Fuzzy Hawkeye & Newjak Present: The Magical Mystery Tourney

You have done a good job NJ, but things are in disarray because of Red and people dropping. Here are my suggestions, and I hope you take them, because they seem to be what will make everyone happy

Give Paul and Bran points for the matches they would have had, but their opponent forfeited. If whoever is in charge had just put up a thread, we know that they would have posted, and won (even on a forfeit). It is not their fault at all for things being the way they are - who is to blame is something entirely different.

Give Gundam a set amount of points, behind EVERYONE, but enough that he can win if he can.

You cannot be fair to everyone, and frankly, you take everyone points that we earned, I drop right then, and I can tell you most everyone else will too.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Hey, you were the one starting this "what's more unfair" thing.

Personally, I find it much less fair to nix all of our hard work because the guys in charge couldn't get their shit together, and because somebody entered late, rather than just distribute the points out and they should be obviously distributed.

To be blunt, that sounds like BS. Whether you guys got around to posting a match or not shouldn't matter. For my match, as soon as the deadline struck, if the write-ups weren't in, then the poster was out. And I have it on good authority that Trick said from the beginning he didn't give a shit about it. So... yeah, strikes me to be a mighty fine excuse.

Bran and Paul were ready from beginning, and somebody's getting dicked over... because a single match wasn't posted? WTF technicality is that?

The points should be distributed 2, 2, and 1... but whether they get dicked over is, again, your call. I know Paul's prep was ready long before they needed to get it in. Hell, it was ready for the first match... but again, screw us over thanks to a faulty technicality.

... Ok, fine, your call. And if this continues to happen throughout the tournament, or similar BS, I'll join Blair in Spain. srug

But I'll sit quietly through this, as inept as it would be.

I find taking away an edge that everybody else has worked for because you can't bring yourself to compensate for screwing over Paul and Bran, and because one guy entered late extremely "unfair".

With all respect to Gundam, entering a tournament late comes with drawbacks. Not being able to reset a whole tournament for one man is one of those drawbacks.

He still can win. It's just harder.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You have done a good job NJ, but things are in disarray because of Red and people dropping. Here are my suggestions, and I hope you take them, because they seem to be what will make everyone happy

Give Paul and Bran points for the matches they would have had, but their opponent forfeited. If whoever is in charge had just put up a thread, we know that they would have posted, and won (even on a forfeit). It is not their fault at all for things being the way they are - who is to blame is something entirely different.

Give Gundam a set amount of points, behind EVERYONE, but enough that he can win if he can.

You cannot be fair to everyone, and frankly, you take everyone points that we earned, I drop right then, and I can tell you most everyone else will too.

I would also like to point that whether or not I remove points the tourney will not be longer or shorter time wise.

And exactly how many points do I give him BW 😬

And Bran and PR ould have only had one match that could be determined with a winner.

Originally posted by Newjak
Actually considering you have won two matches already and he would have team with you at some point, it is statistically impossible for Gundam to advance to the championship round 😬

And, if we do, that's yet another reason not to throw out the points record. Bring him up to 3 points total if you want, or hold Paul/Bran/Gundam's match quickly or separately.

But throwing out wins means starting this whole thing from scratch due to one participant...

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
With the capacity to win 3 points in one round, that's not true... unless we have way less matches than I think we do.

And, if we do, that's yet another reason not to throw out the points record. Bring him up to 3 points total if you want, or hold Paul/Bran/Gundam's match quickly or separately.

But throwing out wins means starting this whole thing from scratch due to one participant...

And with only four people per pool there will only be three team matches per pool so that's a total of 6 points without Lam and DL though.

Considering you would have 4 already for two wins. In order for him to meet with you he would have to win all three of his matches.

That would give him 6 points considering though that he must team up with you for one match to get that win he can only tie you at best.

So just in order to tie you he needs to win everything and hope you don't win more than one.

If I give him three points then that is saying he had at least one win.

I mean like I said I'm not opposed to idea but I want it to be unanimous with it.

And once again even if I reset the match totals it will not take any longer than if I didn't.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's actually only two points, 3 if you win without a partner.

And with only four people per pool there will only be three team matches per pool so that's a total of 6 points without Lam and DL though.

Considering you would have 4 already for two wins. In order for him to meet with you he would have to win all three of his matches.

Originally posted by Newjak
That would give him 6 points considering though that he must team up with you for one match to get that win he can only tie you at best.

Originally posted by Newjak
So just in order to tie you he needs to win everything and hope you don't win more than one.

If I give him three points then that is saying he had at least one win.

I mean like I said I'm not opposed to idea but I want it to be unanimous with it.

And once again even if I reset the match totals it will not take any longer than if I didn't.

Alternatively, you could reorganize the olympic pooling and have the best two from each pool progress into the semi-finals, and then the best two from the semi-finals into the finals.

Points would be reset upon progression into the semis.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Actually, I have 5 points. But he doesn't need to match me to make the championship.

Again, assuming that he doesn't get 3 points from a no-show partner, and he doesn't need to match me to make Championship match.

