Originally posted by Kapton JACYou replied, that shows interest. Apparently, Exanda knew what he was doing reviving this.
This is absolutely hilarious... and, yet, a mildly depressing view into the state of the human race. he sits here arguing when noone is even arguing back. This desparation for conflict, could it be to prove to himself that he's beter than others? only time will tell.I will make this final statement, and this IS where it ends:
I really don't care what people think about what makes Star Wars great anymore, in the end it boils down to personal prefrence. Something I failed to realise before, but now do, and thus, this entire discussion is pointless. And your part in reviving it, and arguinw with... well noone... just re-inforces my previous statements about you.
Originally posted by BetrayedUnicorn
A sucky knock off of star trek
Yep!
With Han Solo/Luke playing a Flash Gordon-esque role (though I like Flash Gordon franchise) while fighting the agents of the Empire; the Evil General Darth Vader and his right hand man Quick Draw Boba Fett. It wouldn't lend much to the imagination that's for sure.
Dune had a story element like the Jedi and the force, what with the prescience of the Atreides family and their golden way and the Voice of the gesserit sisters, not to mention a "chosen one" legend in the kwisatz haderach. Every great space opera has it's "Jedi", the swashbuckling gunman is usually just a side kick in these times of stories i.e. Han solo . Star Wars would be poorer without Jedi.
Originally posted by Kapton JAC
This is absolutely hilarious... and, yet, a mildly depressing view into the state of the human race. he sits here arguing when noone is even arguing back. This desparation for conflict, could it be to prove to himself that he's beter than others? only time will tell.
No need to be melodramatic about the 'state of the human race.' If I were that wet, I'd make you an example and pull a Morgan Freeman, saying that the 'state of the human' race is cancerous because they have absolutedly no 'backbone' or 'tenacity' whatsoever. In fact, the reason you waste a paragraph on that (remember, I'm just responding to you where it counts) shows that you have nothing to offer to the civil discussion other than seminal bickering.
I really don't care what people think about what makes Star Wars great anymore, in the end it boils down to personal prefrence. Something I failed to realise before, but now do, and thus, this entire discussion is pointless. And your part in reviving it, and arguinw with... well noone... just re-inforces my previous statements about you.
Take it or leave it, I said I would revive it to remind you that you simply can't put together a concise argument and I can, contrary to what you say in your limited contributions in these forums. If you leave it, then I think I am at liberty to ignore anything phattic you say in other threads. If you bite the bullet and try to reply with a (coherent at least) argument, then at least you'll make yourself look like less of a carpet.
Remember, it's a discussion, not a heated argument (well it's quite easy for me) and you can't really convince anyone otherwise.
Originally posted by Allankles
Dune had a story element like the Jedi and the force, what with the prescience of the Atreides family and their golden way and the Voice of the gesserit sisters, not to mention a "chosen one" legend in the kwisatz haderach. Every great space opera has it's "Jedi", the swashbuckling gunman is usually just a side kick in these times of stories i.e. Han solo . Star Wars would be poorer without Jedi.
Then why is Dune not as successful as Star Wars if we consider the Bene Gesserit to be the generic collective of monks that, in Star Wars, are called Jedi?
Fine.
Maybe everyone liked the way the several common elements were arranged in Star Wars, and the lacking of one element (Whether it be the Jedi, or the western influence, or whatever) would have caused it to be not as popular.
This is my belief and yes, kane, it IS different that what I started out with because the Jedi, I now realize, are not the singular most impoartant element to Star wars, but I still believe that it wouldn't have worked out without them. On the flip-side of that also is that fact that it wouldn't have worked out without the western influence.
It is as popular as it is because it is what it is. If there were one element lacking then it would not be what it is and thus not as popular.
You do, however hae to factor in marketing. Most of the time a great product, poorly marketed, will not be as popular, just because fewer people know of it.
But what I have learned from this is noone will ever know what could have been, and we all have differing opinions, but a discussion about it can never come to an absolute conclusion. I have stated mine, you have stated yours, neither will change, so let's let it die.
Originally posted by exanda kane
Then why is Dune not as successful as Star Wars if we consider the Bene Gesserit to be the generic collective of monks that, in Star Wars, are called Jedi?
Simple. Star Wars had great timing, it came at a time when sci-fi in the theatres were few and far between and for the most part: awful. Secondly, it was from its inception a feature film unlike Dune which started as a novel. Thirdly, Dune was not properly adapted into the big screen. The 1984 movie was not made with popularity in mind, it was made to satisfy those fans who wanted a movie adaptation but not for those who wouldn't have read the book/s.
The more recent Dune miniseries was a better attempt but it was a straight-to-tv adaptation. Dune certainly had a chance, but I don't believe it's the kind of fictional universe that would ever have had mass popularity on the level of SW. The Gesserit sisters are not warriors, they control minds, can kill with a mystical application of their voice etc. (I know they can fight, but that isn't their strength) In contrast to the Jedi they are politicians, constantly jostling for positions of power in the administrative hierachy of the imperial government.
The Atreides family are the good guys but they are noble men not a bunch of rebel fighters. The Hakonnen Baron doesn't make a popular villain either - he's morbidly obese, obnoxious, cowardly, weak yet clever and persistent etc Even the sand people (forget their names) are not portrayed fully in the movies. Maybe if a director similar to Peter Jackson had taken the reigns, the grand epic that is Dune the novel would have been better translated to the movies.
Originally posted by Allankles
Simple. Star Wars had great timing, it came at a time when sci-fi in the theatres were few and far between and for the most part: awful. Secondly, it was from its inception a feature film unlike Dune which started as a novel. Thirdly, Dune was not properly adapted into the big screen. The 1984 movie was not made with popularity in mind, it was made to satisfy those fans who wanted a movie adaptation but not for those who wouldn't have read the book/s.
That really isn't the right answer, although I can see where you are coming from. Star Wars being succesful has nothing to do with Sci-Fi whatsoever though, but rather the Western, the Baby Boom and new management in Hollywood. Jedi aren't responsible for Star Wars being succesful in the first place so Star Wars aren't neccesarily what make it tick.
Originally posted by pgdarth95The f*ck is up with you and Michael Jackson (and spelling his name wrong somehow)? Were you one of the few kids who liked his antics?
it would crash down like mikel jaksons socks i mean the whole point of starwars is the jedi/sith like if you search "starwars" on youtube all that would come is corny lightsaber fights between two or more people! starwars without jedi/sith would be bulls*it