Christ, what a child you've been Evangel. I won't bother quoting, because anyone can see the insults being flung at me. If you can't see that you arbitrarily changed your own rules because you didn't like how I used them, I feel sorry for you. If the rules were flawed, it's your fault, not mine for using them to their fullest.
And I like how you split hairs...so I had to tell you the exact weapons I was building? And otherwise you think I was lying to you? I did the upright thing and checked with you on everything that was potentially controversial, and when I said I would be creating tech with matter manip, and you approved it, that's exactly what I did. Apparently I'm a cheat though for not saying the exact tech I'd be building.
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I don't know if you're just deluded with power or trying to save face....but all this has been is you attempting to justify a mid-match rule change. That's what it boils down to at the end of the day....justify it however you want to make yourself believe you aren't a failure as a host, and as a KMC member for treating me with such utter disdain when I did everything in my power to keep this respectful until I was ignored, banned, and repeatedly insulted.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I did everything in my power to keep this respectful until I was ignored, banned, and repeatedly insulted.
I thought you dropped out (as opposed to being kicked out)?
"For the record, I am done with the tourney, and have no designs on coming back." --Digi (Mar. 23, 2008 - 11:32 pm)
"If you wish to no longer continue Digimark007, then I understand, and will schedule the remaining matches accordingly." --Evangel (Mar. 24, 2008 - 12:09 am)
"The whole thing has me pretty disenchanted with the tourney, and since nothing was overturned in that post, my plan is still illegal. Rule changes shouldn't be happening at this point. And I'm done." --Digi (Mar. 24, 2008 - 12:23 am)
MB, why have you butted in every time we're talking? What has this ever had to do with you? I can appreciate your input if it's something we don't alreayd know, but when it's clearly a personal argument, why try to interject?
Beyond that, I requested (even as I initially dropped out) to be allowed in the FFA round, which I was not. And it does nothing to erase the other two (ignoring and insulting), which in my mind are more serious, especially after I walked away for weeks only to find Evangel misrepresenting my words and insulting me again (which is the only reason I'm back here right now, since I was more than happy to let things be...but I won't stand by while someone drags my name through the mud presumably after it should be done with).
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Originally posted by DigiMark007
I won't bother quoting, because anyone can see the insults being flung at me.
The reason you didn't quote any of Evangel's alleged insults couldn't possibly be because she hasn't insulted you, could it? It would actually help support a claim by providing evidence of it.
Here are things that do kinda sound like insults though:
"Christ, what a child you've been Evangel."
"justify it however you want to make yourself believe you aren't a failure as a host, and as a KMC member"
Originally posted by DigiMark007
MB, why have you butted in every time we're talking? What has this ever had to do with you? I can appreciate your input if it's something we don't alreayd know, but when it's clearly a personal argument, why try to interject?Beyond that, I requested (even as I initially dropped out) to be allowed in the FFA round, which I was not. And it does nothing to erase the other two (ignoring and insulting), which in my mind are more serious, especially after I walked away for weeks only to find Evangel misrepresenting my words and insulting me again (which is the only reason I'm back here right now, since I was more than happy to let things be...but I won't stand by while someone drags my name through the mud presumably after it should be done with).
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Why do I interject? Sorry, when I see things that are being tossed around that I 'believe' to be false (meaning I could be wrong and you could be right) I try to step in and state respectfully what I believe the case to be. It would be the same if Evangel said things about you that I found to be untrue, I would interject in the same manner.
Also, you may see my posts as butting in, but you certainly didn't view Cresh as butting in when he argued 'vigorously' against Evangel in your support (which he has every right to do).
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I can appreciate your input if it's something we don't alreayd know, but when it's clearly a personal argument, why try to interject?😬
If it were a personal argument, you would've resorted to PMs, would you not?
By posting it on a public thread, you obviously wanted others to read this 'personal argument' and perhaps weigh in on it, as long as they agree with how atrocious of a host Evangel has been.
I mean, I certainly doubt you would've asked me why I butt in if I said 'Evangel's horrible judgment crippled Digi's plan'.
Originally posted by Master-BorgYou realize that you don't have to resort to name calling to insult a person don't you? Personally I take people lieing to me as an insult akin to calling me stupid to my face. Digimark might not like being painted as a badguy as Eva's "bringing you up to speed" made him out to be. Depicting events with the person in a negative light can be insulting. The way she makes herself out to be innocent and Digimark the aggressor can be insulting. Digimark won the match with Stacks. Rightfully Digi should have been given Stack's place especially with him being banned. but before that sending Stacks to the "last chance final" if he had not been banned.
The reason you didn't quote any of Evangel's alleged insults couldn't possibly be because she hasn't insulted you, could it?
Some people feel that being ignored as Digi had been is an insult akin to telling them "you're not worthy of a response."
But if you feel that someone has to directly call you a name to be an insult, then you couldn't possibly understand why we were upset.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You realize that you don't have to resort to name calling to insult a person don't you?
of course. It still helps to quote what you thought were insults to back up your claims. And I'm not saying Evangel didn't insult Digi, I haven't been privy to all their communication.
