Originally posted by caedusrulesall
Revan takes both sabers and force with some difficulty.If Anakin was at full potential (e.g. NJO Luke Force God state) nobody could beat him, except maybe his son in NJO.
It has been stated that Anakin has the highest FP in the SW universe. Nobody can defeat Anakin at his FP. Period.
And, what? Please explain me how Revan takes the saber duel because I can't seem to find a reasonable explanation.
Originally posted by caedusrulesallAnakin beats revan with sabers.
Revan takes both sabers and force with some difficulty.
Originally posted by caedusrulesallThis is unsupported, quit spouting this bullshit will you? Lucas already stated that anakin at FP is MORE powerful than anybody including luke.
If Anakin was at full potential (e.g. NJO Luke Force God state) nobody could beat him, except maybe his son in NJO.
Originally posted by Ivalice
Anakin beats revan with sabers.This is unsupported, quit spouting this bullshit will you? Lucas already stated that anakin at FP is MORE powerful than anybody including luke.
I really don't want to start a flame war, but I will make sure that a whole kriffing series of novels (NJO) can overcome simply Lucas' word. Now I know Lucas created SW, but he's really become increasingly distant from creating the newer parts of it (for example, the writers didn't even tell him Luke now has a son). And really, Anakin's full potential has never been truly shown, while Luke's has. For more on this, please refer to your own comments on Luke's power on Page 12 of the Sith Lord Revan vs. Grand Master Luke thread. You say the following:
And I quote:
Force Sense
* During the Battle of Yavin, Luke managed to destroy the first Death Star by letting the Force tell him when to fire his proton torpedoes, while traveling at very high speeds, and not knowing the distance to the port, and having no previous knowledge of proton torpedoes and their abilities. One should note that Luke only had little training with the Force at this time.
* Luke managed to land a crashing Imperial Star Destroyer, with almost no loss of life, on Coruscant by allowing the Force to guide him at the Liberator's controls, mirroring a similar achievement by his father towards the end of the Clone Wars.[104][105][106]
Force Attunement
* Without any guidance except a handbook left by Obi-Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker successfully built his first lightsaber, merely three years after he was first introduced to the Force, and undergoing formal training for less than a year.
* Only a short time after being given a lightsaber by Obi-Wan, Luke was able to instinctively block several blaster bolts fired in rapid succession by a remote, despite his lack of prolonged formal training.
* Luke safely landed himself, Isolder, and Isolder's fighter from a free fall drop from orbit with the Force.
* During the Battle of Dathomir, Luke flew the Millennium Falcon single-handedly using only the Force, manipulating its controls and operating it with a skill that not even a full crew could manage.
* Luke was able to knock down a crippled AT-AT by pressing against it with the Force; he also absorbed the initial cannon blasts from the AT-AT, before deflecting the rest with his lightsaber.[104][105]
* During the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke used the Force to rebuild Darth Vader's old fortress on Coruscant and made it invisible.[107] In addition, Luke used the Force to crush the rebuilt fortress of Darth Vader to rubble, shattering the building piece by piece and throwing it into the oceans of Coruscant.[108]
* During the Battle of Dantooine of the Yuuzhan Vong War, Luke tricked a vehicle's dovin basals into colliding its own void (black hole) against itself by using the Force to hold the void against the pull of the dovin basals; then reversing the direction of his own pull, adding it to the pull of the dovin basals, so that the void would collide against the spine of the vehicle.[82]
Revitalize
* In the battle between the Singing Mountain Clan and the Nightsisters, Luke was almost fatally wounded by a Force attack by Gethzerion and a deep fall, but regenerated in the span of mere hours.
Droid Disable
* Luke also destroyed a group of hot-wired battle droids just by waving his hand, subtly displacing their master servos and causing the self-destruction of the group of droids.[104][105] This Force power was first manifested by Jedi Master Arca Jeth during the Great Droid Revolution. Even then, with proper instruction, it was a difficult power to master. However, this power apparently came naturally to Luke.
Force Protection
* During the time when he was re-creating the Jedi Order and was searching for potential candidates, he walked on lava while still throbbing with the Force after defeating a Fireworm living in the lava just moments before.[57] Luke's performance impressed Gantoris so much that he decided to become Luke's apprentice. It should be noted that while the temperature near a lava lake normally is extreme (hundreds of °C), there was a crowd of abandoned colonists in tattered clothing waiting at the bank of the lava, suggesting that the feat was not so remarkable after all.
