bastilla... seriously.
Ok I admit that I am a fanboy for bastilla *faints*
but.... I totally believe that bastilla is way more powerful then maul. And hot. maul would probably be too distracted and enamored like I was when I played that game to really fight his hardest. there is one advantage.
another thing, maul was just meant to add action to a filler movie. they didnt put any storyline behind him, and lucas made the sad mistake of naming his first movie star wars IV instead of star wars III, so it gave birth to a imbred movie that was just made so there would be a # 1 movie and a favorite movie for 6 and under....
I truly beleive that
A. they could have done that movie better (more maul less gay kid in brown miniskirt and gay guy in gungun outfit or no gunguns at all)
or B. they should have just after watching the finished thing, chosen not to air it. I dont know what Lucas was thinking...
back on topic thou, maul would be a pushover, and get creamed.
No.
Darth Maul is "one of the deadliest Sith apprentices in history", according to the Complete Visual Dictionary who has pushed his "physical and Force-assisted abilities to the utmost", designed to be the "ultimate weapon" for a Sith Lord with "fiercely high standards". Not only did he decimate an entire army of professional killers and bounty hunters in the employment of Black Sun, he handily defeated Anoon Bondara in single combat during the events of Shadow Hunter, a Jedi so skilled that his abilities with a lightsaber were "second to none" in the entirety of the Jedi Order itself.
Perhaps in a strict Force fight, Bastilla would emerge victorious. But otherwise? I'm afraid not.
Originally posted by Gideon
No.Darth Maul is "one of the deadliest Sith apprentices in history", according to the Complete Visual Dictionary who has pushed his "physical and Force-assisted abilities to the utmost", designed to be the "ultimate weapon" for a Sith Lord with "fiercely high standards". Not only did he decimate an entire army of professional killers and bounty hunters in the employment of Black Sun, he handily defeated Anoon Bondara in single combat during the events of Shadow Hunter, a Jedi so skilled that his abilities with a lightsaber were "second to none" in the entirety of the Jedi Order itself.
Perhaps in a strict Force fight, Bastilla would emerge victorious. But otherwise? I'm afraid not.
I would have to agree. This man wins...
Originally posted by Ivalice
How in a strict force fight is she going to emerge victorious? I see maul destroying her with TK.
Despite not displaying anything impressive with the force, let alone any impressive TK or anything that compares to what Bastilla's shown to be able to do?
Maul would logically have her beat in a lightsaber battle, but forcewise? Bastilla's shown to be able to effortlessly overpower the force defences of two powerful Jedi at once, and given how Maul got taken down by the force lightning of a no-name force sensitive bodyguard, someone like Bastilla would logically easily be able to take him down in the same way.
So all out, Bastilla wins. Lightsaber combat is useless when you're more than 10 metres away from your opponent; the force isn't.
Originally posted by MutantMessiahWait he got taken down by some not so strong nightsister? Then i concede this point.
Despite not displaying anything impressive with the force, let alone any impressive TK or anything that compares to what Bastilla's shown to be able to do?Maul would logically have her beat in a lightsaber battle, but forcewise? Bastilla's shown to be able to effortlessly overpower the force defences of two powerful Jedi at once, and given how Maul got taken down by the force lightning of a no-name force sensitive bodyguard, someone like Bastilla would logically easily be able to take him down in the same way.
So all out, Bastilla wins. Lightsaber combat is useless when you're more than 10 metres away from your opponent; the force isn't.
But i do think maul can beat her if he gets close enough for a duel.
Originally posted by MutantMessiah
Despite not displaying anything impressive with the force, let alone any impressive TK or anything that compares to what Bastilla's shown to be able to do?Maul would logically have her beat in a lightsaber battle, but forcewise? Bastilla's shown to be able to effortlessly overpower the force defences of two powerful Jedi at once, and given how Maul got taken down by the force lightning of a no-name force sensitive bodyguard, someone like Bastilla would logically easily be able to take him down in the same way.
So all out, Bastilla wins. Lightsaber combat is useless when you're more than 10 metres away from your opponent; the force isn't.
"Skilled in the use of the Dark Side of the Force."
Mighella uses a dark sword, Maul uses his lightsaber ans they duel. Maul pwns her, and then she uses lightning on him, which he resists.
If there is another instance where Maul does get taken down by a no-named bodyguard, please tell me about it.
Originally posted by darthsith19Wow great rebuttal DS seriously guess i change my opinion this time.
WTF dude??? Since when did Maul get taken down by a no-name Force Sensitive bodyguard with Force lightning? The only thing that I can think if that you could be talking about is when a Nightsister named Mighella (has a name, not a no-name), who was stated to be "skilled in the Dark Side", attacks him with lightning. Maul resists the lightning and slices her in half."Skilled in the use of the Dark Side of the Force."
Mighella uses a dark sword, Maul uses his lightsaber ans they duel. Maul pwns her, and then she uses lightning on him, [b]which he resists.
