Batman Forever wasn't as bad as Batman & Robin

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
ICAM.

I think Nolan has done countless things I didn't approve of as a Batman fan but I am not as anal as some are. If it's a good watchable movie I go with it. I am also a big reader and many of the movies I see aren't faithful adaptions of the books I've read but I deal if it's a good movie.

All the bitching about Burton's movies is pretty funny considering what Nolan gets away with just because he got to reboot a franchise that became a huge joke. To me they both took pretty unnecessary liberties but I enjoyed both movies so I'm pretty good with it. I just laugh at the idea that Nolan's is the definitive Batman. My definitive Batman movie doesn't have a nobody character like Rachel Dawes stinking up the screen and Ras Al Ghul training Bruce Wayne 😆

And my definitive Joker isn't just some freak who puts on clown make up either. But if the movie is good, again I'll deal and just look at it as a specific interpretation of Batman on its own and a movie that is either good or bad.

QTF

It is better compered to B&R and Val does a good job presenting different aspects of Bruce Wayne, Robin had a great introduction, the fact that they took two very good villains one of which is a member of Batman's big three and screwed him up annoyed me greatly, don't get me wrong I liked some of the Riddlers humor, fact is Riddler is not a Joker clone; he certainly does not make jokes every 3 seconds in a comic panel like he does on screen; someone please tell me what was with that box?

The fact that both villains are unlike there comic selves is very annoying, and a shame for the villains, since they are confined to being goofy tricksters, instead of being allowed the freedom of developing into the dark persona's of the comic, instead they cut all of that development in favor of big battles and some strange palace on a rock in the sea.

Still not as bad as pun king Freeze......but not far off.

I found Val's Batman and Bruce very wooden.

Wooden?

What the hell does that mean?

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
It is better compered to B&R and Val does a good job presenting different aspects of Bruce Wayne, Robin had a great introduction, the fact that they took two very good villains one of which is a member of Batman's big three and screwed him up annoyed me greatly, don't get me wrong I liked some of the Riddlers humor, fact is Riddler is not a Joker clone; he certainly does not make jokes every 3 seconds in a comic panel like he does on screen; someone please tell me what was with that box?

The fact that both villains are unlike there comic selves is very annoying, and a shame for the villains, since they are confined to being goofy tricksters, instead of being allowed the freedom of developing into the dark persona's of the comic, instead they cut all of that development in favor of big battles and some strange palace on a rock in the sea.

Still not as bad as pun king Freeze......but not far off.

I feel you, & i state again..."remember that in Bats 3 & 4, they tried to make it all bubble gummy !!! campy if you will! at the time it was a modern version of the original series from the 1960's. sure there were no *BAMS & POWS* but take a look at its resemblance

...the Duo making public appearances to talk to reporters and @ public auctions-owning a Bat American Express card-making corny ass punch lines while fighting-corny villain portrayal-the Villains making even worse corny ass punch lines & trying to be funny! its all updated from the 60's version!

GTF Outta here! we all know this not to be the true B-Mans M.O!
but thats what they tried to play it off as. i mean me & my friends get a kick of watching that stupidity...the lines are so gay u just have to laugh! its like WTF he just actually said that s*#t! LOL!
So anyway IMO thats why i dont find his acting bad, it was just an all around corny writing scheme for the flicks!
Burton had it at a decent tone with the first 2,(just like B-Man Begins is dark toned) but then again all Burtons films are all pretty dark anyway!"

I have some friends I have talked with who they never saw batman Forever because they were so disgusted with the first two batman movies that they couldnt bring themselves to go see batman forever at the theaters to see another batman movie.But since I benefitted from a guy who loaned me batman forever to watch once then dissapeared without any contact number to give me,I loaned them batman forever to watch and they think the same thing I did,that it was much better than the first two batman movies so theres no question whatsoever its much better than batman and robin.Batman and Robin went way overboard and clooney was MUCH worse than Kilmer was.of the 3 actors that played Batman before batman begins,Kilmer is my favorite.

You've got to be kidding me? Batman Forever better than 1989 and Returns? Batman Forever was a joke. Not as big as joke as Batman and Robin but a pretty lame one. Any Batman movie that has Batman duking it out with Bruce Wayne over getting a girl into bed has serious problems not to even mention the other crappy stuff that was going on in that film such as the Batmobile having neon lights and driving up a damn wall, people's brainwaves getting sucked through a TV tapping device and Jim Carey uttering the words "SPANK ME!"

