Darth Nihilus vs. AC Sephiroth

Originally posted by Burning thought
did they say that about cloud in the same interview, the problem with all this is its a statement that conisdering what has been shown of sephiroth, nothing adds up, so it leads people to belive that what the creator is saying is diffrent also by faster it could not neccerily have to be a great deal either. This is all theory, of what the developer said, when he speaks of Cloud he may well be talking about speed, but that does not mean its the same with Sephiroth, and it also does not mean hes greater in all attributes

hell it could mean exactley what you said "better" but not neccerily greater in every attirbute

Something you have to understand, is that the Lifestream is the source of some physical atributes too. Omega Weiss was that fast, only because of Omega(aka the Lifestream itself). And Sephiroth have control over a great part of the Lifestream.
Pick this fact, add the interviews with the creators, and I think it's obvious what they mean by "stronger".

also who is Aerith, is she powerful? i mean hell she summoned the thing, she must be incredibly powerful magic user? theres still no logic to think just because its powerful, it immediatley has to be difficult to control, its not exactley a sentient force that can attribute its power to getting free or any of that like a lightning bolt cannot or does not think of dispursing its heat through the planet to destroy Earth when it strikes

From what I remember, Holy IS a sentient force. It's decide what is good to the planet, and what is bad to the planet, destroying the later. The humans were bad to the planet(sucking it's life force with their Mako Reactors), but for some reason Holy decided to not destroy them.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I figure it's like opened thing gate to a animal. Opening the gate doesn't require much effort. But once it's open, holding it back can be pretty hard.

That's a good analogy.

Originally posted by 123KID
seems like no one here reads Star Wars
to enlighten you all:
there are MANY cases of beings not in the Force in SW
there are beings who even have a concentrated anti-Force defense instinct
however TK'ing something has nothing to do with the thing being in the Force
it be like being hit by Force lightning...you may not be in the Force but you're still getting concentrated electricity shot into your body

It doesn't really matter. Sephiroth don't need a physical body to fight. He is basically the "heart" of the Negative Lifestream. He can attack Nihilus, but Nihilus can do nothing against him.

Originally posted by SHM
That's useless, because Sephiroth is not conected to the Force.

Nope, Sephiroth TKs Nihilus head off. Avalanche + Holy > Nihilus' body.

2. Haha. Nihilus' TK is about a trillion times greater than Sephiroth's.

When I saw this thread, I thought it was a plain out flying sword fight, not a Force/Lifestream/TK/whatever battle.

Originally posted by DarkC
When I saw this thread, I thought it was a plain out flying sword fight, not a Force/Lifestream/TK/whatever battle.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Nihilus doesn't need his saber tho.

And Sephiroth doesn't need a body. Nihilus will use his TK against what? The air? XD

Seph abandon Jenova's body, summons Negative Lifestream with his mind, and makes it instantly attack Nihilus from all sides with all of it's power(power to destroy Meteor, or to kill all life in a planet, etc.). Nihilus dies without even finding Sephiroth, because Seph is not there. Well... Not phisically there.

Originally posted by SHM
And Sephiroth doesn't need a body. Nihilus will use his TK against what? The air? XD

Seph abandon Jenova's body, summons Negative Lifestream with his mind, and makes it attack Nihilus from all sides, with all of it's power(power to destroy Meteor, or transform an entire planet in a dead vessel, etc.). Nihilus dies without even finding Sephiroth, because Seph is not there. Well... Not phisically there.

Prove Sephiroth can use the Nega Lifestream without his body. He has never used it for that purpose before.

Sephiroth doesent really have to try. Its not as easy as snapping necks, its about skill, speed and strength. Sephiroth is a genius and is a master swordsman. Most likely has more abilities than Nihilus.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Nihilus doesn't need a body either, he existed by attaching his soul to his armor, or something to escape death.

Seph destroys the armor then.

Prove Sephiroth can use the Nega Lifestream without his body.

He summoned the Negative Lifestream(that covered the sky) and made it descend in the form of tendrils. All with the power of his mind.
And even before the movie started, he created Yazoo, Loz and Kadaj(beings composed of Negative Lifestream).

The only reason he used a body in AC was to have a phisycal fight with Cloud(and that's why he only used his sword). He didn't want to destroy the planet without making Cloud suffer first.

