Originally posted by Alfheim
I remember some guy on a program saying that if China get in control we'll be begging for the good old days with America.....if China get in control were ****ed. People may b*tch about America, but it seems China really does not give a ****
That reminds me...
^one point, the "free" market isnt really free at all. dont you find it funny how america can have so many resources for its domestic welfare and keeping its people happy while funding wars, arms races etc etc. while the wrest of the world, with even more hardworking percentages is unable to even feed its occupants{many a times} much less give them the same benefits or facilities? you may chalk this up to america's "morals" or just allocation of resources or capitalism, but all those explanations fall short. resources can not be "created" without natural reserves+labour. in reality the "free" economy sustains itself by unfairly draining the resources of the wrest of the world by a number of ways rangign from unfair{yet legal} market practices {as in the cheap rate at which stuff is imported from certain poor nations where labour is even cheaper} to all out stealing as is done by contract in places like africa{minerals / cocoa etc etc} and currently in iraq and afghanistan{mostly oil} , and quite often, the later option can only be done when the place is under turmoil, which is the reason{well one major one in my eyes} why america has openly assisted genocide or illegal wars to cause discord.
but also, the way in which the world dynamic works these days, ANY nation at or near the top works this way. china and russia are no different. as america is slowly taking out its paws from africa, china is taking up all the exact same practices and cashing in the same way as america did.
Originally posted by inimalist
For instance:While western trade embargoes are broken by American corporations, they can be fined and prosecuted for such actions (and sometimes are).
"Can be fined" and actually punishing corporations are two totally different things.
In the U.S. people lose jobs constantly because of capital flight because it is "cheaper" to do business there because they can be so negligent to workers abroad.
Still, there is plenty that the middle to lower class get screwed on all the time. I think I can vouch since I among those people.
Ideally, the U.S. seems the best but there's no way to know that without going around each place. The U.S. has plenty of areas that look as bad as 3rd world countries (just go into the inner city of some of the major cities; I have lived in these areas also).
I'm not about to crown the U.S. for anything because hardly anything goes as it should ideally if you are not among the middle-upper class or above.
Originally posted by chithappens
"Can be fined" and actually punishing corporations are two totally different things.In the U.S. people lose jobs constantly because of capital flight because it is "cheaper" to do business there because they can be so negligent to workers abroad.
Still, there is plenty that the middle to lower class get screwed on all the time. I think I can vouch since I among those people.
Ideally, the U.S. seems the best but there's no way to know that without going around each place. The U.S. has plenty of areas that look as bad as 3rd world countries (just go into the inner city of some of the major cities; I have lived in these areas also).
I'm not about to crown the U.S. for anything because hardly anything goes as it should ideally if you are not among the middle-upper class or above.
And yet it doesn't matter how much America sucks, it's still better to have America as the most powerful nation in the world instead of China or Russia. Idealistically speaking the fall of the US would immediately be followed by the rise of Europe or Japan and Australia in that case most of our lives could continue as normal, but if the US would fall then we would all suffer, sure the people in the US the most but people in Europe would have it harder too, even people in country's like Russia and China.
Those two however are far less dependent on the US then let's say western Europe so in return they would suffer far less. It's why a lot of country's are slowly starting to look at China for developing it's also why it's probably a smart thing to try and pressure China into becoming more Western while we still have the power to make them change, because if things continue like they are now China will be the largest economic and military power in the world. And I would rather trust the US who at least has the same kind of culture like most western country's then a country that hasn't.
Originally posted by chithappensnah even the inner cities of america are better off than 3rd world countries..
"Can be fined" and actually punishing corporations are two totally different things.In the U.S. people lose jobs constantly because of capital flight because it is "cheaper" to do business there because they can be so negligent to workers abroad.
Still, there is plenty that the middle to lower class get screwed on all the time. I think I can vouch since I among those people.
Ideally, the U.S. seems the best but there's no way to know that without going around each place. The U.S. has plenty of areas that look as bad as 3rd world countries (just go into the inner city of some of the major cities; I have lived in these areas also).