* During the Eye of Palpatine incident, Luke subconsciously used his Force powers to overcome a particularly vicious form of brainwashing.
Telepathy
* During the Death Seed Plague, Luke used the Force to communicate with the sentient crystals Tsils. It is important to remember that the more dissimilar the type of mind, the more difficult it is to communicate with via the Force.
* Toward the end of the Swarm War, Luke used the Force to call all the Jedi across the galaxy to Ossus to make the announcement of him taking on the role as Grand Master of the Jedi Order, and to issue his views about the role of the Order to his Jedi.
Protection Bubble
* Luke could generate a Force shield to deflect blaster fire.
Force Illusion
* While searching for the kidnapped Solo children, Luke used the Force to create an illusion over his face in order to disguise his identity. He would later reuse this trick on Yoggoy.
* After the crisis, with new found knowledge from the White Current, Luke removed the Teljkon Vagabond from view using the Force; however he admitted that he did not know how long it would last.
* After the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke taught the combined White Current/the Force illusion skill to his more experienced students, which would help shield the entire moon Yavin 4 from intruders during the Yuuzhan Vong War.
* During the early days of the Dark Nest Crisis, Luke used the Force to generate a lifelike copy of the Jade Shadow to fool the attacking dartships. This usage of the Force was so extreme, Luke burnt out and his face was temporarily sunken and shriveled like Palpatine's. A year later Luke applied the same trick on the DR919a, by then Luke already mastered the technique and would no longer burn out.
Force Ghost
* During the Kueller crisis, Luke prepared himself for death in such a way that he would become a Force ghost.
* Upon death, Luke was able to retain his consciousness in the Netherworld of the Force, and could henceforth manifest himself in spirit form.
Force Enlightenment
* The narration described Luke during the Battle of Yuuzhan'tar as a maelstrom of Force energy, a Force storm against which there was no shelter. So calm and focused that his actions were not interrupted by any thought. Luke merged with the Force to such a degree that the Jedi Master did not seem to be there, physically or as an individual personality. Luke's control over his lightsaber blade was so great that he was said to might as well have been wielding ten, or twenty lightsabers against the Vong.[94] The Solo twins were astounded seeing their uncle in such a state.
lectric Judgment
* Luke used a powerful and unique ability of the Force related to his signature green Electric Judgment in the chamber of Shimrra Jamaane. This technique had been described to look like "green sparks," which instantly killed the Slayer.
Force Defend
* While battling UnuThul, Luke was able to resist the combined Force power of the Colony and triumph. When UnuThul attempted to Force Push the Grand Master, Luke rooted himself in the heart of the Force so strongly that it was said that he had become the very essence of the immovable object, and that not even the black hole at the center of the galaxy could not move him.[95]
Force Healing
* On only the trip back to Hapes after the duel, Luke used a Jedi healing trance to heal most of the damage caused by Lumiya.
Force Stasis
* During the battle of Kuat, Luke was able to use the Force to such a degree that he didn't even have to move to immobilize Jacen. It is important to note that Jacen was at this time a full Sith Lord, and he still couldn't break free.
Force Concealment
* During the Battle of Kashyyyk, Luke shut his presence down after being fired upon by Jaina to make it seem like he died. Later while Ben was in the Embrace of Pain, Jacen gave Ben back his ability to sense the Force temporarily and Ben felt the life force of his father and realized Luke was shutting himself down to everyone except Ben, something no other Jedi has been able to do.
So, the argument has kind of been made by you against you. 'Sides which, I said Anakin could maybe be beaten by his own son, who, in ROTJ, was able to beat his own (though admittedly, not full potential) Dark Side father with little Jedi training.
To close, just remind yourself that if Luke could do all the above things and much more, while Anakin has not displayed anything of this caliber, it's possible that even at his full potential Anakin could be beaten by his own son.
Oh, and as for Revan vs. Anakin (not full potential), Revan could possibly beat him in sabers since he killed Malak when Malak was powered up by the Star Forge and Jedi souls, but I don't know. Forget that.
