Originally posted by SpearofDestinyI think it's possible to change your sexual orientation. Start off straight then turn gay, I can see that happening. Same if someone starts off gay then ends up straight. Sexuality isn't absolute, girls and boys can change sexual attraction, just like one day you might like t**s better, then another day you think bums are better (obviously on a much smaller scale).
No. Gay men who sleep with women only do so because they want to cover up. If they actually enjoy sleeping with women, then thier not gay.Yes he was. He was only aroused by women. A gay man can't be aroused by women, to that extant, if he's 100% gay.
Originally posted by lord xyz
I think it's possible to change your sexual orientation. Start off straight then turn gay, I can see that happening. Same if someone starts off gay then ends up straight. Sexuality isn't absolute, girls and boys can change sexual attraction, just like one day you might like t**s better, then another day you think bums are better (obviously on a much smaller scale).
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For once, you and I agree on something
Also in reference to what I said earlier....I know people whose sexual attractions in regard to race change over time. Like I said before, my ex boyfreind used to only be attracted to white people, then he rapidly began sexual encounters with hispanics, and now he has this thing for black guys.
If someone could have such a turn around of attraction towards race, why can't the same be true for gender ?
Originally posted by SpearofDestinyCan I just ask, do you just call your boyfriends, boyfriends? Or is there some other formal name? No, buttbuddies aren't formal.
Also in reference to what I said earlier....I know people whose sexual attractions in regard to race change over time. Like I said before, my ex boyfreind used to only be attracted to white people, then he rapidly began sexual encounters with hispanics, and now he has this thing for black guys.If someone could have such a turn around of attraction towards race, why can't the same be true for gender ?
Originally posted by lord xyz
Can I just ask, do you just call your boyfriends, boyfriends? Or is there some other formal name? No, buttbuddies aren't formal.
If you mean guy freinds, or hook up buddies, no I don't refer to them as boyfreinds. I've only had two serious boyfreinds really, and the rest are guys that I was close too, and wanted to be with, but it just didn't work out.
I don't mention the hook ups, cuz there's too many of them.
Buttbuddies is a funny name and sometimes I'll call them that to tease them, but I don't use that term seriously.
Originally posted by SpearofDestinyNo, I mean if two guys went out with eachother, would they technically be eachothers boyfriend?
If you mean guy freinds, or hook up buddies, no I don't refer to them as boyfreinds. I've only had two serious boyfreinds really, and the rest are guys that I was close too, and wanted to be with, but it just didn't work out.I don't mention the hook ups, cuz there's too many of them.
Buttbuddies is a funny name and sometimes I'll call them that to tease them, but I don't use that term seriously.
Originally posted by Devil King
What you're trying to do is imply that christians think they're special "legitimately", so you can understand why homosexuals can get uppity and think they are as well.
No. Even considering your ambiguous pronoun reference, both interpretations are wrong. ("they're" referring to Christians or "they're" referring to gays.)
I was referring to specific people here. They don't want to acknowledge that some homosexuals can change. It seems that they think it takes away from their reasons of being homosexual. (Because these people I was referring to think that if you chose homosexuality later in life...you were homo the whole time.). I put the word "specialness" in quotes not to quote someone...rather to imply that I don't directly mean "specialness". "specialness" was just the first word to come to mind. I don't know how I could have conveyed that idea any better. Seriously, I am open to suggestions.
Originally posted by Devil King
But that ignores my point; that homosexuals do not think they're special. Most christians do, based on their religion or some assumed understanding of the world that no one else gets. Homosexuals (at least the ones you're talking about) think they're the same as everyone else, which is why there's no legitimate reason for them to be treated differently or seperately. Most christians confuse "gay rights" as assuming gay people want "special" rights; but they only want the same rights you so arrogantly think are yours to hand out to others. Don't hide behind the idea that your point changes simply because I didn't include the last half of your sentence.
No, homosexuals do NOT think they are like everyone. Society makes sure of that.
Most Christians do NOT confuse gay rights with "special rights". They think it is "allowing sin to take over our country by acknowledging that homosexuality is OK on a lawful level." Westboro baptist church comes to mind.
My point does change by including the last half...because it shows that I had different intentions. This is done all the time in "gray" journalism.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No. Even considering your ambiguous pronoun reference, both interpretations are wrong. ("they're" referring to Christians or "they're" referring to gays.)I was referring to specific people here. They don't want to acknowledge that some homosexuals can change. It seems that they think it takes away from their reasons of being homosexual. (Because these people I was referring to think that if you chose homosexuality later in life...you were homo the whole time.). I put the word "specialness" in quotes not to quote someone...rather to imply that I don't directly mean "specialness". "specialness" was just the first word to come to mind. I don't know how I could have conveyed that idea any better. Seriously, I am open to suggestions.
