DC vs. WS: Dreamwar

Originally posted by DigiMark007
An excellent question. But crossovers are about money, and getting mainstream exposure for lesser-known characters. The writer clearly knows more about DC, and isn't afraid to let DC walk over them. Even if WS gets payback, you can bet none of DC's money-makers will look foolish like Spartan and Majestic did.

hummm... personaly id kill off all the DC heroes leading to the final clash between WS and whoever is behind it and maybe the legion.. who for all we know are behind it..

id read that.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
He's pretty good writer on the whole. Well if you you're into the likes of Annihilation, JLI and 52. Of course he was one of the main writers on countdown, also.

I wasn't faulting the writing itself, just the inaccurate portrayal of the WS characters. Gassing a robot ftw!

maybe brainy is evil, or someone else completely. someones evil damnit.

the "chimera" character was referred to by the league as chimera, and by the legion as chimera lad. he seems to be the driving force behind getting the DCers to go after the WSers, and alan scott seemed to imply that the WSers weren't to know about chimera's influence. "need to know. as in, you don't," or whatever was said.

maybe the gas was nano-technology that corrupted spartan's robo-parts?

Could this be the same Chimera we saw in The Monarchy?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I wasn't faulting the writing itself, just the inaccurate portrayal of the WS characters. Gassing a robot ftw!

Originally posted by Thorion
Could this be the same Chimera we saw in The Monarchy?

The Monarchy? As in, Bullets Over Babylon? I thought I was the only person in the world to read that arc. Can't say I remember a Chimera, though, but it's been a while.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The Monarchy? As in, Bullets Over Babylon? I thought I was the only person in the world to read that arc. Can't say I remember a Chimera, though, but it's been a while.

Heh. Yeah, that Monarchy. Chimaera was the empire of Authorities. They did kill the Higher Power, but they may have come back. They could possibly be manipulating the DC-ers.

The name/word "Chimera" is way overused in sci-fi (and fiction)

Writers are just to lazy/useless to come up with their own names.

Originally posted by Thorion
Heh. Yeah, that Monarchy. Chimaera was the empire of Authorities. They did kill the Higher Power, but they may have come back. They could possibly be manipulating the DC-ers.

Ah.

Doubtful, but funny to think about. Everything about the Monarchy pretty much got buried after it tanked 5-6 issues into its run. Jackson King is pretty much the only character involved ever to be heard from again in a WS comic.

So what did we learn:

Spoiler:
1. According to DW, Hawksmoor's punches > Majestic's punches. Neither of which can take out Superman. Seriously, though, I was a bit surprised (pleasantly surprised, though) to see that Kal didn't punk Jack, even in a city.

2. I thought Morrison was writing Batman R.I.P. ...lulz. But the Batman v. Zealot fight was actually pretty sweet, and I thought it was also relatively accurate. Bats is arguably more skilled, but Zealot is far enough beyond peak human (and also decently skilled) that she should be able to pull off a H2H win.

3. Bullets > Dr. Fate. I lol'd at this. Hopefully it's some newbish Dr. Fate. Otherwise, DC just had their first **** moment like WS fans did last issue with Majestic.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So what did we learn:

Spoiler:
1. According to DW, Hawksmoor's punches > Majestic's punches. Neither of which can take out Superman. Seriously, though, I was a bit surprised (pleasantly surprised, though) to see that Kal didn't punk Jack, even in a city.

2. I thought Morrison was writing Batman R.I.P. ...lulz. But the Batman v. Zealot fight was actually pretty sweet, and I thought it was also relatively accurate. Bats is arguably more skilled, but Zealot is far enough beyond peak human (and also decently skilled) that she should be able to pull off a H2H win.

3. Bullets > Dr. Fate. I lol'd at this. Hopefully it's some newbish Dr. Fate. Otherwise, DC just had their first **** moment like WS fans did last issue with Majestic.

I disagree with part of that

Spoiler:
Just because Superman said he felt the punch doesn't mean that it was harder than Majestic's punch

Scan from Dreamwar #3 .... so don't read if you don't want spoilers.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7003/12919429sj0.jpg

Spoiler:
Also, isn't Fate just a human with magical powers (like Dr Strange) if taken by surprise (especially while being mind controlled) it seem possible for him to be shot down.

Agreed Scoob. I just made the Hawksmoor comment to make fun of Majestic. Jack also kicks Kal later when the Bats/Zealot fight is taking place. He held his own, shockingly enough.

And somehow I thought Fate had base-level durability beyond human. I think it depends on which person is Fate.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And somehow I thought Fate had base-level durability beyond human. I think it depends on which person is Fate.

I actually don't know if he does or doesn't, I'm just assuming ... mainly because I thought all the power was in the helmet.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I actually don't know if he does or doesn't, I'm just assuming ... mainly because I thought all the power was in the helmet.

It's hard to keep it straight, since there's been more than one person to wear the helmet. I follow JSA, which he's occasionally a part of, but can't pretend to know the details. Hector Hall's the only one I've read any amount of. At least one of them had regular durability beyond human, though I guess it's not PIS if it wasn't that one.

have to say i liked this issue, and lol @

Spoiler:
bruce

and i really dig the art...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So what did we learn:

Spoiler:
1. According to DW, Hawksmoor's punches > Majestic's punches. Neither of which can take out Superman. Seriously, though, I was a bit surprised (pleasantly surprised, though) to see that Kal didn't punk Jack, even in a city.

I was pleasantly surprised too, but I don't really think that anything that happens in that mini counts as canon. Even thought I'd LOVE the Zealot vs Batman fight to be canon, especially the outcome. 😈

i cant believe i was so stupid to not see it..... that is the significance of it being named "dream war"... im guessing its that kid who is sleeping in that trailor park thats cusaing all this nonsense... then after it wraps no one will remember anything, plus the fact that a few well knowns have died im just going out on a limb and assume thats its not canon...so i'll just enjoy it for what it is at the momoent

It was said to be non-canon from the start. Doesn't mean we shouldn't expect decently accurate feats, but yeah it doesn't count.

Fun stuff though. I like it.

It could still be canon, everyone is in this kids dream and when they die they only die in that dream, but they are still representations of the original characters psyches and abilities .... maybe.