If there is another instance where Maul does get taken down by a no-named bodyguard, please tell me about it. [/B]
Yeah, that "rebuttal" only proves one thing: that darthsith is still as much of an idiot as he was when he posted here regularly. Not only does he apparently need to check up what the term no-name actually means, but it seems he should also start actually paying attention to the very comic book panels that he provides, where Maul is shown groaning on all fours after being hit by the lightning, meaning that, by definition, he was taken down by it.
Now sure, he was able to somewhat resist it and eventually managed to slice her in half, and I never denied that. The point is, he lacked the ability to block it in the first place, and the fact that he was able to resist the lightning really means little when there's nothing to suggest that the darksider was even remotely strong in the force.
Bastilla, on the other hand, was an extremely force strong Jedi, who was able to easily overpower the force defences of two Jedi Knights at once. As far as force power goes, Maul hasn't displayed a thing, and nothing suggests that he even remotely compares with her.
Even in lightsaber combat, I really don't see why people think it's so cut and dry. It can be agreed that Bastilla is far more adept with the force (meaning she would likely be able to augment her physical attributes to a higher degree, and would possess greater force senses and reflexes and such). As for technical ability, Maul was a practitioner of a [considered] incomplete lightsaber form and as far as we know has no experience going up against a wielder of the saberstaff in combat (whereas Bastilla logically would given that it was a commonly used weapon during her time). Physically, Maul's logically more impressive, but since when did that mean much to force users? In overall combat, he has a few impressive wins, but even then, his being outclassed by an enraged padawan suggests an extremely high level of incompetence.
His advantage in lightsaber ability is marginal, at best, whereas Bastilla's advantage in force ability is clearly quite firm. Factor in that the force is a far greater weapon than the lightsaber (lightsaber ability is useless in ranged combat) and Bastilla logically wins this.
Originally posted by MutantMessiah
[B]Yeah, that "rebuttal" only proves one thing: that darthsith is still as much of an idiot as he was when he posted here regularly. Not only does he apparently need to check up what the term no-name actually means, but it seems he should also start actually paying attention to the very comic book panels that he provides, where Maul is shown groaning on all fours after being hit by the lightning, meaning that, by definition, he was taken down by it.
Bastilla, on the other hand, was an extremely force strong Jedi, who was able to easily overpower the force defences of two Jedi Knights at once. As far as force power goes, Maul hasn't displayed a thing, and nothing suggests that he even remotely compares with her.
Even in lightsaber combat, I really don't see why people think it's so cut and dry. It can be agreed that Bastilla is far more adept with the force (meaning she would likely be able to augment her physical attributes to a higher degree, and would possess greater force senses and reflexes and such). As for technical ability, Maul was a practitioner of a [considered] incomplete lightsaber form and as far as we know has no experience going up against a wielder of the saberstaff in combat (whereas Bastilla logically would given that it was a commonly used weapon during her time). Physically, Maul's logically more impressive, but since when did that mean much to force users? In overall combat, he has a few impressive wins, but even then, his being outclassed by an enraged padawan suggests an extremely high level of incompetence.
Maul tools Bastilla.
In overall combat, he has a few impressive wins, but even then, his being outclassed by an enraged padawan suggests an extremely high level of incompetence.
The absurdity and ignorance of this statement, from someone who regards himself as an intellectual, baffles the mind. When Emperor Palpatine pitted Luke Skywalker against Darth Vader in combat, he instructed the untrained Jedi Knight to "use his aggressive feelings!" in combat against a powerful Sith Lord with over two decades of doctrine in dark side teachings, a seasoned and experienced combatant who spent the majority of his career purging the galaxy of Jedi. When Luke did use his feelings, he dominated Vader, despite his vastly inferior Force mastery and accomplishment as a swordsman. Mace Windu's Vaapad requires a similar mental state, transforming him into "one of the greatest duelists of the Old Republic" (ref: The Ultimate Visual Guide), utilizing the "deadliest" and "most demanding" of all the lightsaber forms. Darth Maul himself, apparently, nearly killed Darth Sidious himself in combat through use of aggression, making use of the temporary reinvigorating strength and ferociousness it gave him.
It does not speak for incompetence. Momentarily committing one's self to complete and utter hatred has been proven to be a temporary advantage, which it served for Obi-Wan Kenobi. The fact that Darth Maul obliterated Anoon Bondara in single combat is a more prominent feat than anything Bastilla Shan has done with a lightsaber.
Originally posted by MutantMessiah
Yeah, that "rebuttal" only proves one thing: that darthsith is still as much of an idiot as he was when he posted here regularly. Not only does he apparently need to check up what the term no-name actually means, but it seems he should also start actually paying attention to the very comic book panels that he provides, where Maul is shown groaning on all fours after being hit by the lightning, meaning that, by definition, he was taken down by it.Now sure, he was able to somewhat resist it and eventually managed to slice her in half, and I never denied that. The point is, he lacked the ability to block it in the first place, and the fact that he was able to resist the lightning really means little when there's nothing to suggest that the darksider was even remotely strong in the force.
