Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Chance does not exist other then in the minds of humans. I read an article once (I can't find it now) that talked about how nothingness is unstable and will erupt into somethingness.
Still, the big bang was a chance collision of quarks and what have ya... from that came a lot of soup. by chance some soup formed into a planet that was a a perfect distance from the sun, by chance life formed and by chance it mutated and evolved into us.
Originally posted by queeq
Still, the big bang was a chance collision of quarks and what have ya... from that came a lot of soup. by chance some soup formed into a planet that was a a perfect distance from the sun, by chance life formed and by chance it mutated and evolved into us.
But chance is not real. All that chance says is that we don't know, and knowing is not a requirement for the universe.
Webster's dictionary defines marriage as a...
Sorry, wrong debate. Chance means that there were not enough known factors to accurately predict the outcome. It does not have to be a synonym for some sort of mystic misunderstanding.
(not meant to be insulting, it is just that when words have so many different connotations, it's important to use only the most relevant one, in this case the scientific definition)
Originally posted by Quark_666
If God created the big bang, what created God?
What came first??? No Idea, the thought I'm playing with is that we doesn't know what was before the Big Bang we doesn't know what triggered the Big Bang, Could it be God, well in theory since God always have existed it goes well with the omnipresence Theory, but again all speculation, but imo you cannot say that the Big Bang created God when it just as well could be the other way around.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But chance is not real. All that chance says is that we don't know, and knowing is not a requirement for the universe.
you talking in in riddles and being one of those people saying that everything is a human term isnt real is bullshit. of course its a human term, because there is no sentience greater than us to call it sonmething else. therefore chance is real because it is real to us. it is subjective. DEAL WITH IT 😠
Originally posted by Utrigita
What came first??? No Idea, the thought I'm playing with is that we doesn't know what was before the Big Bang we doesn't know what triggered the Big Bang, Could it be God, well in theory since God always have existed it goes well with the omnipresence Theory, but again all speculation, but imo you cannot say that the Big Bang created God when it just as well could be the other way around.
its the chicken and the egg in a bigger scale lol
edit: heh i said chicken, lulz. ( I GET 5 POINTS!!!!!)
Originally posted by chickenlover98
you talking in in riddles and being one of those people saying that everything is a human term isnt real is bullshit. of course its a human term, because there is no sentience greater than us to call it sonmething else. therefore chance is real because it is real to us. it is subjective. DEAL WITH IT 😠
Sure it is real to us, but it is inappropriate to referee to the beginning of the universe without some respect. To say "chance" is to say that the universe did not know... The universe did not have to know. Therefore, it was very deliberate without knowing.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sure it is real to us, but it is inappropriate to referee to the beginning of the universe without some respect. To say "chance" is to say that the universe did not know... The universe did not have to know. Therefore, it was very deliberate without knowing.
Originally posted by queeq
There are other perspectives, but not if you look at life only from an empirical research POV.
there are absolutely zero conscious life forms on this planet that can classify anything except us. we are the most advanced species on earth. if u have some evidence that say chimpanzees are smarter and have intersteller spaceships be my guest. otherwise human definition is the only 1 that will ever friggin matter till we find some alien mofos to come slaughter us all
Originally posted by The big EH
i just had an apithany. i was watching dr. cox's commentary on Sunshine. th big bang happnned, god didn't create the universe. if there is a god, he was created by the big bang, born so evovled that he controls aspects of th universe. what do you think?
Well its great movie inspires you to think great things.
The problem of course is that the big bang theory is still under development.
Something must have created the big bang, otherwise, it contradicts all the laws of physics.
Something cannot come from nothing. Nothing can be created or destroyed.
Originally posted by The big EH
i just had an apithany. i was watching dr. cox's commentary on Sunshine. th big bang happnned, god didn't create the universe. if there is a god, he was created by the big bang, born so evovled that he controls aspects of th universe. what do you think?
1. The Universe, in the grandest sense, Always Was (a simpler proposition than Nothing --> Something). Our particular region of spacetime, bursting into being by way of false-vacuum shift, brane collision, whatever, is but one event, along with countless other events, in an infinite scalar field (think of it as a larger, fractal reflection of virtual particles frothing in and out of our spacetime foam). Implicit is that, given an infinite scalar field with countless "big bang" events, inevitably, at some point, a spacetime with our particular set of life-friendly physical constants will appear. It's a numbers game, nothing more; and unlike a transcendent Intelligent Designer, other spacetimes are theoretically, empirically testable, once sufficient energy is provided (hence why we build ever larger accelerators). The same can not be said, by definition, for a transempirical Designer. However, this does Not, in and of itself, necessarily rule out the existence of "God." Empirically speaking, it just adds a nonessential factor.
2. If we wish to consider "God," then, as an example, the transcendent aspect of God is "His" Infinite Consciousness; the empirical aspect ("His" body) is the infinite scalar field. Problem: how would one prove this? This would require an examination of the scientific method--its applicability in transempirical matters--and what is meant by proof.
Originally posted by Utrigita
What came first??? No Idea, the thought I'm playing with is that we doesn't know what was before the Big Bang we doesn't know what triggered the Big Bang, Could it be God, well in theory since God always have existed it goes well with the omnipresence Theory, but again all speculation, but imo you cannot say that the Big Bang created God when it just as well could be the other way around.
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Any God that created the universe (especially the mono-theistic gods of human religions) is nigh-infinitely complex, and they get around the problem of his creation by using a priori arguments of his perfect and everlasting nature.
Ok, but it's still logically impossible for something to exist without prior cause. That definition may work for the faithful, but fails utterly when presented to anyone else. I'm always surprised that while theists can imagine a God that has no time scale and "always is," they shun the idea that the eternal entity is the universe itself (due to warped time at the singularity point pre-Big Bang).
Beyond that, let's assume a force (we'll call it God) created the universe from nothing, instead of natural forces. The God of any earth religion is one who intervenes on Earth in various ways (paranormal phenomenon, prayer, etc.) and so we should be able to detect evidence of it's existence. That's where it falls apart into sheer faith, because no such evidence exists outside of suspect anecdotes.
If you want to assume a Creator made the universe instead of having rational scientific explanations (which exist and can be defended), go ahead. Personally, I see that as such an unlikely event as to be effectively ignorable.
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Shakya, if you ever find that article on the creation of matter from nothing, send it along to me. I know of similar findings in quantum sciences, but have never read anything on it in depth.