No, homosexuals do NOT think they are like everyone. Society makes sure of that.
Most Christians do NOT confuse gay rights with "special rights". They think it is "allowing sin to take over our country by acknowledging that homosexuality is OK on a lawful level." Westboro baptist church comes to mind.
My point does change by including the last half...because it shows that I had different intentions. This is done all the time in "gray" journalism.
I agree with you on everything, except one thing:
Gays don't choose to be gay later in life. There's no choice involved in attraction.
If one's attractions change, it happens on its own, without one's permission. Otherwise, everyone would be happy, because they would make themselves attracted to people they aren't attracted too already, and no one would complain about being single, or not being able to find love.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I agree with you on everything, except one thing:Gays don't choose to be gay later in life. There's no choice involved in attraction.
If one's attractions change, it happens on its own, without one's permission. Otherwise, everyone would be happy, because they would make themselves attracted to people they aren't attracted too already, and no one would complain about being single, or not being able to find love.
I know I know.....it just happens...I should have clarified what I meant again because I explained what I meant the other thread about "chosen or genetic."
I am not a believer in choice not playing a role. When I say, "yes, you have choice"...I include things that do not involve direct conscious choice. I am referring things like to considering homosexuality. Choosing your environment. Choosing your associations and various others. These choices can stimulate a sexual orientation change.
Regardless of whether or not we practice introspection to review the consequence of these choices (whether they are positive or negative), these choices still affect the outcomes of our experiences.........................I just thought of something....Causality is a better word.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I know I know.....it just happens...I should have clarified what I meant again because I explained what I meant the other thread about "chosen or genetic."I am not a believer in choice not playing a role. When I say, "yes, you have choice"...I include things that do not involve direct conscious choice. I am referring things like to considering homosexuality. Choosing your environment. Choosing your associations and various others. These choices can stimulate a sexual orientation change.
Regardless of whether or not we practice introspection to review the consequence of these choices (whether they are positive or negative), these choices still affect the outcomes of our experiences.........................I just thought of something....Causality is a better word.
hmmmm....
I never chose to be Gay, and every other gay guy will tell you the same thing. If we did, we would just admit it...and argue freedom of choice.
Ofcourse your choices determine your life experiences, but you can't say homosexuality is a direct result of choice.
Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Ofcourse your choices determine your life experiences, but you can't say homosexuality is a direct result of choice.
Right....choice can be an indirect factor of homosexuality. I guess it is just once slice of the pie to determine your sexuality....
After talking about this with Bardock42, it seems that choice, indirectly and directly, genetic predisposition, and environment (which for the sake of this "pie" it mutually exclusive with the "choice" slice.) are the factors that determine sexual orientation........and maybe one or two more things that I haven't thought.
Is personality and perspective a genetic thing too? Are there some things that make up part of our personality that are not explained with chemicals~genetics? I don't feel like typing a huge long post about what I meant, but you get the point, right?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Right....choice can be an indirect factor of homosexuality. I guess it is just once slice of the pie to determine your sexuality....After talking about this with Bardock42, it seems that choice, indirectly and directly, genetic predisposition, and environment (which for the sake of this "pie" it mutually exclusive with the "choice" slice.) are the factors that determine sexual orientation........and maybe one or two more things that I haven't thought.
Is personality and perspective a genetic thing too? Are there some things that make up part of our personality that are not explained with chemicals~genetics? I don't feel like typing a huge long post about what I meant, but you get the point, right?
I beleive everything is genetic and environmental. Environment means interaction with the environment as well, not just observation, so perhaps choice is involved as well.
But to say "being gay is a choice" is incorrect nonetheless. You still have to have a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality in order to have any sexual attraction at all.
Someone could be heterosexual with genetic tendencies, although those tendencies never manifest. Something could be a trigger, who knows.
Heterosexual couples give birth to homosexual children. We all know that. If genetics is a part, then that means heterosexual parents have the genes by which their children may be predisposed to develop homosexual or bisexual, the same way two brown eyed parents can give birth to a green or blue eyed child.
Originally posted by dadudemon
After talking about this with Bardock42, it seems that choice, indirectly and directly, genetic predisposition, and environment (which for the sake of this "pie" it mutually exclusive with the "choice" slice.) are the factors that determine sexual orientation........and maybe one or two more things that I haven't thought.
Well shit then, can you two tackle the "riddle of steel" next?