Originally posted by MadMel
that fact that he used TK to slaughter an entire planet by talking should count..no reason why it shouldnt..
if darth isnt allowed to use the force then seph shouldnt be allowed to used nega lifestream or magic 😬
It's just that force power work because you're control over the force > other peoples.
But in other verses the force doesn't exist, so neither does the force within their bodies.
Originally posted by Csdabest
Where did you get it that it was as fast as Chaos Vincent and Omega Weiss?
From interviews with the creators. They said that there is nothing above Sephiroth in FFVII.
seriously. It will just be endless play of Sephiroth gettung his neck TK snapped by Nihilus. And since that is obviously getting the upper hand. DH wins
Sephiroth is not conected to the Force.
He will crush DH's body with TK in the first second of the fight, like he was "crushing"/holding Holy, and the entire party. And Holy alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DH's body.
Originally posted by SHM
From interviews with the creators. They said that there is nothing above Sephiroth in FFVII.Sephiroth is not conected to the Force.
He will crush DH's body with TK in the first second of the fight, like he was "crushing"/holding Holy, and the entire party. And Holy alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DH's body.
so.....he doesnt have to be as fast to be above 🙂
he will crush? he couldnt even crush party and i disagree with Holy "having" to be extremely difficult to hold just because its powerful, power contained is not power at all, can you prove it was pushing against Sephiroths will with a lot of strength or all its power, ofc not and i cant prove either way but i dont assume its definaltey hard to hold just because its powerful.
the only way sephiroth can win is to hold Darth with TK and cut him to pieces if he can actually move long distances or fight while Tking but ive not seen that
Originally posted by SHMPfffft...Nihilus can lift a fleet of ships, and hold together one of those ships telekinetically(it would fall apart if he didn't) while it goes thru Hyperspace, doing this while both keeping his crew mentally enslaved and keeping them alive.
Sephiroth can telekinetically disable eight warriors while holding back a spell with power enough to kill everything on a planet in seconds.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Pfffft...Nihilus can lift a fleet of ships, and hold together one of those ships telekinetically(it would fall apart if he didn't) while it goes thru Hyperspace, doing this while both keeping his crew mentally enslaved and keeping them alive.
That's useless, because Sephiroth is not conected to the Force.
...Nihilus TKs Seph's head off...
Nope, Sephiroth TKs Nihilus head off. Avalanche + Holy > Nihilus' body.
Burning Thought, that's what the creators said:
Yazoo’s bullets couldn’t hit Cloud not because of bad marksmanship but because Cloud was simply too strong.
As you can see, they used the word "strong" to describe Cloud's speed and skill. When they say "character A is stronger than character B", they aren't only talking about physical strength, but speed, skill, power, etc. They are just saying that character A is better than B.
Now, read what they said about Sephiroth:
Kitase said that Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.
Producer Kitase decided that they couldn’t make any other character stronger than Sephiroth in the world of FFVII.
As you can see, there is nothing stronger(faster, more powerful, more skilled, etc) and above Sephiroth in FFVII. And that includes Chaos Vincent and Omega Weiss.
About Holy... It was the ultimate destructive magic. Nothing on the planet could stop it, after being released(and Aerith released it before dying). But Sephiroth could.
It was summoned by Aerith, and was pushing against Sephiroths will with a lot of strength. Strength enough to destroy everything on a planet. And he still could hold it in place, while using his TK to crush the bodies of everyone in Avalanche(and fight with them later).
To tell you guys the truth, that's not even a fight. Sephiroth can control the Negative Lifestream with the power of his mind. What he needs to do, is abandon Jenova's head(the body he used in AC) and use his Lifestream to attack Nihilus, or the planet itself.
Nihilus cannot kill or hurt him(because Seph is nothing more than a spirit, and he is practically the heart of the Negative Lifestream), but Sephiroth can.
Actually, that's something Seph can do in many fights, and IIRC the only reason he didn't do that in AC, is because he wanted to have a physical fight with Cloud and torture him, instead of just destroying the planet instantly.
Originally posted by SHM
[b]Burning Thought, that's what the creators said:As you can see, they used the word "strong" to describe Cloud's speed and skill. When they say "character A is stronger than character B", they aren't only talking about physical strength, but speed, skill, power, etc. They are just saying that character A is better than B.
Now, read what they said about Sephiroth:
As you can see, there is nothing stronger(faster, more powerful, more skilled, etc) and above Sephiroth in FFVII. And that includes Chaos Vincent and Omega Weiss.