I'm not about to crown the U.S. for anything because hardly anything goes as it should ideally if you are not among the middle-upper class or above.
people still got money in the ghetto. theres lots of crime yea but where there's crime theres bound to be money. go to the slums of haiti and see if you can find anyone drivin around in chevy tahoes and cadillac escalades.
Originally posted by red g jacks
nah even the inner cities of america are better off than 3rd world countries..people still got money in the ghetto. theres lots of crime yea but where there's crime theres bound to be money. go to the slums of haiti and see if you can find anyone drivin around in chevy tahoes and cadillac escalades.
Get money? Damn near everyone in the middle class lives check to check.
The people with money you are thinking about do not live in those areas. No one stays in those areas with that kind of money unless they are only there to falunt.
Originally posted by Fishy
.Those two however are far less dependent on the US then let's say western Europe so in return they would suffer far less. It's why a lot of country's are slowly starting to look at China for developing it's also why it's probably a smart thing to try and pressure China into becoming more Western while we still have the power to make them change, because if things continue like they are now China will be the largest economic and military power in the world. And I would rather trust the US who at least has the same kind of culture like most western country's then a country that hasn't.
Asians have been "assimilating" for a while (around the past 150 years), but that is simply because the Western world has been in control. Africa was a sort of warning to Asia about what could happen otherwise.
I still fail to see what is so bad about China or Russia being a world power. Someone please explain this.
nah thats not true.
lots of people grow up in the ghetto. then when they get paid, stay in the same area. not the super rich ones.. just the people who get some money... low key style... but not so much that everyone's at their throat.
the people who leave are typically pro athletes, business professionals musicians and drug lords. the local dope boys tend to stick around.
Originally posted by chithappens
Asians have been "assimilating" for a while (around the past 150 years), but that is simply because the Western world has been in control. Africa was a sort of warning to Asia about what could happen otherwise.I still fail to see what is so bad about China or Russia being a world power. Someone please explain this.
One thing?
As noted above, China has little regard for the human rights of it's own citizens, do you really think they're going to care about the Taiwanese, if they were to annex Taiwan, as an example?
Originally posted by red g jacks
nah thats not true.lots of people grow up in the ghetto. then when they get paid, stay in the same area. not the super rich ones.. just the people who get some money... low key style... but not so much that everyone's at their throat.
the people who leave are typically pro athletes, business professionals musicians and drug lords. the local dope boys tend to stick around.
... I'm not even gonna do it.
Originally posted by Robtard
One thing?As noted above, China has little regard for the human rights of it's own citizens, do you really think they're going to care about the Taiwanese, if they were to annex Taiwan, as an example?
I could say the same for the U.S. on many, many accounts. History speaks terribly of the U.S. and the everyday person.
Originally posted by chithappens
As soon as Shaq gets traded to the Su... Awww damn. 🤣
Ok serioulsy though apparently Canada could become the next oil superpower. I saw this debate on a forum where it was stated that resources alone dont make a country a superpower you need population as well. There is also another article stating that the population of Canada could increase due to hot countries becoming warmer and Canadas record of human rights (there were other reasons but I cant remember them all).
Most likely not that simple but some food for thought.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok serioulsy though apparently Canada could become the next oil superpower. I saw this debate on a forum where it was stated that resources alone dont make a country a superpower you need population as well. There is also another article stating that the population of Canada could increase due to hot countries becoming warmer and Canadas record of human rights (there were other reasons but I cant remember them all).Most likely not that simple but some food for thought.
Yep, they even accepted those indigenous peoples!
Originally posted by chithappens
I could say the same for the U.S. on many, many accounts. History speaks terribly of the U.S. and the everyday person.
The US at least tries to keep up appearances they have laws they have to follow and sure they break and stretch them but they are still somewhat guided by them. They still somewhat have to listen to their people and still try to get support from other nations and do try to keep public opinion in their favor, they aren't willing to bomb entire towns into smithereens and try not to let entire towns starve.
China would have no such problems.
Not to mention and this is far more important for us (people in "western" country's), that the US needs us to survive, China needs us far less. The US has a culture that's largely the same and considers us allies, China does not. The US would not harm us to much if they have the choice, China wouldn't care that much.