At a glance, there are some seriously unstoppable things that could be done:
Starving Galactus + 5 one pointers. Big G turns one pointers into 5 Heralds with all sorts of whacky Power Cosmic abilities: Instant 50 point team.
Pick Darkseid or Thunderbolt and BFR the whole other team.
HoM Wanda 21pts...
These are perfectly valid within the rules, but would be no fun whatsoever for the participants.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
At a glance, there are some seriously unstoppable things that could be done:
Starving Galactus + 5 one pointers. Big G turns one pointers into 5 Heralds with all sorts of whacky Power Cosmic abilities: Instant 50 point team.
Lol, I like you're creativitiy, but that isn't happening. A starving Galactus as seen in Fantastic Four #243 was laid down by Dr. Strange, and the Thing. He won't have the energy to create five new simultaneous heralds.
And the rules
#2 Characters will act in-character.
Yeah, I don't see Galactus creating 5 new random Heralds with powers that you will have to come up with and explain. It's not in Galactus's nature to be dropping new heralds left and right for just one battle, especially when he is starving.
#7 The default is no prep whatsoever and no knowledge of who you are fighting. You must expend points to obtain prep and/or knowledge.
If you ARE drafting Galactus, Galactus won't have the energy, time, or even the motive for execute your plan. Even when Galactus has actually allied with Marvel characters in the past I haven't seen him creating new Heralds. But your welcome to try to actually argue Galactus doing it. But I don't see that happening. Remember this is not what you want to happen but what would most likely happen with the characters, prep, and knowledge you have obtained.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
Pick Darkseid or Thunderbolt and BFR the whole other team.
Battlefield Removal: Remove one foe from the field of battle (failure is possible based on plausibility of battle writeup; removed being can come back so long as he/she has the power to do so)
Even though Darkseid doesn't have to pay for Battlefield removal, he is still limited to one character removal, and even that isn't guaranteed.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
HoM Wanda 21pts...
Uh-huh I don't recall HoM Wanda being listed for 21 points, and I don't see House of M Wanda under any of the categories. I would allow regular Scarlett Witch, but Enhanced Herald and Prime Herald are restricted to what I wrote.
Besides even if I allowed HoM Wanda for even 10 points, you would still need to pay 19 points for reality manipulation. It's priced out your range.
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Hehe, are you trying to get Regular Scarlet Witch for 2 points (who by the way, she is 3 points) and pay 19 points for reality manipulation? Nice try. Not that easy! HoM Wanda is a seperate version of the character and buying her plus the reality manipulation ability costs more than 25 points. Essentially she's priced out of range.
I must say...KMC is really putting these rules through its paces, and trying to find loopholes in the rules before the tournament has even begun. lol
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So you're not going to take out the Thunderbolt? 😐
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over your clucking.
I kid. I kid. But seriously, either enter this tournament and show me how broken my set-up really is, or please stop saying you won't join because it's too "broken." Unless you actually show me personally, I won't learn from my "mistakes" 😉.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Uh-huh I don't recall HoM Wanda being listed for 21 points, and I don't see House of M Wanda under any of the categories. I would allow regular Scarlett Witch, but Enhanced Herald and Prime Herald are restricted to what I wrote.Besides even if I allowed HoM Wanda for even 10 points, you would still need to pay 19 points for reality manipulation. It's priced out your range.
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Hehe, are you trying to get Regular Scarlet Witch for 2 points (who by the way, she is 3 points) and pay 19 points for reality manipulation? Nice try. Not that easy! HoM Wanda is a seperate version of the character and buying her plus the reality manipulation ability costs more than 25 points. Essentially she's priced out of range.
As written, there is no 3 point category. Your 2 point category is everything superhuman below Iron-Man. Even with a 4 point Wanda though, without reality manipulation she's got bad luck hexes, some minor magic, and healing. Sounds like below Iron-Man to me. Without RM, what on Earth does HoM wanda have to make her a 10-pointer like 70's Thanos?
In concept though, how else were you envisioning a Reality Manipulation buy? Is Rick Jones with the Destiny Force also a separate version of the character and thus unavailable as well? What Jean Grey + Reality Manipulation for a 23 point Phoenix? If I take Mastermind and tack on the Power Gem (12-14 total pts), would I need Reality Manipulation as well?
I might also suggest that setting up low-powered versions of forum favorites as choices (weakest Galactus ever, 70's Thanos) is asking for voter confusion as far as acceptable feats and capabilities.
Again, I like the concept here, it just seems very arbitrarily executed and prone to wide imbalances in effectiveness with a given point cost.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
As written, there is no 3 point category.
True I didn't directly write the 3 point category on there, but I did mention wolverine and sabretooth being 3 points. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. From now on I will a seperate 3 point meta category for metas that are 3. But really I encourage everyone to compare their choices to what I wrote down, if you have any issues, just ask me what you think.
