of a true vacuum could reflect a non temporal something that is the cause of the temporal universe. However, I'm just brain storming here; I really don't know.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
He's referring (I think) to the literal creation of energy from nothing at the quantum level, which defies Einsteinian models and both creates and destroys matter.This is the basis for 1 of the 2 main theories of a natural origin of the universe. "Nothing", contrary to our intuitive sense of things, is an unstable state at the quantum level...which is why, for example, scientists were so shocked to find a empty patch of "nothing" in space via Hubble telescope photos.
The other involves space-time bent inward infinitely so in the pre-Big Bang universe, to the extent that time itself was not as we currently perceive it and it had the effect of making it possible to the universe to simply be infinite in a temporal sense.
There are others, but those crop up the most.
Yeah, Lee Smolin said something along those lines, that if the singularity is eliminated by some quantum effect the universe does not reach an infinite state of density. Instead it reaches some very high density and allows time to continue indefinitely into the past.
Originally posted by Shakyamunisonpitt_nuts My world is coming to an end, the great eye doesn't have the answer 😛
All phenomena in the universe is temporal, and changing. The idea of a true vacuum could reflect a non temporal something that is the cause of the temporal universe. However, I'm just brain storming here; I really don't know.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Let me clarify, when I said multiple gods I meant Gods of Earth, Fire, Water, ect..In that case are you going to tell me that the idea of Thor- God of Lightning is on par with the idea of a God who created the universe?
If by "on par" you mean same duties, then of course not.
But see, I've never subscribed to the idea that polytheistic religions are somehow less advanced or 'dumber' than monotheistic ones. That's belittling and degrading. If a Scandinavian believes that a flying blond holding a hammer is responsible of the onset of lightning, or if an Indian believes that a purple four-armed guy surrounded by cobras is responsible for sustaining existence, then that's their belief.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But the god you are talking about would not match the biblical god.
What?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If by "on par" you mean same duties, then of course not.But see, I've never subscribed to the idea that polytheistic religions are somehow less advanced or 'dumber' than monotheistic ones. That's belittling and degrading. If a Scandinavian believes that a flying blond holding a hammer is responsible of the onset of lightning, or if an Indian believes that a purple four-armed guy surrounded by cobras is responsible for sustaining existence, then that's their belief.
What?
I'm sorry that it sounds degrading, but we have overwhelming evidence that a flying blond does not generate lightning. It only took time for people to accept that truth.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
What?
Well, the god of the bible, according to the bible, created the universe, but it all went wrong. His creation got so screwed up that he had to sacrifice his only son just to save a few small age like creatures on a tinny planet.
Don't you think that a real god would do a better job? 😆