And when did I look up what no-name means??? It seems like you're the one who doesn't know what it means since you thought somebody with a name is a no-name. btw please hurry up and get banned again, noobrais, nobody really wants to "debate" with you.
Originally posted by Gideon
The absurdity and ignorance of this statement, from someone who regards himself as an intellectual, baffles the mind. When Emperor Palpatine pitted Luke Skywalker against Darth Vader in combat, he instructed the untrained Jedi Knight to "use his aggressive feelings!" in combat against a powerful Sith Lord with over two decades of doctrine in dark side teachings, a seasoned and experienced combatant who spent the majority of his career purging the galaxy of Jedi. When Luke did use his feelings, he dominated Vader, despite his vastly inferior Force mastery and accomplishment as a swordsman.
Your comparison couldn't be more extreme. Luke Skywalker was a being of enormous potential that was almost fully untapped. Luke giving over to his feelings was always going to have an enormous result, however you can't just honour by association. Kenobi had been trained in the use of the lightsaber and the force for two decades, and a far lesser potential, so the effects of giving into his rage would never be quite the same.
Mace Windu's Vaapad requires a similar mental state, transforming him into "one of the greatest duelists of the Old Republic" (ref: The Ultimate Visual Guide), utilizing the "deadliest" and "most demanding" of all the lightsaber forms.
Your comparisons get more absurd by the minute. Vaapad is about enjoying the thrill of battle, and drawing from your opponent's power and reflecting it back at them. It's not even comparable to simply giving into one's rage.
Darth Maul himself, apparently, nearly killed Darth Sidious himself in combat through use of aggression, making use of the temporary reinvigorating strength and ferociousness it gave him.
Actually, it would seem that Darth Sidious may have in fact been in control of Maul's ferociousness the entire time. After Maul's rage had subsided, Sidious is seen with a rewarded smile on his face.
It does not speak for incompetence.
Right, because you say so?
Momentarily committing one's self to complete and utter hatred has been proven to be a temporary advantage, which it served for Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Substantiate the exact degree that Obi-Wan's skill increased because of it. If Maul really was as skilled as you make him out to be, than I really fail to see why he was getting as overpowered as he was by a mere Padawan/Knight, no matter how enraged said Padawan/Knight was, especially considering that as a Sith, Maul would naturally be giving into his rage anyway.
The fact that Darth Maul obliterated Anoon Bondara in single combat is a more prominent feat than anything Bastilla Shan has done with a lightsaber.
Apparently you understand exactly how their fight went better than the author of Shadow Hunter himself, as all that the book states that might even hint that as much was a possibility is that both Maul and Anoon released that Maul was the superior fighter within the first few moments of their duel. That still doesn't equate to an obliteration however. The author even goes out of his way to make mention of the fact that even when "doubling his efforts" and "gritting his teeth", Maul was still unable to break through Bondara's defence. And of course, there's also the fact that Maul never actually did manage to defeat the Twi'Lek - rather, Anoon Bondara thrust his lightsaber blade into a speeder bike in the hopes of having both himself and Maul killed from the explosion.
The fact that you would try to twist what happened into Maul "obliterating" him is laughable.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Yes he goes to his knees but gets right back up, it doesn't matter if he was down for like 2 seconds cause in the end he resisted it.
That had nothing to do with the point I was making. The fact that he lacked the precognitive ability, reflexes, and speed to prevent getting hit by the lightning in the first place would suggest a lack of ability.
So even if Bastilla could take him down for 2 seconds it wouldn't matter if he could get right back up and kill her.
Bastilla =/= Mighella. She's depicted as being an extremely talented Jedi whereas Mighella is depicted as a relative nobody. She has proven abilities that put her far above the insignificant Nightsister.
Who won that duel, Mighella or Maul? Maul did so him being taken down for 2 seconds is irrelevant. Yes he didn't block it in the first place but he did block it like 2 seconds later so he did still block it, and killed her, thus winning the duel. SO it doesn't matter if he didn't block it rught away because he did block it a few seconds later and won the duel, which is all that matters.
Making things up now are we? Here's a tip: keep the comic book pages hidden if you're going to blatantly come up with lies about them.
And Maul even calls her "strong with the Force." so prove that she isn't. Maybe she is and Maul is just stronger and that's why he blocked it.
Skilled in the darkside =/= strong in the force, not to mention that he made the reference to the general Nightsister. Fact of the matter is, Mighella has no proven force strength whatsoever, and funnily enough, neither does Maul. Bastilla, on the other hand, displays an extreme level of power (effortlessly overpowering the force defences of two Jedi at once) and logically easily has Maul beat in that department.
And when did I look up what no-name means???
I suggested it, I didn't say that you had done it.
It seems like you're the one who doesn't know what it means since you thought somebody with a name is a no-name. btw please hurry up and get banned again, noobrais, nobody really wants to "debate" with you.
Right.
No-Name.
Know what you're talking about.