Superman vs Black Adam(punchfest)

Originally posted by cdtm
If we did discard the fight because of the origin change, we'd pretty much have to discard the entire early 90's post crisis DC. Mon El, he had a major origin change too. To the point where a lot of his old stories simply doesn't fly with his new one. so does that mean Superman never fought an eclipsed Mon El and beat him? Does it mean all the events of L.E.G.I.O.N. never happened?

Out of convenience, most people don't. And no, there's no good reason why.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
As far as Teth and Billy go, Teth's edge comes from the fact that he hold back far less than Cap does and he isn't above being aggressive and ruthless. He's not stronger than Captain Marvel or more powerful. Billy, at the end of the day, is a nice kid, an even bigger boyscout than Superman is.

Everyone thought Neron meant Superman when he talked about gaining the noblest soul out there, but he was really talking about Billy.

So yeah, Billy really is more of a boy scout.

Anyways..

Adam does have more experience than Billy.. There's really no reason Superman shouldn't struggle with Adam at least as much as he does with Cap, if not more.

Originally posted by Stoic
Black Adam can match Superman all day at his regular levels, but Superman can amp. I'll go with my gut, and say Superman wins this barely.

yeah i agree between will power, anger spikes and sundipping. BA is superman minus the amps.

Originally posted by cdtm
Origin changes don't always cancel out what came before or during though, only alter certain elements.

Like DC First Lobo doesn't mean Eradicator possessed Supermans fight with Lobo never happened.

Anyways, there's other examples of Adam at least being equal to Cap. Power of Shazam is one such example, with the fight ending when Adam becomes depowered, but otherwise holding his own throughout the comic.

Originally posted by cdtm
If we did discard the fight because of the origin change, we'd pretty much have to discard the entire early 90's post crisis DC. Mon El, he had a major origin change too. To the point where a lot of his old stories simply doesn't fly with his new one. so does that mean Superman never fought an eclipsed Mon El and beat him? Does it mean all the events of L.E.G.I.O.N. never happened?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your examples were never officialy retconned.

Uh, yes they were. From the time Mon El got to Earth, he met Clark before he was Superman, was poisoned, and put into the Phantom Zone, giving him no time for his early 90's exploits.

Originally posted by cdtm
Uh, yes they were. From the time Mon El got to Earth, he met Clark before he was Superman, was poisoned, and put into the Phantom Zone, giving him no time for his early 90's exploits.

No wonder they had to reboot everything. It's either that or release a DC roadmap to what happened when... O_<

Originally posted by abhilegend
Based upon what?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Marvel being even to Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not true.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Go back to thanos threads. People with more knowledge about captain marvel have been proven wrong by me on this topic. Come back with something else other than this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Marvel has been compared to him as an equal in strength I mean even with the infinite pages they threw in a Captain Marvel alternate. I know you try to adjust what happens and leave out context when it takes away from your argument.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Go back to thanos threads. People with more knowledge about captain marvel have been proven wrong by me on this topic. Come back with something else other than this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has been quoted as most powerful guy on the planet bar none countless times, martian manhunter and hal jordan has been stated as being more powerful than entire justice league combined. Means squat. As I said
Lulz at bringing alternate versions and me leaving context coming from you.

You claim to be knowledgeable but this defense is pretty funny. Keep it up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So has MM been quoted as the most powerful member of the jla. Quit using hyperbole as some sort of proof when they have had direct comparisons against each other.

You claim to be knowledgeable but this defense is pretty funny. Keep it up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No hyperbole. Read Ostrander's manhunter and JLA classified when Malefic controlled j'onn's body he took on entire JLA. Hal has defeated JLA before and his friend Tom took out JLA alone with his ring. Marvel has never been equal to Kal post-crisis.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's formidability not raw power. You seem to have the two confused. Shocking. Marvel lacks feats but in direct comparisons he's kal's equal in power.

Cap = Superman in direct strength comparisons.

Power, in my opinion, is not simply strength or durability.. Or even combat capability.

In Martian Manhunters case, he only barely falls short on strength and durability, and makes up for it with everything else. All on a high level. Basically, he's the swiss army knife of super heroes...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has been quoted as most powerful guy on the planet bar none countless times,

You're right.

See Superman vs The World and the stories leading up to it for one example..

Supes has also taken out the JLA, and so has Martian Manhunter...

Really, just about every big name characters taken on the entire JLA and done well at some point. 😄

Originally posted by cdtm
Cap = Superman in direct strength comparisons.

Power, in my opinion, is not simply strength or durability.. Or even combat capability.

In Martian Manhunters case, he only barely falls short on strength and durability, and makes up for it with everything else. All on a high level. Basically, he's the swiss army knife of super heroes...