Darth Nihilus vs. AC Sephiroth

Couldn't EDIT so ill make another post. THIS time more civily so ignore the upperpost.

Originally posted by Becci
First of all, all that was said was that EvilAngel was not going to respond to you.

Originally posted by Becci

Your response to that post was unnecessarily long and ridiculous.

Again my "response" was necessary simply due to the fact that i have proof against her argument and against absurd claims such as "The force exists in non living things" when it has been stated NUMEROUS times in canon that it does not.

How about the fact that i was kind enough to answer for someone else? More notably for someone who has limited knowledge on the subject?

She asked a question to someone else and i chose to answer... with facts, so tell me how does that equate to being unecessary?

How is arguing with FACTS equate to being "ridiculous"?

Originally posted by Becci

Is it of such rare occurance that you own someone that you actually keep the count? Poor thing.

Originally posted by Becci

However, it is admirable that you ask nicely for her to shut up,

Originally posted by Becci

even though you have absolutely no right to make such request,

I DO have to tell her to "shut up" in a sense to stop typing simply because she is making invalid points about SW related material DESPITE being corrected several times.

Originally posted by Becci

since what EvilAngel is discussing- is an unfair but very valid point.

The force cannot work on beings with no midi's when it infact worked on metal and non living object whom don't contain midichlorians?

How about the fact it has been stated that midi's exist only in living things and connect one to the force?

Oh theres more, she even made a claim that the force exist in non living things when it's clear that the force does not exist in non living objects nor is it connected to the force.

So tell me, HOW is she making valid point(s)?

Or the fact that seph can command the lifestream when this fight is in a different setting not connected to the ff7 world?

Again i TOLD her it depends where the setting is, if this IS NOT taking place in the ff7 world, sephiroth CANNOT command the lifestream so how the hell is she making a valid point?

How is she making valid points when she makes claims which are preposterous? Do you actually BOTHER reading my rebuttals? Are are you biased simply due to the fact that i was insulting her at the same time?

The only thing ridiculous and unnecessary were of course my insults which in this only case, i agree with you.

Originally posted by Becci

As for the end, your last line was just pathetic. In case you did not know, IQ can not be decreased by watching porn.

Again since when insults have to be based on facts?

Originally posted by Becci

Porn is visual entertainment and does not in any way effect you negative at mind.
In addition, there is not much Sephiroth porn out there- so even if she would want to, she would not be capable of watching it non-stop.

I merely insulted.

Originally posted by Becci

And what is the whole "Please excuse EvilAngel" shit?

OH wait, how about the fact she herself stated she knew shit about star wars so she had to believe what ever Violent2dope said?

She knows jack about star wars hence the need for my "unnecessary" and "ridiculous" post.

I merely corrected her so again, how does that count as unecessary? I'm merely doing her a favour so she knows what the hell she is debating against.

Originally posted by Becci

Even if the person in matter would have low IQ, it is not something that should be apologized.

Originally posted by Becci

one knows what they are giving themselves into when a person starts a debate.

Hell take a look at furions posts, he seems to know ALOT more than EvilAngel abou star wars yet even he knew so little considering the fact that he has never seen or heard of "palpatine moving at speeds faster than the eye can see". Or the very fact that he does not know the nature of nihilus attacks.

Originally posted by Becci

Oh, and by the way. There is nothing EvilAngel has said that indicate low IQ.

Originally posted by Becci
As if that took any effort 🙄

If one is to insult another, they should at least try to do it well.

Originally posted by Becci

That post of his.... laughable

Why must you persist to be so bothersome?

No one cares about your insults. No one finds you funny or smart. IMO you're painting the picture of a little brat, which can't be considered a good image for anyone.

Your solution to debates is to throw insults at them? very mature -.-'

5. It isn't connected at all, the Midichlorians are the only means for a being to be connected to the Force, Droids lack those, they are in no ways connected, which is why powers like Drain Life or Drain Force don't work on them, hell, in KOTOR2, when you receive the Miraluka Eyes which allow you to see the Force, the Droids are blind to you and lack any Force Aura, compared to any living thing.

^ dark jaxx's post

That logic fails so horribly i can't even understand it. Madmel understood, so i know it's not me thats not making sense. Evilangels response.

