Yes, because he wants to join with Luke and continue hs reign of terror in the Galaxy alongside him.
That Vader is still the vader who has effectively killd millions and personally murders others others without any hesitiation at all- even with glee. Adding some complication to his character does not make him any less black- he''s pitch black, through and through.
It's not until he finally gets a chance to truly reflect on what has happaned- at the end of ROTJ- that he immediately snaps back with no intermediary stage.
He was never grey, at all.
as effing always. And its always the opposite of what I see. Not suprising and I don't give a f*ck.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
That Vader is still the vader who has effectively killd millions and personally murders others others without any hesitiation at all- even with glee. Adding some complication to his character does not make him any less black- he''s pitch black, through and through.
By this logic, he's alwas "pitch black" He never becomes the person who didn't murder others. You have a gap in your own argument.
Originally posted by Alliance
as effing always. And its always the opposite of what I see. Not suprising and I don't give a f*ck.By this logic, he's alwas "pitch black" He never becomes the person who didn't murder others. You have a gap in your own argument.
Well, indeed, from one view he IS always the person who did all those murders- though at the end, he suiddenly becomes someone who wouldn't do them again, which is the crucial switch, not that that absolves him. But as is clearly portrayed in ROTJ, at that point, once he makes that shift he is no longer really the same person. He's the person he used to be.
(Though it;'s a bit of a shame that the PT shows that... being the person he used to be is hardly a great thing either)
Still, directly from black to white.
He's always grey. From the moment we see him in Ep I until he's dead, even in his redemption. Sure, he didn't have a lot of time there to be grey at the end, but he's human and I feel safe in assuming that no matter what valiant act he'd just committed, there is still some of the bad. Just like there was still some of the good when he was "evil."
Hardly! Ep IV may have started out as a simple morality tale but the second we found out that Vader is really Anakin, all the shades of grey were introduced. It may have even happened before that, now that I think about it. Han is a grey character. He helps the heroes in the first movie, but, initially, only for money. That hardly makes him sparkling white.
Originally posted by chik4lit
Hardly! Ep IV may have started out as a simple morality tale but the second we found out that Vader is really Anakin, all the shades of grey were introduced. It may have even happened before that, now that I think about it. Han is a grey character. He helps the heroes in the first movie, but, initially, only for money. That hardly makes him sparkling white.
Wrong on both counts.
The whole Vader thing is, as I say, swung to extremes. He was never grey at all. There was no transition. He was always either good or evil. Never in-between.
And Han? The WHOLE point of Han, made exceptionally hard in ANH, is that Han is ACTUALLY good. He doesn't enjoy it, he's not proud and he wants to hide it, but he cannot escape it. He acts as a tough talking, no-nonsense immoral scoundrel, but he's got a heart of pure gold.
That's why he turned the Falcon around, and stayed with the Rebellion.
And I hate to mention it... but let it not be forgotten that GL took out him firing first because he thought that compromised that facet of Han- making him look possibly not as white as he was meant to.
GL's intent- stated numerous times in interview- is clear. It's all black and white. If you are seeing grey in the OT you are deluding yourself into seeing things that are not there.
What nonsense. Thousands of (succesful) films have been made with characters completely white or black... numerous westerns etc. You are confusing that often characters get some kind of ambiguity, like Han the way Ush described him. Characters that have yet come to grip with being white or black. That doesn't make them grey though.