He has never used it for that purpose before.

What purpose? Destroy all life in the planet? That's exactly what he was doing in AC.

Originally posted by SHM
Seph destroys the armor then.

He summoned the Negative Lifestream(that covered the sky) and made it descend in the form of tendrils. All with the power of his mind.
And even before the movie started, he created Yazoo, Loz and Kadaj(beings composed of Negative Lifestream).

The only reason he used a body in AC was to have a phisycal fight with Cloud(and that's why he only used his sword). He didn't want to destroy the planet without making Cloud suffer first.

What purpose? Destroy all life in the planet? That's exactly what he was doing in AC.

2. I see. So you're speculating. Nihilus can still with one gesture fry him, drain him, and TK him at the same time.

3. No, I mean do it without a body.

Originally posted by Furion
If Darth could use the force on Seph, Seph would lose. However since seph is not connected to the force, it would pretty much be a sword battle. Plus Seph's as of AC is made of the lifestream is it not, I forget. He did make it appear out of nothing.

Nihilus would DESTROY sephiroth with ease, come one a force user vs a non force user? Ever heard of a jedi's precognitive abilities which in many cases against non jedi opponents makes them virtually OMNI POTENT? Or the very fact that nihilus can induce attacks on sephiroth where he CANNOT defend against?

the thing is, once a jedi is dead, theyre dead period. Sephiroth can physically die but his will/concience never dies, he is still able to do things after he is dead, Sephiroth died before the FF7 game even begins, he just reforms his body and uses his willpower to control jenova parts into himself, he died a 2nd time and manifested phsyical beings, while he was infecting the entire planet

Originally posted by Terryc250
the thing is, once a jedi is dead, theyre dead period.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Sephiroth can physically die but his will/concience never dies,

Originally posted by Terryc250

he is still able to do things after he is dead, Sephiroth died before the FF7 game even begins, he just reforms his body and uses his willpower to control jenova parts into himself, he died a 2nd time and manifested phsyical beings, while he was infecting the entire planet

Even the not so powerful darth sion could so something far more amazing than your boyfriend sephiroth by having incredible will power that it made him nearly physically invincible.

Originally posted by Ivalice
Right and there are jedi and sith which are powerful enough to destroy ones will

Right and nihilus whom isn't the most powerful sith nor jedi could escape death by merely wishing to transfer his spirit into something else or he like any other sith lord could become an intangible force ghost whom can still destroy their opponents.

Even the not so powerful darth sion could so something far more amazing than your boyfriend sephiroth by having incredible will power that it made him nearly physically invincible.

Originally posted by Ivalice
O rly? Never heard of a force ghost huh?

Right and there are jedi and sith which are powerful enough to destroy ones will

Originally posted by Terryc250
Show me them destroying someones will as powerful as Sephiroth, or even remotely close.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Sephiroth can become intangible as well,

Originally posted by Terryc250

he doesnt need to "transer" his spirit into anything,

Originally posted by Terryc250

he can summon a city sized NL instantly, and there'll be nothing he can do too escape from it

How about the fact that sephiroth CANNOT defend against force attacks?

Originally posted by Terryc250

My boyfriend Sephiroth? Sephiroth is a VG character, and i'm just debating his powers,

Originally posted by Terryc250

but dude.. don't go trying to call me homosexual,

Originally posted by Terryc250

i mean look at ur sig and avatar.. you should be worrying about urself

Oh and please DO learn how to spell properly because the way you type makes you a joke.

Originally posted by Furion
Ya but can Force Ghosts actually do anything besides give advice?

Originally posted by Furion

I lol at you for thinking he can destroy Seph's will.

Darth sion? Whoms will is more powerful than sephiroth seeing he survived on mere will power alone?

Again this is another claim you haver yet to ever prove. If he can become intangible, why was he killed twice?

Right and nihilus can send a mere choke attack before sephiroth does anything and seph cant do anything about it. Oh right ever heard of PRECOGNITION? Which allows nihilus to forsee EVERY attack sephiroth can come up with and that allows him to counter every single for coming attack?

How about the fact that sephiroth CANNOT defend against force attacks?