And Val Kilmer was awful. He was sleep walking through that entire role. No subtext, no nothing. The only thing he had going for himself is he looked like a rich play boy more so I think than people thought Keaton did but other than that he was awful, and his batsuit was ugly. But his acting couldn't have been more uninspired. Several scenes his line delivery was way off not that he didn't have some of the more ridiculous dialogue in the Batman franchise ("it's the car. Chicks dig the car!"😉 but still he failed to even make anything worthwhile out of what they gave him.

Originally posted by DarthLazious
Wooden?

What the hell does that mean?

I think that Forever could have been salvaged had the actors delivered their lines correctly... Like for instance:

Two-Face: Had he been more subtle and toned down the way he delivered his lines, almost growled them, he could have been the Two-Face we know, even WITH the stupid dialog...

Batman: With retarded lines like "Chicks dig the car", he could have taken a page from Keaton and tried to be more intimidating while he spoke. Tried to say it with a little more "I'll kick your ass without a second thought" and a little less "I'm a guy in a suit with nipples... Are they supposed to take me seriously?"

Robin: Chris O' Donnell would have had good delivery... if he were a 16 year old... I mean, it seems the whole thing was written as if Grayson WAS a 16 year old, from stealing the Batmobile, the retarded "laundry martial arts", and the whole "dreams of one day being..." etc. etc. etc. But then they get an actor who looks like, 27... WTF?

Riddler: He was ok... A decent Gorshin rip-off... I just wish some of his more corny lines were cut...

I confess to liking Forever.

I saw it when I was 13, so that's part of it.

Don't kid yourselves, whether or not you like it over Returns or 89 or not , the film is leaps and bounds better than Batman and Robin. Not just "slightly" better.

I also liked Kilmer the best, after Bale.

He was the first one who I bought as bruce wayne in the mask, not as two seperate people. Like the corny bit where he smiles when Chase rejects Batman, that was cheezy but I liked that it was showing he's all the same person, just with different personas.

Yes, it was flashy and a little camp, but it was not bad. It was fun. Carey was fine. O'Donnell was fine. Kilmer was great. (Jones and Kidman stunk though, whoever posted that was right on.)

I rank it as even or right below Batman 89. It's definately better than Returns which flat-out sucks, in my opinion. The only thing that film has going for it was Catwoman, played well by Michelle Pfeiffer.

My rank:

1.) Batman Begins
2.) Batman (89)/Batman Forever (edge: Batman 89)
3.) Batman Returns
4.) Batman and Robin

I'm expecting TDK to take the top slot after I've seen it though.

Oh, if we include Batman:Mask of the Phantasm and Batman: The movie (66), then they go in above Batman Returns.

No way Batman Forever is on the same level as Batman 1989. No way a movie with:
-an unnecessary shot of Batman's ass and crotch
-Effing neon lighted Gotham
-Grown arse should be in college Robin
-Two Face who laughs, jokes and doesn't even pay attention to his coin and has gak for his face
-Riddler who wears outfits that are painted on so tight the real Riddle is what on his body can't you see through the outfits
-Riddle and a Two Face who were all over each other so much you wonder what was really going on between them
-Skankiest Bat girlfriend ever with the worst acting ever pre Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes
- the lines "chicks dig the car", "holy rusted metal Batman!" "Spank Me!" "YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP!"
-Batman vs Bruce Wayne...who can get in her panties first cock fight between two personalities.
-Neon Batmobile that drives up the wall
- A Batcave that Robin can break into by leaping around like a damn monkey

No way is a movie with crap in it like that even on par with Batman 1989 IMO. That movie was like Batman at a Rave.

Everything Schumacher touched in the Batman franchise stank to the high heavens IMO. Of course Batman Forever is not as bad as Batman and Robin there are few things in the world that are as bad as Batman and Robin but Forever was a joke through and through as well. But it's people validating the large amount of camp and BS that Shumacher put into this film that lead to the disgustingly over the top Batman and Robin. This was the beginning of the end.

And Val Kilmer IMO was the worst Batman right behind George Clooney...but sadly at least George Clooney was trying.

so did batgirl have nipples? 😕

No she didn't she had something resembling cup cake molds over her breasts.

Schumacher was only interested in men's nipples.

well.....there is the LAST possible thing that could've given me and incentive to watch this movie. and i'm thankful.

~Sado

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
I found Val's Batman and Bruce very wooden.