This indicates a few this becci.

1)She definately has NO idea what the hell dark is talking about seeing that i and just about every one who knows SW related material well know what he just typed.

2) She couldn't understand the point he was trying to make which is the force attacking non living objects where the force is absent.

3)Jaxx was not using logic, he was using undisputed facts and she refused to accept it hence the claim that it was "horrible logic"

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Why must you persist to be so bothersome?

No one cares about your insults. No one finds you funny or smart. IMO you're painting the picture of a little brat, which can't be considered a good image for anyone.

Your solution to debates is to throw insults at them? very mature -.-'

Now its time to actually destroy your claim once and for all with canon statements.

Midi-chlorians were microscopic life forms that existed inside the cells of all living things. While they were not the Force itself, they formed a link to it, acting as a sort of sensory organ through which it could be perceived. Midi-chlorians enabled the perception of the Force just as having eyes allowed people to see light or having ears allowed them to interpret vibrations as sound. If an individual had enough midi-chlorians in their body they could use them to communicate with the Force. In essence, midi-chlorians were the connection between a being’s mind and the Force, enabling certain sentients to intentionally manipulate it, or allow themselves to be manipulated by it.

Backed up by * Midi-Chlorians: Physiology, Physics, and the Force at TheForce.net
* Star Wars and the Midi-Chlorian Menace at Biology in Science Fiction
* Jedi & Sith: Midi-chlorians at the Star Wars Technical Commentaries

Retrieved from "http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian"

Now before any of you claim "Wiki is fallible!!!!" This has actually been stated and backed up by TFN and more importantly he Star Wars Technical Commentaries

So the final verdict is the force WILL work on beings outside SW.

Hell and even your own video ripped you to pieces, Did you hear yoda state life creates it?

Live with it, accept it and move on with life, the force CAN affect your precious sephiroth and he IS able to lose.

Originally posted by Ivalice

You clearly either didn't read what i'm saying or didn't understand it. That quote supports what i'm saying.

I even quizzeed a friend about it, giving him that statement, my take on it, then your taken, and he said Mine is right. It makes more sense.

Read it properly before you reply. Because you obviously haven't so far.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
You clearly either didn't read what i'm saying or didn't understand it. That quote supports what i'm saying.

the Midichlorians are the only means for a being to be connected to the Force, Droids lack those, they are in no ways connected, which is why powers like Drain Life or Drain Force don't work on them,

hell, in KOTOR2, when you receive the Miraluka Eyes which allow you to see the Force, the Droids are blind to you and lack any Force Aura, compared to any living thing.

Basically this ability allows you to see a beings force sensitivity as well as their dark/light affliation. Hell and it only works on beings connected to the force meaning that when peered upon droids, it just shows a blank empty gray spot meaning that droids do NOT emit a force aura a.k.a not being connected to the force.

^ This makes 100% sense if you actually knew SW material well.

Originally posted by EvilAngel

I even quizzeed a friend about it, giving him that statement, my take on it, then your taken, and he said Mine is right. It makes more sense.

You asked your friend, and because he is your friend, there would be obvious bias, again i don't really care about his opinion because the canon facts states otherwise.

Originally posted by EvilAngel

Read it properly before you reply. Because you obviously haven't so far.

Ivalice, this is the internet, not the US, and you do NOT have freedom of speech on here. It doesn't exist on the internet. If you don't follow the rules of the site, you are not allowed on here.

And despite having just been warned for bashing and insulting people, you've kept it up, and I am requesting a temp ban for you.

Originally posted by Ivalice
Couldn't EDIT so ill make another post. THIS time more civily so ignore the upperpost.

But i feel the need to post seeing he/she/it is typing unsupported bullshit my friend as well as her posts consist of crap which is not backed up by anything such as "the force exists in metal" or shit like "has a jedi ever countered with TK" when the fact remains that they DID.
Posting facts is unnecessary?

Again my "response" was necessary simply due to the fact that i have proof against her argument and against absurd claims such as "The force exists in non living things" when it has been stated NUMEROUS times in canon that it does not.

How about the fact that i was kind enough to answer for someone else? More notably for someone who has limited knowledge on the subject?