Debate? The REAL question is can you actually debate seeing that everytime you open your mouth to let sephiroths dick slide in

Oh? And what is that suppose to mean? I looooovvvveee sylar

Oh and please DO learn how to spell properly because the way you type makes you a joke.

Dark-Jaxx is my new best friend 🙂

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Nihius with a handgesture will crush Sephiroth. He could be draining his life, electrocuting him, and TKing him at the same time, as he has done it.

Yeah, because Sephiroth would just stay there, doing nothing. 🙄

Sephiroth uses the mental power he was using on Holy, against Nihilus. The Sith guy dies instantly.

2. I see. So you're speculating. Nihilus can still with one gesture fry him, drain him, and TK him at the same time.

Hahahaha! I'm speculating?! Did you read the Reunion Files? Hell, did you even watch Advent Children?! Sephiroth can control the Negative Lifestream with his mind, that's a fact. Anyone who watched AC(and read the Files) knows that.

3. No, I mean do it without a body.

Again:
He summoned the Negative Lifestream in seconds and made it descend in the form of tendrils with the power of his mind, in the end of AC.
And even before the movie started, he(without a physical body) used the Negative Lifestream to create Yazoo, Loz and Kadaj(spirit bodies composed of Negative Lifestream and part of his will, as explained in the Reunion Files).

Originally posted by Ivalice
come one a force user vs a non force user? Ever heard of a jedi's precognitive abilities which in many cases against non jedi opponents makes them virtually OMNI POTENT?

Let me guess, you are one of those guys who thinks a Jedi or Sith can win of Superman and Goku. 🙄

And talking about "precognition"... Jenova cells have the power of reading the mind of others. Sephiroth is 100% Jenova in AC.
He knows everything Nihilus will do, before he does it.

But anyway, I'll not talk with you anymore. Looking at you arguing with Terry and insulting him, it's pretty obvious you are one of those SW fanboys/trolls(like Thiru and many others).

SW fanboys should learn to debate without insulting others.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Yeah ok, and i bet you cannot prove any of this, has he ever willed himself back alive?

Oh but i can fanboy, ever played kotor 2? He wills himself back alive.

Seriously go play the game dumbass then comeback arguing like a petty kid.

Originally posted by Terryc250

The same reason all antagonists lose to weaker characters, Plot Induced Stupidity

Originally posted by Terryc250

Precognition doesnt make you invincible, itll only make DH see his death faster, unless he can teleport.

And precognition DOES make you supremely powerful, ever heard of for seeing a forcoming attack and countering the attack making it useless?

Originally posted by Terryc250

How about the fact that DH cannot defend against the NL

Whats to say that he can even defend himself from being outright possessed by nihilus?

Originally posted by Terryc250

Ok ur getting quite disgusting with your homosexual comments, i dont know what goes through ur mind but its quite disturbing, i'd rather not hear about it, and i'm sure the other board members feel the same

Again you can't debate for shit.

Originally posted by Terryc250

ok.. i'd rather not hear about ur love for males.

Originally posted by Terryc250

o NoeZ plz give me n F NAOW!!11 I love what people resort to when they're getting owned debate-wise

So tell me, how am i getting owned? Oh right its the other way around.

Originally posted by SHM
Yeah, because Sephiroth would just stay there, doing nothing. 🙄

Originally posted by SHM

Sephiroth uses the mental power he was using on Holy, against Nihilus. The Sith guy dies instantly.

Originally posted by SHM
Let me guess, you are one of those guys who thinks a Jedi or Sith can win of Superman and Goku. 🙄

Originally posted by SHM

And talking about "precognition"... Jenova cells have the power of reading the mind of others.

Originally posted by SHM

Sephiroth is 100% Jenova in AC.

Oh right if he actually had intangibility, he would have AMPLE time to use it before cloud omnislashes him.

If he could actually forsee all of clouds attack, then he would have known not to goad him but instead kill him rather than talk shit and give cloud the upperhand.

Originally posted by SHM

He knows everything Nihilus will do, before he does it.

Originally posted by SHM

But anyway, I'll not talk with you anymore. Looking at you arguing with Terry and insulting him, it's pretty obvious you are one of those SW fanboys/trolls(like Thiru and many others).

Again its not an insult when its a fact, terry IS an idiot.

Originally posted by SHM

SW fanboys should learn to debate without insulting others.