And to repeat myself, I don't want to start a flame war. Please, don't flame.
dunno... at full potential, if what I hear about luke turning into a god in njo is true...
wait a minute, what am I saying? TRUE? its all fiction people
And this is about Anakin, not Luke
Anakin Was in my opinion, the most powerful jedi except for maybe windu and yoda and obi wan... oh yea and kit fisto (maybe) in the movies... oh wait, if you really think about it, Anakin is at the bottom of the food chain as far as Legendary Jedis go... how about sith?
Better then duku, maul (wild guess but since obi was so young when he fried his....) Grevious(obi wan didnt have a hard time with him and did with anakin so I am sopposing...) and anakin is better then luke... sorry, he is... I think vader was declining and was reluctant to kill his son in the trilogy...
and I base my dislike for luke on.... idk i just dont like luke
Revan.....
He killed everyone force sensetive that was alive during the period he lived in.... but then so did anakin... almost... pluss i truly believe that the Ancient Sith Are Far more powerful than any of the more recent.
so, maybe Revan might have to use a Emergency Medpack, but he would probably make easy work of anakin.
oh yea, and I also honestly beleive that lucas doesnt know alot of the time what lucasarts is doing. I honestly believe that he never meant for luke to be a god... because he was only half of anakin and basically, a farmboy that overcame rising odds and determinately changed the universe, a statement that one person can make a difference. I dont think George Lucas meant to adopt the humanist notion that the moral of star wars is get the most power, become a god, and then turn the galaxy in ur favor.
Originally posted by caedusrulesall
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Oh, and as for Revan vs. Anakin (not full potential), Revan could possibly beat him in sabers since he killed Malak when Malak was powered up by the Star Forge and Jedi souls, but I don't know. Forget that.
That battle between certainly must have been something. But we still don't know the details of the fight we only know that at some point Revan was able to kill Malak with his saber. For all we know Malak was winning the whole fight. Meanwhile Anakin's defeat of Count Dooku in sheer saber combat and deciding to win as the novel says
In that pristine clarity, there is only one thing he must do.
Decide.
So he does.
He decides to win.
He decides that Dooku should lose the same hand he took. Decision is reality, here: his blade moves simultaneously with his will and blue fire vaporizes black Corellian nanosilk and disintegrates flesh and shears bone, and away falls a Sith Lord's lightsaber hand, trailing smoke that tastes of charred meat and burned hair. The hand falls with a bar of scarlet blaze still extending from its spastic death grip, and Anakin's heart sings for the fall of that red blade.
I don't see Revan winning in saber combat he would need to win in a force fight and an all out duel could go either way depending on how the two decide to engage in combat.
I'd say that Revan would take this fight but only just.
If you care to notice there are several similarities between the two which was done on purpose. For insance:
Skilled machanic: Both created protocol droids(HK's better though)
Pod racer: anakin raced and so did Revan-Taris
Swordsman: both defeated most of the most skilled duelists in thier time
Force Gods: Both were force prodigys- Anakin= unlimited I've also heard somewhere that Revan was too
War Heroes: Both fought in wars and pwned
Heartless assholes: Both defied morality and both took down entire temples of Force users.
I do think that Revan just has the upper edge, plus is more likable.
Which Revan are we talking about though?
also....
oh yea, and I also honestly beleive that lucas doesnt know alot of the time what lucasarts is doing. I honestly believe that he never meant for luke to be a god... because he was only half of anakin and basically, a farmboy that overcame rising odds and determinately changed the universe, a statement that one person can make a difference. I dont think George Lucas meant to adopt the humanist notion that the moral of star wars is get the most power, become a god, and then turn the galaxy in ur favor.
[quote]and I base my dislike for luke on.... idk i just dont like luke[/qoute]
(Stands on a table and Cheers)
Hell Yes!!
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
dunno... at full potential, if what I hear about luke turning into a god in njo is true...wait a minute, what am I saying? TRUE? its all fiction people
And this is about Anakin, not Luke
Anakin Was in my opinion, the most powerful jedi except for maybe windu and yoda and obi wan... oh yea and kit fisto (maybe) in the movies... oh wait, if you really think about it, Anakin is at the bottom of the food chain as far as Legendary Jedis go... how about sith?
