Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11therefor gideon, as I had already posted those points it is you who cannot read.
Assuming makes an ass out of you and me; well, in this case, just you, but seriously -- I've clearly read your argument (if you want to call it that) and I clearly think that it's absolute bullshit. If you cant raise your game, get the hell out of the court. You're dealing with pros, here. 😉
I have also posted about bastillas ability to influence the outcome of a battle (CANNON)
...Through battle meditation, which requires her to sit her ass down and go into a ritualistic for-all-intents-and-purposes coma where she needs to be protected. Newsflash: read the f--king title; there's no one here to save her candy ass.
Bastilla overcame two powerful jedis who had gone through alot of battle experience and practice (CANNON)
What the hell -- substantiate your shit. Prove that these no-named Jedi were "powerful"; you simply saying that they are translates to absolutely nothing (much like the rest of your argument).
Mauls death from two "NEGOTIATOR JEDI" (CANON)....
Incorrect. Darth Maul dominated the two "negotiator Jedi" -- which were, in all actuality, a supremely promising padawan learner and a highly respected Jedi Master sent on a mission as diplomats in a highly profiled and ridiculously important trade dispute. He then butchered one and was killed because he made the mistake of getting cocky. Not because he was outskilled.
go buy "Hooked on Phonics" and come back and start debating again.
Carbon-copied hooklines and jabs? Try "Life For Dummies" or its popular sequel: "Originality Is Your Friend".
Originally posted by Gideon
Assuming makes an ass out of you and me; well, in this case, just you, but seriously -- I've clearly read your argument (if you want to call it that) and I clearly think that it's absolute bullshit. If you cant raise your game, get the hell out of the court. You're dealing with pros, here. 😉raise my game? every arguement you have put forward in this post has been a piece of crap that is totally incomplete and full of profanity that would easily get you banned.
...Through battle meditation, which requires her to sit her ass down and go into a ritualistic for-all-intents-and-purposes coma where she needs to be protected. Newsflash: read the f--king title; there's no one here to save her candy ass.
--true but just this one skill makes her the difference from a average sith with a unique fighting style like maul. maul was just made to put a little action into a very very very boring movie and holds no necessary storyline for the rest of Star Wars
What the hell -- substantiate your shit. Prove that these no-named Jedi were "powerful"; you simply saying that they are translates to absolutely nothing (much like the rest of your argument).
...she also was perfectly capable of standing up to revan in both his sith and lightside forms. she has had plenty of experience and was indeed skilled in the force. You are right to question the power of the no named jedi she beat. Jolee is powerful, but the cat lady was merely a average knight. Excuse the use of the word "two' and 'powerful" together. but being able to take revan and turn the tide of battle in a way that was never shown by the brute strength and brawn over brains of maul.
Incorrect. Darth Maul dominated the two "negotiator Jedi" -- which were, in all actuality, a supremely promising padawan learner and a highly respected Jedi Master sent on a mission as diplomats in a highly profiled and ridiculously important trade dispute. He then butchered one and was killed because he made the mistake of getting cocky. Not because he was outskilled.
... says you... this is a matter of opinion. he was still owned by negotiator jedi. come back with a cannon source and your newly learned reading knowledge from hooked on phonics, and you will understand that they were in fact negotiators and not as trained in dueling and also using the wrong form for the cramped area they were suckered into. find me a cannon source that they had dueled alot before maul.
Carbon-copied hooklines and jabs? Try "Life For Dummies" or its popular sequel: "Originality Is Your Friend".
...well hooked on phonics is supposed to tell you to read. how about you once again, buy it, re-read my statement, then you will understand the cleverness of this insult.
sorry about putting my remarks inside of the quote. I dont know how to work the mechanics of the forum as well as I know my way around the logic of what im trying to say. DUDE GET A GRIP... ALL YOU ARE DOING IS MAKING YOURSELF LOOK INCREDIBLY STUPID BY DENYING THAT MY ARGUEMENTS TOTALLY IMPACT THE TOPIC.
you are being a fanboy for darth maul and swooning over his double bladed lightsaber and the fact that none of the jedi order had seen it very recently, and maybe even for qui gon and Obi wan, had not seen it at all before...
and they still owned him!
so suck it up and admit you lost.
OWNED
You are dealing with one of the best debaters on these forums. He owned you, your arguments are terrible, deal with it. Stop saying bullshit because you'll end up even worse than you already are... if that's even possible. Hell, you feel like you've been here for years, and guess what? You've not even been here for two weeks. You have to earn the respect you think you have. You've been here for almost no time and you've already annoyed half of the people here. Start posting real arguments or shut the hell up.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
sorry about putting my remarks inside of the quote. I dont know how to work the mechanics of the forum as well as I know my way around the logic of what im trying to say. DUDE GET A GRIP... ALL YOU ARE DOING IS MAKING YOURSELF LOOK INCREDIBLY STUPID BY DENYING THAT MY ARGUEMENTS TOTALLY IMPACT THE TOPIC.you are being a fanboy for darth maul and swooning over his double bladed lightsaber and the fact that none of the jedi order had seen it very recently, and maybe even for qui gon and Obi wan, had not seen it at all before...
and they still owned him!
so suck it up and admit you lost.