About Holy... It was the ultimate destructive magic. Nothing on the planet could stop it, after being released(and Aerith released it before dying). But Sephiroth could.
It was summoned by Aerith, and was pushing against Sephiroths will with a lot of strength. Strength enough to destroy everything on a planet. And he still could hold it in place, while using his TK to crush the bodies of everyone in Avalanche(and fight with them later). [/B]
did they say that about cloud in the same interview, the problem with all this is its a statement that conisdering what has been shown of sephiroth, nothing adds up, so it leads people to belive that what the creator is saying is diffrent also by faster it could not neccerily have to be a great deal either. This is all theory, of what the developer said, when he speaks of Cloud he may well be talking about speed, but that does not mean its the same with Sephiroth, and it also does not mean hes greater in all attributes
hell it could mean exactley what you said "better" but not neccerily greater in every attirbute
also who is Aerith, is she powerful? i mean hell she summoned the thing, she must be incredibly powerful magic user? theres still no logic to think just because its powerful, it immediatley has to be difficult to control, its not exactley a sentient force that can attribute its power to getting free or any of that like a lightning bolt cannot or does not think of dispursing its heat through the planet to destroy Earth when it strikes
Originally posted by Burning thought
did they say that about cloud in the same interview, the problem with all this is its a statement that conisdering what has been shown of sephiroth, nothing adds up, so it leads people to belive that what the creator is saying is diffrent also by faster it could not neccerily have to be a great deal either. This is all theory, of what the developer said, when he speaks of Cloud he may well be talking about speed, but that does not mean its the same with Sephiroth, and it also does not mean hes greater in all attributeshell it could mean exactley what you said "better" but not neccerily greater in every attirbute
also who is Aerith, is she powerful? i mean hell she summoned the thing, she must be incredibly powerful magic user? theres still no logic to think just because its powerful, it immediatley has to be difficult to control, its not exactley a sentient force that can attribute its power to getting free or any of that like a lightning bolt cannot or does not think of dispursing its heat through the planet to destroy Earth when it strikes
Aeris has the highest Magic state in your party.
But i think you've understood Holy wrong. She summoned it, and now it's on the playing field. It's strength is what matter.
Like when Clouds summons Neo Bahamut, That's not Clouds strength, he just have the right matera and the required magic power
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Aeris has the highest Magic state in your party.But i think you've understood Holy wrong. She summoned it, and now it's on the playing field. It's strength is what matter.
Like when Clouds summons Neo Bahamut, That's not Clouds strength, he just have the right matera and the required magic power
she can call the power of Holy, does that mean she is equel to its power, if Sephiroth can stop its movement, why should that be diffrent, he is not actually touching its power neccerily, theres no way of knowing its power is effected by TK, stopping its movement is just movement, not power, Sephiroth is not quenching its power
thats my point, holy power does not equel holies movement, which is all Sephiroth stops
Originally posted by Burning thought
she can call the power of Holy, does that mean she is equel to its power, if Sephiroth can stop its movement, why should that be diffrent, he is not actually touching its power neccerily, theres no way of knowing its power is effected by TK, stopping its movement is just movement, not power, Sephiroth is not quenching its powerthats my point, holy power does not equel holies movement, which is all Sephiroth stops
I figure it's like opened thing gate to a animal. Opening the gate doesn't require much effort. But once it's open, holding it back can be pretty hard.
Originally posted by Burning thought
but holy is not a sentient creature or an animal, i think its closer to being a bowling ball rolling down a wall and having someone put their hand there, which is the TK, an animal can fight back, holy is just a destructive force
Okay, so it's a ball
the catch has been released.
The force required to hold the ball up is equal to the weight.
Physics ftw
Also speed and power has alot to do with it as well
Holy has destructive power to destroy everything on the planet, it has speed that can travel continents in seconds
Aeris was a Cetra, and only she can summon Holy
she can call the power of Holy, does that mean she is equel to its power
Originally posted by Burning thought
the problem with all this is its a statement that conisdering what has been shown of sephiroth, nothing adds up,
seems like no one here reads Star Wars
to enlighten you all:
there are MANY cases of beings not in the Force in SW
there are beings who even have a concentrated anti-Force defense instinct
however TK'ing something has nothing to do with the thing being in the Force
it be like being hit by Force lightning...you may not be in the Force but you're still getting concentrated electricity shot into your body