Val was wooden as Batman.He didnt have any good serious material to work with though.He had great material to work with as bruce wayne though and he was great. Val was wooden as Batman.Keaton was wooden as Bruce Wayne,Clooney? he just plain sucked.Lets not even go into him. Bale? was awesome in BOTH roles as Bruce Wayne AND BATMAN. That being said,Bale is easily by far the best Bruce Wayne/Batman to have played the role and the one and ONLY true Batman.That may change in the future.They may restart it AGAIN.Look at KING KONG. 🙄 it may change in the future if they do that.someone else may come along and excell in BOTH roles like Bale did but as of NOW.BALE is the one and ONLY true Batman. 🙂

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
No way Batman Forever is on the same level as Batman 1989. No way a movie with:
-an unnecessary shot of Batman's ass and crotch
-Effing neon lighted Gotham
-Grown arse should be in college Robin
-Two Face who laughs, jokes and doesn't even pay attention to his coin and has gak for his face
-Riddler who wears outfits that are painted on so tight the real Riddle is what on his body can't you see through the outfits
-Riddle and a Two Face who were all over each other so much you wonder what was really going on between them
-Skankiest Bat girlfriend ever with the worst acting ever pre Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes
- the lines "chicks dig the car", "holy rusted metal Batman!" "Spank Me!" "YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP!"
-Batman vs Bruce Wayne...who can get in her panties first cock fight between two personalities.
-Neon Batmobile that drives up the wall
- A Batcave that Robin can break into by leaping around like a damn monkey

No way is a movie with crap in it like that even on par with Batman 1989 IMO. That movie was like Batman at a Rave.

Everything Schumacher touched in the Batman franchise stank to the high heavens IMO. Of course Batman Forever is not as bad as Batman and Robin there are few things in the world that are as bad as Batman and Robin but Forever was a joke through and through as well. But it's people validating the large amount of camp and BS that Shumacher put into this film that lead to the disgustingly over the top Batman and Robin. This was the beginning of the end.

And Val Kilmer IMO was the worst Batman right behind George Clooney...but sadly at least George Clooney was trying.

sure it is.I already took you to school on this earlier.you just dont want to listen. 🙄

What I like about the Orginal 4 movies and what I didn't like-

Like:

1. Burton's batmobile
2. Bat suit in 'returns'
3. JN's joker
4. MP's catwoman
5. VK's black batsuit in forever
6. JC's riddler
7. Robin suit in both Forever and B & R
8. Danny elfman's score
9. Batman 89 batwing

Didn't like:

1. Forever and B and R music scores
2. Bane
3. Forever and B & R don't seem like actual movies to me
4. Shumacher's batmobiles

a lot of the stuff hate is the stuf you guys hate as well, or at least cut and dry everybody can agree on like "yeah I think that sucked too" kind of things.

Mostly what I liked were a lot of production design things.
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Mostly what I hate about batman and robin and batman forever is that if you to put both of those movies into two seperate dvd players connected to two seperate tv's and played the movies at the same time.....they're going to probably run sequentially.

Like when dick grayson gets into a fight with black light neon gang in Forever, happens at the same time poison evy gets into a fight black light neon gang in B & R

Originally posted by Mr Parker
sure it is.I already took you to school on this earlier.you just dont want to listen. 🙄

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
No way Forever is better than Returns. I think Returns even has a higher score on Rottent Tomatoes.

Doesnt really matter.As i said before,ALL the Burton/Scumacher Batman movies are shit and need to be burned.They were all a bad dream and nightmare I finally was able to wake up from after the one and ONLY true Batman movie Batman Begins was made. 💃 as i said before,Begins is ten times better than all four of those crapfest Burton/Scumacher batman movies.end of story. 😄

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
You've got to be kidding me? Batman Forever better than 1989 and Returns? Batman Forever was a joke. Not as big as joke as Batman and Robin but a pretty lame one. Any Batman movie that has Batman duking it out with Bruce Wayne over getting a girl into bed has serious problems not to even mention the other crappy stuff that was going on in that film such as the Batmobile having neon lights and driving up a damn wall, people's brainwaves getting sucked through a TV tapping device and Jim Carey uttering the words "SPANK ME!"

And Val Kilmer was awful. He was sleep walking through that entire role. No subtext, no nothing. The only thing he had going for himself is he looked like a rich play boy more so I think than people thought Keaton did but other than that he was awful, and his batsuit was ugly. But his acting couldn't have been more uninspired. Several scenes his line delivery was way off not that he didn't have some of the more ridiculous dialogue in the Batman franchise ("it's the car. Chicks dig the car!"😉 but still he failed to even make anything worthwhile out of what they gave him.

Im just telling you what several people I know told me who were so disgusted with the first two batman movies they could not bring themselves to go see another batman movie by the time Forever came out and when I loaned them Forever a few years back, they regretted not seeing it because they liked kilmer much better as bruce wayne/batman and forever better than keaton and the first two films.I'm just the messenger telling you what they told me,dont shoot the messenger.want me to give you their phone numbers to call them up and debate about it with you? I doubt they would like that so i couldnt.LOL. like i said,im just going by what some people told me that agreed with me on it.dont shoot the messenger. 😛