CLONE WARS MOVIE Coming to THEATRES!

Originally posted by chik4lit
I think that's exactly what that means.

Then you think entirely wrong! There's no other way to put that. Don't confuse any form of personality or characterisation with a grey area. Han is absolutely pure 100% good guy. Han's story in ANH is about him coming to terms with it, but that is what he was, all the time.

As to GL not living up to his intent- your opinion of him must be exceptionally low for that, because putting your characters into simple good guy/bad guy brackets is probably the easiest thing to do of all facets of characterisation. So I am highly confident in putting the fault into a fantasising viewer rather than the film maker.

HAHA. THis comming from the dude who expresses that Vader is ALL bad and clones have NO moral sense. What a hypocrite. And your continued iconization of Lucas just furthers the depths of your personal misinterpretation.

Hardly.... has nothing to do with "iconising" Lucas, it's just what he said about it... time and time again. Don't stamp anything on SW that isn't there. If you're not content with Lucas, you can be, but don't go changing his creation for something it isn't.

Originally posted by Alliance
HAHA. THis comming from the dude who expresses that Vader is ALL bad and clones have NO moral sense. What a hypocrite. And your continued iconization of Lucas just furthers the depths of your personal misinterpretation.

You say 'this coming' as if something I have said in that department renders what I say above worthless. It does not, so a bit of a waste of time saying that. Rather like that charge of hypocrisy, which you seem to have randomly inserted with no sense or meaning behind it. Rather water off a duck's back, that.

Seeing as my personal interpretation is also GL's interpretation I am very solid and happy with it. Your nonsense you make up is risible.

I don't iconise GL at all, or I wouldn't harp on about how much he messed up ROTJ. Of course you want to THINK I iconise him because that's the only way you can try and get away from the fact that I keep using him to show up your views as gibberish.

As you are constanrly reminded, it has nothing to do with how much anyone likes or dislikes GL. It is simply that his word is law, for good or bad. I simply don't think it is as bad as you often make out, and I certainly value his interpretations and approaches above yours. Frankly yours are terrible.

Clone love makes blind, Ush.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
You say 'this coming' as if something I have said in that department renders what I say above worthless. It does not, so a bit of a waste of time saying that. Rather like that charge of hypocrisy, which you seem to have randomly inserted with no sense or meaning behind it. Rather water off a duck's back, that.

Seeing as my personal interpretation is also GL's interpretation I am very solid and happy with it. Your nonsense you make up is risible.

I don't iconise GL at all, or I wouldn't harp on about how much he messed up ROTJ. Of course you want to THINK I iconise him because that's the only way you can try and get away from the fact that I keep using him to show up your views as gibberish.

As you are constanrly reminded, it has nothing to do with how much anyone likes or dislikes GL. It is simply that his word is law, for good or bad. I simply don't think it is as bad as you often make out, and I certainly value his interpretations and approaches above yours. Frankly yours are terrible.

Gibberish please. You consitantly interpret the films and then call my interpretations wrong. You can't have it both ways Ush. "Don't confuse any form of personality or characterisation with a grey area." :haha: Please.

Originally posted by queeq
Clone love makes blind, Ush.

I'm not the resident lemming... *points*

Do I detect a certain resentment?

Just because GL stated something as his intention, doesn't mean he necessarily pulled it off. And I don't have a low opinion of him (though I do believe that his strength lies in concepts instead of the actual process of making movies), but I don't think people would respond the way they did, I certainly wouldn't have responded the way I did, if the story were so plain.

And people do not miraculously snap between black and white, there is always a transition.

Not in SW. SW is not reality.

Name one thing that happens in a fictional movie that would happen in real life? Nothing. The point is not the event, the point is the outcome. And the outcome of Vader is that redemption is possible if you abandon your wicked ways. Ergo, a transition from balck to white.

Originally posted by queeq
Not in SW. SW is not reality.

Name one thing that happens in a fictional movie that would happen in real life?

The Chancellor is elected to rule his nation. He hates a religious group with a long history and builds a grand army. Then he starts to hunt the members of this group down and uses his army consisting of members of a single race to enforce his will.

Originally posted by queeq
Name one thing that happens in a fictional movie that would happen in real life?

Don't be so ignorant. THe ENITRE premise of fiction is that its based in fiction, otherwise there would be no way for us to comprehend it. Fiction changes a few minor things from reality to create an ALTERED REALITY, not an unreality.

The reason science fiction works is because you still have the basic psychologies of humans in place. That's the only way people can respond to it.

Originally posted by Alliance
THe ENITRE premise of fiction is that its based in fiction,

He means its based in non-fiction.

I knew what you meant. I was responding to queeq.

I know, just correcting myself.

Arts imitates life, fiction reflects reality. True. But I don't know of anyone who can fly from one planet to another in hyperspace.

Stories reflect reality to bring out a certain point. Therefore storytelling has to have structure and rules. One of the rules of SW is that it's all black or white. You can dislike it, but that's the way it is. SW is a plain old good vs. evil story, and like the old Westerns: bad gunslinger is black, good gunslinger is white - see ANH. Later on Lucas plays with the colors, but only with the means to show Luke's maturity and refelction of his father's life.

I agree that that was the concept of the first film, and it can certainly be argued that GL pulled it off with the first film, but once the directing and screenwriting moved out of his hands in the OT, it was taken to a different psychological level.

Not really. It got more depth to the characters, but not to a level of grey areas in being good or bad.

How about we call this one a tie? You're not going to change your mind, and I'm not going to change mine.

*offers hand to shake*

*shakes hand*

But it's not really a tie. It's not even a quarrel with or about my mind, it's about Lucas' mind.