Better then duku, maul (wild guess but since obi was so young when he fried his....) Grevious(obi wan didnt have a hard time with him and did with anakin so I am sopposing...) and anakin is better then luke... sorry, he is... I think vader was declining and was reluctant to kill his son in the trilogy...
and I base my dislike for luke on.... idk i just dont like luke
Revan.....
He killed everyone force sensetive that was alive during the period he lived in.... but then so did anakin... almost... pluss i truly believe that the Ancient Sith Are Far more powerful than any of the more recent.
so, maybe Revan might have to use a Emergency Medpack, but he would probably make easy work of anakin.
Kit Fisto? Where did you get that idea from? And Kenobi is not a better duelist than Anakin, if that's what you mean. The circumstances of the match affected the ending (which I won't mention just now). Also, Windu would only be able to defeat Anakin with his Vaapad, otherwise he would lose a hard, long duel.
Hey, Grievous is not a Sith... and what does the fact that 'he was reluctant' has to do with anything?
Revan did not kill every Force-sensitive at the time, didn't you play the game? You surely mean every Sith, do you not? Wrong again. How do you think KOTOR 2 was made if he killed every Force-sensitive in the galaxy, eh?
The fact that Revan was the most powerful of his era doesn't mean he was more powerful than Anakin. Don't even try to compare eras, please. Revan was the strongest of his era, sure, but did he have the likes of Yoda, Mace, Kenobi, and Sidious to compete with? No.
Revan might've done much, but do you really think Anakin would've done any worse? I don't think so.
We do not know much about Revan's skill with the saber, you can't use gameplay to compare them. But using what we do know about the combatants, there is no way in which Revan could defeat Anakin in an all-out fight.
I know I didn't exactly compare their individual skills, but I'm just too lazy to do so now.
Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0
Kit Fisto? Where did you get that idea from? And Kenobi is not a better duelist than Anakin, if that's what you mean. The circumstances of the match affected the ending (which I won't mention just now). Also, Windu would only be able to defeat Anakin with his Vaapad, otherwise he would lose a hard, long duel.
Hey, Grievous is not a Sith... and what does the fact that 'he was reluctant' has to do with anything?
Revan did not kill every Force-sensitive at the time, didn't you play the game? You surely mean every Sith, do you not? Wrong again. How do you think KOTOR 2 was made if he killed every Force-sensitive in the galaxy, eh?
The fact that Revan was the most powerful of his era doesn't mean he was more powerful than Anakin. Don't even try to compare eras, please. Revan was the strongest of his era, sure, but did he have the likes of Yoda, Mace, Kenobi, and Sidious to compete with? No.
Revan might've done much, but do you really think Anakin would've done any worse? I don't think so.
We do not know much about Revan's skill with the saber, you can't use gameplay to compare them. But using what we do know about the combatants, there is no way in which Revan could defeat Anakin in an all-out fight.I know I didn't exactly compare their skills, but I'm just too lazy to do so now.
Ok man... so I didnt attach the word "major" to force sensetive in the galaxy... He killed every opposing MAJOR force sensetive in the game... Revan would own anakin all out. Anakin was not a Master Jedi. Anakin In the zone is pretty awesome stuff but cant stand up to Revan... Revan would use his force to totally own Anakin if we "dont know anything about his saber skills"
Anakin was not even CLOSE to the most powerful of his erra...
The vapaad doesnt count one bit... was duku weaker because he used makashi?
I dont care what teqnique you use when you fight, you will still only win if you are very skilled in that teqnique.
As for "the likes of Yoda, Mace, Kenobi, and Sidious to compete with" I dont see anyone there who anakin would win against.... Kenobi is defenitely the bottom of the lot and won against anakin. yes I consider the use of discretion a saber skill, not a "luck thing" the discretion and pride required to take a leap like that over a jedi master makes anakin at an all time low in my opinion. After all, they teach most of the wisdom and discretion thing before you pick up a lightsaber. this is called "form Zero"
this foolish pride of In the zone anakin would be a weakness easily exploited.
revan would own, no doubt. If anakin were to fight yoda, he would use, no doubt. if anakin were to fight mace (who you whine about vapaad so much with) he would lose. if anakin were to fight against kenobi, he lost.
anakin would be a sliced up pile of dung.