She asked a question to someone else and i chose to answer... with facts, so tell me how does that equate to being unecessary?

How is arguing with FACTS equate to being "ridiculous"?

And what is wrong with counting how many times a user gets owned when it becomes necessary to remind a person that the reason why they are getting owned is simply due to the fact that i have proof against their most of the time unsupported arguments backed up by nothing?

Keep your failed sarcasms to yourself seeing that i am unimpressed at a sad and miserably failed attempt at trying to be sarcastic.
Freedom of speech.
So under the law i DO have the right to say or in this case type what i want to. Hell and it isn't against the rules seeing the mods stated it is NOT a form of bashing.

I DO have to tell her to "shut up" in a sense to stop typing simply because she is making invalid points about SW related material DESPITE being corrected several times.
A valid point? That TKing 8 people is greater than TKING a large ship? What valid point? Or what?

The force cannot work on beings with no midi's when it infact worked on metal and non living object whom don't contain midichlorians?

How about the fact it has been stated that midi's exist only in living things and connect one to the force?

Oh theres more, she even made a claim that the force exist in non living things when it's clear that the force does not exist in non living objects nor is it connected to the force.

So tell me, HOW is she making valid point(s)?

Or the fact that seph can command the lifestream when this fight is in a different setting not connected to the ff7 world?

Again i TOLD her it depends where the setting is, if this IS NOT taking place in the ff7 world, sephiroth CANNOT command the lifestream so how the hell is she making a valid point?

How is she making valid points when she makes claims which are preposterous? Do you actually BOTHER reading my rebuttals? Are are you biased simply due to the fact that i was insulting her at the same time?

The only thing ridiculous and unnecessary were of course my insults which in this only case, i agree with you.

I guess you never heard the concept of being sarcastic and wanting to insult for the sake of doing so?

Again since when insults have to be based on facts?
See the above. And i never [b]factually stated that watching porn decreases IQ, just because i made a claim does not mean i necessarily believe in it.

I merely insulted.

The fact she does not know how to debate nor form cogent arguments supported by canon material until constantly pressured to do so?

OH wait, how about the fact she herself stated she knew shit about star wars so she had to believe what ever Violent2dope said?

She knows jack about star wars hence the need for my "unnecessary" and "ridiculous" post.

I merely corrected her so again, how does that count as unecessary? I'm merely doing her a favour so she knows what the hell she is debating against.

Again it was an insult, see the above.
Yet she doesn't seeing that she has very limited knowledge on star wars.

Hell take a look at furions posts, he seems to know ALOT more than EvilAngel abou star wars yet even he knew so little considering the fact that he has never seen or heard of "palpatine moving at speeds faster than the eye can see". Or the very fact that he does not know the nature of nihilus attacks.

Just because i said she did doesn't mean she did, again it was an insult which did not derive from fact.

Insults are insult friend, you don't "try" to make it good, you just go.

Why thank you, it was meant to be funny weather sarcastically or not. [/B]

Why does everyone have to split posts up? It is a lot easier to respond if you just gather all the text at one place. Of course, I would not bother answer the things you said either way, since you seem to be more or less the kind of person that find it enjoyable to insult and "pwn" other people. The kind of person that wants to get into heated discussions with other members and their faults, rather than discussing the actual topic.

Originally posted by Ivalice

You haven't smahed my theory because you haven't said anythnig that touches it. Read it and you'll know why that is

I never told him whose opinion was which whiles asking, heck i mde it sounds like it was two other people. So bias is out the window. I explained the facts, i explained what your saying, and what i'm saying. He said that the theory i am using makes more sense, and that your one is distorted and doesn't cover many things. Aswell as saying there are things from the movies that tell you that has to be wrong.

So either your not explaining it right or you're just wrong.

You don't have to?? ....... okay, that is why you currently and maybe always will suck at debating, you don't even know what it is your debatng against. I'm not saying Sephiroth will win. I'm trynig to show you why the force in theory should not work on being outside of the force.