I'd be fine with alloting him 2 or 3 points.

Alternatively, you could reorganize the olympic pooling and have the best two from each pool progress into the semi-finals, and then the best two from the semi-finals into the finals.

Points would be reset upon progression into the semis.

Did you beat someone without a partner and with them having one?

Considering how everyone who is left except for Gundam have all always turned in OP posts I doubt we will have a no show.

And I don't want to do that. This thing has already been way to drawn out, and way to time consuming. Plus taking two people from a 4 person pool to have a semis. Seems kinda redundant to me.

I'd rather just take the top person from each pool and have on final match. That way this thing could be wrapped up in as little as a month.

Edit: I just want to let you guys know I am thinking about all the options you are giving me.

Originally posted by Newjak
How do you have five?

Did you beat someone without a partner and with them having one?

I beat someone with a partner - 2 points, and then I beat someone without a partner - 3 points.

It obviously would have been easier if my partner would have shown up for match 2, and that would have earned me two points.

Considering they still earn a point from losing without a partner, that earns them 1 point.

Still a difference of two.

Gundam missed the first battle, but tried to show up for the second... which would at least give him one, if we had actually debated.

you don't have to worry about my feelings, i totally understand the context of the matter and the feelings of the posters with solid victories.
they don't deserve a reboot just for my sake. after all, this is all for fun RIGHT....
😉

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
No, but that was never part of the arrangement.

I beat someone with a partner - 2 points, and then I beat someone without a partner - 3 points.

It obviously would have been easier if my partner would have shown up for match 2, and that would have earned me two points.

Considering they still earn a point from losing without a partner, that earns them 1 point.

Still a difference of two.

The three points is what you get if you don't have a partner and the other team has two people. It's a reward for being put up against the odds.

You only had to go against one other person, therefore you were not at a disadvantage. I'm only going to give you 2 points for that win.

As for the record, the amouth of points earned by participants by now (after 2 matches):
Leonidas- 4 pt (2 wins with a partner)
Smurph- 4 pt (win with a partner, win in one-at-one showdown)
B-Dub- 3 points (win with a partner, loss without a partner)
Charlotte DeBel- 2 points (win with a partner)
Akuki- 2 points (win with a partner)
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Note: I didn't count 1-to-1 matches as handicaps, since none of the sides is at disadvantage compared to another one there.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think you may be missing the concept of that rule Smurph.

The three points is what you get if you don't have a partner and the other team has two people. It's a reward for being put up against the odds.

You only had to go against one other person, therefore you were not at a disadvantage. I'm only going to give you 2 points for that win.

I was at a disadvantage... the fact that my opponent was as well is irrelevant.

2 points is given at even matchup (2 on 2 or 1 on 1)
3 points at winning 1 vs 2
1 point at losing 1 vs 2

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
How many points would I have gotten for a victory if I had my partner?

I was at a disadvantage... the fact that my opponent was as well is irrelevant.

But you didn't have a partner and neither did Akuki therefore there was no handicap for you to be entitled to get 3 points. That is the point of the three point rule is that you won overcoming the odds of a 2 vs 1 match. Now I can see you arguing about keeping your points, which it looks like will happen as no one has spoken against it, but there is no wiggle room for argument on this, you were not against the odds, you were not at a disadvantage compared to your opponent.

You get 2 points.

keep points, take them away, i don't care what's done with them. for all that it matters to me you could just say that what has happened already was the first rd of the tourney and that everyone made it into the second rd and starts back at square 1. just declare that smurph won his pool, i won mine. congrats to us! nwoot

whatever. just tell me we have a few hours for prep and where it is. i'm gonna presume (since it would just be a continuation of the pool) that i'll still be going against bw and charlotte but this time instead of marty, it will be gundam? if i'm wrong, no worries, just kinda the way i was envisioning it happening.

ps--by 'no worries' i mean i'll be pissed since i already wrote up a plan for dealing with bw and charlotte!

Originally posted by leonidas
keep points, take them away, i don't care what's done with them. for all that it matters to me you could just say that what has happened already was the first rd of the tourney and that everyone made it into the second rd and starts back at square 1. just declare that smurph won his pool, i won mine. congrats to us! nwoot

whatever. just tell me we have a few hours for prep and where it is. i'm gonna presume (since it would just be a continuation of the pool) that i'll still be going against bw and charlotte but this time instead of marty, it will be gundam? if i'm wrong, no worries, just kinda the way i was envisioning it happening.

ps--by 'no worries' i mean i'll be pissed since i already wrote up a plan for dealing with bw and charlotte!

I'll give Gundam, PR, and Bran each 2 points.

The prep areas and time will be up tonight sometime.

Newjak, do you need help with some of the bureaucratic duties of the tourney? If so I can help out (in Red's absence).

Originally posted by illadelph12
Newjak, do you need help with some of the bureaucratic duties of the tourney? If so I can help out (in Red's absence).

Whatever you think is necessary. After seeing what happened to my tourney I don't want it to happen to another one.