OWNED
Hey ******, you sound dumber than Noobaris. I'm assuming you're going to be banned for incessant stupidity. You are the one making yourself look like a buffoon. You have been owned, now STFU Noob...
How about the fact the Qui-gon was one of the best in the order.
Which doesn't really mean much. The only good people we know of were Yoda, Mace and that Boodara guy.
Being one of the top in a group of negotiators and unknowns doesn't mean much.
This weakness became apparent in The Phantom Menace, when Qui-Gon Jinn was killed by Darth Maul in a confined space.
Actually, if you'd done your homework then you'd know that Maul was also a practitioner of Ataru. He does flips and everything.
Through battle meditation, which requires her to sit her ass down and go into a ritualistic for-all-intents-and-purposes coma where she needs to be protected.
Obviously you've never seen Nomi in action.
Bas only needs to go into a coma for large battles. For example, in the game KOTOR2 you could use low-level BM as an attack.
Although, that jedi in RO2 needed a trance.... probably just weak or jedi lost the Nomi-style in the 3000 years or so.
By the way, Maul would win this. Good fight though.
dude...
you guys are so... his arguements are crap. you cant give me one cannon source that says the two jedi had dealed with a sith before darth maul.... making them innexperienced.
even give me one cannon source that says they had even sparred with a master who used a double bladed Lightsaber before maul. YOU CANT.
Yea, maul got cocky, but thats something I consider a dueling skill... Discression and wisdom and good choicemaking... Puts maul at a low here.
Bastila traveled all over the galaxy at the side of Revan fighting sith and this gave her Lightsaber skills, and experience. She even kept revan at bay in the begining dream of the game.
seriously guys... you all need to reread my arguements. these are really good points.
His points are trying to make Jin and kenobi sound like gods in the lightsaber. they werent. "R
Even if bastilla didnt totally own with sabers she would just kill him with the force.
"Incorrect. Darth Maul dominated the two "negotiator Jedi" -- which were, in all actuality, a supremely promising padawan learner and a highly respected Jedi Master sent on a mission as diplomats in a highly profiled and ridiculously important trade dispute."
there is a difference between skilled and promising. Just because rotj luke has the potential for njo luke doesnt mean he didnt get owned by sideous.
Respected is quite different from "Skilled" remember. these jedi were trained during peacetime which probable meant the saber was more of an immage of a badge (like a sherrif's star) to keep the peace. Im not saying nobody fought with it I am just saying that it wouldnt be used for fighting as much during peacetime.
Anakin would have gained windu's respect by "being wise" and reporting sideous to the jedi. Then he would have been made a master.
The nature of the jedi is to respect wisdom over skill with the lightsaber. Remember that.
How can "I be owned" when I am right?
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
dude...you guys are so... his arguements are crap. you cant give me one cannon source that says the two jedi had dealed with a sith before darth maul.... making them innexperienced.
even give me one cannon source that says they had even sparred with a master who used a double bladed Lightsaber before maul. YOU CANT.
Yea, maul got cocky, but thats something I consider a dueling skill... Discression and wisdom and good choicemaking... Puts maul at a low here.
Bastila traveled all over the galaxy at the side of Revan fighting sith and this gave her Lightsaber skills, and experience. She even kept revan at bay in the begining dream of the game.
seriously guys... you all need to reread my arguements. these are really good points.
His points are trying to make Jin and kenobi sound like gods in the lightsaber. they werent. "R
Even if bastilla didnt totally own with sabers she would just kill him with the force.
"Incorrect. Darth Maul dominated the two "negotiator Jedi" -- which were, in all actuality, a supremely promising padawan learner and a highly respected Jedi Master sent on a mission as diplomats in a highly profiled and ridiculously important trade dispute."
there is a difference between skilled and promising. Just because rotj luke has the potential for njo luke doesnt mean he didnt get owned by sideous.
Respected is quite different from "Skilled" remember. these jedi were trained during peacetime which probable meant the saber was more of an immage of a badge (like a sherrif's star) to keep the peace. Im not saying nobody fought with it I am just saying that it wouldnt be used for fighting as much during peacetime.
Anakin would have gained windu's respect by "being wise" and reporting sideous to the jedi. Then he would have been made a master.
The nature of the jedi is to respect wisdom over skill with the lightsaber. Remember that.
How can "I be owned" when I am right?
You are owned because you're an idiot who doesn't understand the concept of debate, nor the laws of canon.
Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0
You are dealing with one of the best debaters on these forums. He owned you, your arguments are terrible, deal with it. Stop saying bullshit because you'll end up even worse than you already are... if that's even possible. Hell, you feel like you've been here for years, and guess what? You've not even been here for two weeks. You have to earn the respect you think you have. You've been here for almost no time and you've already annoyed half of the people here. Start posting real arguments or shut the hell up.
heck im not going to argue that im a bigger nerd then u people. nothing I have said has been BS. its all been true, cannon data.
ive been here for 2 days.