You're tellnig me why it works on droids, which is not the same point as i'm making, just go and READ IT.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
You haven't smahed my theory because you haven't said anythnig that touches it. Read it and you'll know why that is

Originally posted by EvilAngel

I never told him whose opinion was which whiles asking, heck i mde it sounds like it was two other people. So bias is out the window. I explained the facts, i explained what your saying, and what i'm saying. He said that the theory i am using makes more sense, and that your one is distorted and doesn't cover many things. Aswell as saying there are things from the movies that tell you that has to be wrong.

Hell and if you could actually read which you clearly can't or had the ability to listen when a video is playing, yoda even states Life creates the force meaning he was referring to living beings

Secondly what the hell do you know about star wars canon? You know absolute shit and you claim to know the facts.

Lastly you have YET to prove a damm thing, find a quote and source which states the force or midi's exist in metal or droids because if something does NOT contain Midi's, they are NOT connected to the force.

My point i'm making? The force affects those without Midi's and force connections which is what you ARE trying to discuss. Note the word "trying".

Originally posted by EvilAngel

So either your not explaining it right or i'm just wrong.

Originally posted by EvilAngel

You don't have to?? ....... okay, that is why you currently and maybe always will suck at debating,

Originally posted by EvilAngel

you don't even know what it is your debatng against. I'm not saying Sephiroth will win. I'm trynig to show you why the force in theory should not work on being outside of the force.

YOU claimed that they would work only on beings with midi's and i debunked that.

YOU claimed that the force exists in metal and i debunked that with the passage i posted when it stated that when something does not have midichlorians, they simply are not connected to the force hence they do NOT emit a force aura.

And despite "Not being connected in any way to the force or emitting a force aura", they still get destroyed and effected by force based attacks which brings up that they CAN work on beings outside of star wars.

YOU have yet to prove a damn thing and the burden of proof FALLS on YOU.

Originally posted by EvilAngel

You're tellnig me why it works on droids, which is not the same point as i'm making, just go and READ IT.

Originally posted by Lana
Ivalice, this is the internet, not the US, and you do NOT have freedom of speech on here. It doesn't exist on the internet. If you don't follow the rules of the site, you are not allowed on here.

Originally posted by Lana

And despite having just been warned for bashing and insulting people, you've kept it up, and I am requesting a temp ban for you.

Hell i tried to edit my last post before that long post but i couldn't.

And again, i would not have flamed if "becci" didn't attempt to call me out of the process and actually goad me or if the fact that EvilAngel actually read what i posted.

Originally posted by Ivalice
And working on droids whom have no force connection and midi would equate to working on non star wars characters.

I can't say anything until you go back, read what i posted and realise that is entirely what i'm saying.....

Seriously, get your head out your butt and read what i'm saying....

Until i know you've read it, back on ignore

It is true that droids have no inner connection with the force and are still effected. That can not be disproven since it is the actual case. I also believe there was some other creature in the SW universe that was not connected to the force (Living creature).

I do think that Nihilus powers should be usable in fights, and not only in fights taking place in his own universe. There is no saying that the force does not exist here and now. There is only saying that no one has learnt to master it. It could very well be here- we just can not use or sense it.

Originally posted by Becci
It is true that droids have no inner connection with the force and are still effected. That can not be disproven since it is the actual case. I also believe there was some other creature in the SW universe that was not connected to the force (Living creature).

According to the unifying force the yuuzhan vongs were cut off the force by their own homeworld hence they are blinded to the force which also brings up the issue that they get some form of force immunity, however they are still connected to the force.

The only reason they were not completely cut off the force is due to the fact in star wars, if your force bond gets destroyed and not blinded, you die instantly.

Originally posted by Becci

I do think that Nihilus powers should be usable in fights, and not only in fights taking place in his own universe. There is no saying that the force does not exist here and now. There is only saying that no one has learnt to master it. It could very well be here- we just can not use or sense it.

So thats why settings are important, so some random world with the force and lifestream should clear this up, because if sephiroth was in star wars universe, he would be at a great dusadvantage and if it was nihilus or any jedi in sephiroths world, they too would be at a disadvantage.

And again, i would not have flamed if "becci" didn't attempt to call me out of the process and actually goad me or if the fact that EvilAngel actually read what i posted.

That excuse does not work. Bashing is bashing, regardless of who started it, and you had been told to stop multiple times.

As this thread is bringing nothing but hostility, I am closing it.