20 point Galactus is starving and is hungry, and you have (5) five points, what do you do or what can you buy? Be creative in your write-up and make those 5 points count if you really want Galactus.
5 – Battlefield Removal: Remove one foe from the field of battle (failure is possible based on plausibility of battle writeup; removed being can come back so long as he/she has the power to do so)
5 – Knowledge of the Opposition, Lv. 3: Extensive knowledge of all opponents on opposing team including strengths and weaknesses
5 – Mind Control: Control one foe (failure is possible based on plausibility of battle writeup; Mind Control can also be used on unruly teammates with failure possible based on plausibility of battle writeup)
5 – Prep Time, Lv. 3: Thirty-six(36) hours spent in either a mystic sanctum or scientific lab
5 – Spying during prep: This can only be done if your team has a means to detect others from a distance through magic, psi, etc.
With what's available I am sure you can think of something for those 5 points.
EDIT: I remember a young wild Laminator X who made the moon explode in his write-up a long long time ago.
Originally posted by Evangel94
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over your clucking.I kid. I kid. But seriously, either enter this tournament and show me how broken my set-up really is, or please stop saying you won't join because it's too "broken." Unless you actually show me personally, I won't learn from my "mistakes" 😉.
A better approach might be to take some time to adjust the broken parts of the overall good idea so that those of us joining can have a fun and rewarding experience.
Otherwise, we'll end up moving into a very bitter and frustrating draft stage where nobody's sure what exactly is or is not legal and having to revise our line-ups over and over. That wold be followed by some very boring/lopsided early matches leading to finals between whomever manages to game the rules the most cleverly/badly.
I'd much rather we take the time to work out some solutions than either gripe about or ignore problems.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
As written, there is no 3 point category. Your 2 point category is everything superhuman below Iron-Man. Even with a 4 point Wanda though, without reality manipulation she's got bad luck hexes, some minor magic, and healing. Sounds like below Iron-Man to me. Without RM, what on Earth does HoM wanda have to make her a 10-pointer like 70's Thanos?In concept though, how else were you envisioning a Reality Manipulation buy? Is Rick Jones with the Destiny Force also a separate version of the character and thus unavailable as well? What Jean Grey + Reality Manipulation for a 23 point Phoenix? If I take Mastermind and tack on the Power Gem (12-14 total pts), would I need Reality Manipulation as well?
I might also suggest that setting up low-powered versions of forum favorites as choices (weakest Galactus ever, 70's Thanos) is asking for voter confusion as far as acceptable feats and capabilities.
Again, I like the concept here, it just seems very arbitrarily executed and prone to wide imbalances in effectiveness with a given point cost.
Lol, that would be funny if HoM wanda is allowed.
Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer, Gladiator
vs
HoM Wanda
HoM Wanda: No more.....*gets hit in the face by mjolnir*
Thor: I say thee nay!
Originally posted by Evangel94
20 point Galactus is starving and is hungry, and you have (5) five points, what do you do or what can you buy? Be creative in your write-up and make those 5 points count if you really want Galactus.With what's available I am sure you can think of something for those 5 points.
EDIT: I remember a young wild Laminator X who made the moon explode in his write-up a long long time ago.
Oh absolutely, I was planning on taking Galactus and using 36 hours of prep in a lab build his big machine to open (and close) each match by consuming the planet. Really, how else could I top the moon thing. 😉
The real question is would he still be starving after that, or would he then enter his next match fed?
The idea isn't whether or not Galactus or Darkseid is really worth 20 points in this tournament. Some characters may be overpriced in your opinion, and some may. But its what you can do with 25 points and what creative strategies you can create while staying within the point cap.
Although, I don't want to give anyone any hints, I will tell you whether or not your strategy is valid, so if you are afraid of revealing your trump card just ask me in a PM instead of posting questions here in this thread. Plenty of your opponents have been coming up with some very funny and creative ideas in their PM's to me while working with a 25 point cap.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I agree with some of the general questions here.Can you put together a list of exactly what powers Heralds and up have available? (ie Surfer can destroy planets but would using his powers like that require UtterlyDevastationAttack?)
Does Silver Surfer have some sort of Godblast like attack I am not aware of? I thought that was just him not holding back.
Usually Surfer can get the job done without blowing up the planet. However he is a pacifist and prefers not to exert that much unnecessary power unless pushed. That's just his nature. Remember the characters will act in character rule?
If you truly want to unlock surfer's power, why don't you make a 2 person amalgam with one of then being silver surfer, and replace silver surfer's mind with someone's who isn't afraid to hold back?
Unless Silver Surfer is fighting someone who will make him fight not holding back... hmm...