I dont want any respect. The only reason you said he owned me is because he is "one of the best debators on these forums" and you respect him for it.
my arguements are way stronger then his in the fact that mine are true.
Kenobi and Jinn werent gods, as "promising" and "respected" means in his pitiful vocabulary, and they killed maul, who supposedly deserves a medal for it.
Bastilla fought sith all over the galaxy for the title of his apprentice. she fought the great dark lord himself.
Give me a cannon source that maul stood up to a jedi or a sith of revans callibre and gave them a sollid fight, and I will tottally succede my opinion to you.
but you cant cause it didnt happen.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
heck im not going to argue that im a bigger nerd then u people. nothing I have said has been BS. its all been true, cannon data.ive been here for 2 days.
I dont want any respect. The only reason you said he owned me is because he is "one of the best debators on these forums" and you respect him for it.
my arguements are way stronger then his in the fact that mine are true.
Kenobi and Jinn werent gods, as "promising" and "respected" means in his pitiful vocabulary, and they killed maul, who supposedly deserves a medal for it.
Bastilla fought sith all over the galaxy for the title of his apprentice. she fought the great dark lord himself.
Give me a cannon source that maul stood up to a jedi or a sith of revans callibre and gave them a sollid fight, and I will tottally succede my opinion to you.
but you cant cause it didnt happen.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
you guys are so... his arguements are crap. you cant give me one cannon source that says the two jedi had dealed with a sith before darth maul.... making them innexperienced.
Oh, really? Watch TPM, the end, Qui-Gons funeral. Yoda specifically mentions that there are always two Sith, one master, one apprentice. That means the Jedi must obviously have encountered Sith in the past thousand years (since that "Rule of Two" was designed by Darth Bane). Hell...the mere fact that they can identify Maul as a "Sith" is testament to the fact that they actually do have some extensive knowledge of the Sith Order.
even give me one cannon source that says they had even sparred with a master who used a double bladed Lightsaber before maul. YOU CANT.
How does that matter? We see Qui-Gon being hard pressed against Maul during their fight on Tatooine and in that situation Maul was just using a single blade. So obviously the guy can keep up and outclass one of the Orders bests duellist while not even using the special properties of his weapon.
Yea, maul got cocky, but thats something I consider a dueling skill... Discression and wisdom and good choicemaking... Puts maul at a low here.
Well...consider the situation. Maul was trained for his entire life to kill Jedi. He got one down. The second was about to fall. Who would have expected a Padawan to pull off an action like Obi-Wan did in this situation?
Bastila traveled all over the galaxy at the side of Revan fighting sith and this gave her Lightsaber skills, and experience. She even kept revan at bay in the begining dream of the game.
Lmao. You are talking about the "dream" that happens after Revan has received a direct hit from a turbolaser shot. Impressive. Actually it would have been more useful to mention that Bastilla was apparently able to keep Malak busy over a certain amount of time, while Revan and Carth escape from the Leviathan.
Yet still she got owned by Malak. Who at this time, had studied the Sith ways for some years at max. I doubt he compares to a killing machine like Darth Maul who has been trained in the ways of the Dark Side for his entire life (more than two decades) by one of the most powerful (if not the most powerful) Sith Lord ever.
His points are trying to make Jin and kenobi sound like gods in the lightsaber. they werent. "R
They certainly aren't "gods" with their lightsabers.
Still. Qui-Gon was the former apprentice of one of the "saber gods" of the SW mythos (Dooku) and trained Obi-Wan. His attunement with the living force is also certainly nothing to cough at. And Obi-Wan himself is certainly quite a gifted Padawan - at the very least in terms of bladework.
Even if bastilla didnt totally own with sabers she would just kill him with the force.
How, huh?
Bastilla still was a freaking Padawan who's sole strength was Battle Meditation - which can't be used in this fight. How would she kill Maul with the force. Hell...how would she even touch Maul with it? Maul is a fully trained Sith Apprentice - the Malak of his time, so to say. One of the "deadliest Sith apprentices" trained in the entire history of the Order. What has Bastilla (canonically) ever done impressive with her lightsaber or the force (except for her battle meditation)? Nothing. Correct, Sir.
there is a difference between skilled and promising. Just because rotj luke has the potential for njo luke doesnt mean he didnt get owned by sideous.
WTF?
Respected is quite different from "Skilled" remember. these jedi were trained during peacetime which probable meant the saber was more of an immage of a badge (like a sherrif's star) to keep the peace. Im not saying nobody fought with it I am just saying that it wouldnt be used for fighting as much during peacetime.
Peacetime? Interresting interpretation of the pre-PT-times. I wouldn't call the Mandalorian Civil War, the Stark Hyperspace War and the Ynchorri Uprising "peaceful" times. Nor do I see where it does actually matter, given the display of actual combat skill that both Jedi do show during the TPM movie. If you own the TPM DVD you might want to check the commentary. There is a reason why Lucas does call the Jedi in general "invincible" in combat...
How can "I be owned" when I am right?
Wow. Thing that goes through my mind while reading this sentence: "Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their own level and then beat you with experience." 🙄