But if you don't post something to support a claim, anyone could just level a charge that someone insulted them.
I mean, if I reported to a mod that someone insulted me, surely I would have to post evidence of some kind.
Originally posted by Master-BorgBecause that certainly worked when I was bothered by your interjection did it not? You told me you were done and then turned right around and turned that into a lie. So you yourself are a great example of how "taking it to the PMs" doesn't always work. I still have the PM if you want me to post it again.
If it were a personal argument, you would've resorted to PMs, would you not?
Originally posted by Master-BorgYou'll note that Digi didn't remark on Darth's defense of Eva. Only yours. You were not a competitor. Yet you interjected before. Some of the competitors, namely me, asked you to stop so that matters could be resolved peaceably and the concerns be addressed. You didn't. instead you continued to post, irritating those that were involved as YOU had no authority on the matter. Yet, you still posted. Much like these joke of aspirations to be a moderator. By playing the part before you're given the part you irritate many people.
By posting it on a public thread, you obviously wanted others to read this 'personal argument' and perhaps weigh in on it, as long as they agree with how atrocious of a host Evangel has been.
Originally posted by Master-BorgHe might have. But again, you'll note that he didn't question Goober's defense.
I mean, I certainly doubt you would've asked me why I butt in if I said 'Evangel's horrible judgment crippled Digi's plan'.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Because that certainly worked when I was bothered by your interjection did it not? You told me you were done and then turned right around and turned that into a lie. So you yourself are a great example of how "taking it to the PMs" doesn't always work.
I agree with you. Taking it to the PMs don't always work. And for full disclosure, Cresh is right...I did tell him I was done with it, and since Im still opining, I've gone back on my word.
So Digi decided to post it here, for people to read and arrive at their own judgments of who is right and who is wrong.
You think Evangel is wrong, and you have every right to do so. I disagree, and I think I have the same right.
My point was that Digi posted here so people could see who was right...but when I disagreed with his assessment of the situation, he said I was butting in. But had I agreed with him, do you think he would've said I was butting in?
Originally posted by Master-BorgYou want an insulting misrepresentation of words? Fine How about this:
of course. It still helps to quote what you thought were insults to back up your claims. And I'm not saying Evangel didn't insult Digi, I haven't been privy to all their communication.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Three days later (and a match or two later) Digimark sent me a Private Message requesting to be let back into the tournament not just as a regular competitor, but as a complete [b]replacement and that I should kick out Papa Smurph (Papa Smurph was not banned at this point), and replace him with Digimark on the basis that Papa Smurph was: [/B]
Originally posted by Master-BorgYou might not perceive the insult in what the person who felt insulted perceived as an insult. So without direct name calling what would be the point? So that others could mock them for their feelings, like you are bordering on doing, and did do in your rather abbrasive tone:
But if you don't post something to support a claim, anyone could just level a charge that someone insulted them.
"The reason you didn't quote any of Evangel's alleged insults couldn't possibly be because she hasn't insulted you, could it?"
Don't think that statement was devoid of sarcasm. and the sarcasm is not really warented is it?
Originally posted by Master-BorgI've done that before. and then Got into an argument with the mod who didn't agree with my assesment that being told that I don't have enough credibility to post in that section was an insult. Needless to say the moderator of that section did not resolve the issue. Instead I decided I didn't need to be ignored more than I already was.
I mean, if I reported to a mod that someone insulted me, surely I would have to post evidence of some kind.
Originally posted by Master-BorgThis is a point we differ on. as we needed a matter resolved amongst those involved in the event. You yourself might have aggrivated the situation by rather than addressing Digi's concern you defended Eva and borderline attacked those whom had issue with her actions. So whatever your intentions might have been you might have been an agitator. Who knows things might have gone very differently if things could have been resolved then. But we won't know because they obviously weren't/
I agree with you. Taking it to the PMs don't always work. And for full disclosure, Cresh is right...I did tell him I was done with it, and since Im still opining, I've gone back on my word.So Digi decided to post it here, for people to read and arrive at their own judgments of who is right and who is wrong.
You think Evangel is wrong, and you have every right to do so. I disagree, and I think I have the same right.
Originally posted by Master-BorgWe won't know and it's mere speculation to say for certain either way.
My point was that Digi posted here so people could see who was right...but when I disagreed with his assessment of the situation, he said I was butting in. But had I agreed with him, do you think he would've said I was butting in?
With every single post that you all make to carry on this feud, you're losing credibility and turning your own complaints into a joke.
Which.. isn't to say that I don't necessarily agree or identify with some of what's being thrown around, but I think there's a point where you should have the decency to say "**** it, I'm done", and mean it sincerely.
Your names (all of you) will most likely be brought up after this for whatever reasons to refer to this whole debacle, but... just leave. Please. 😬
Originally posted by Master-Borg
The reason you didn't quote any of Evangel's alleged insults couldn't possibly be because she hasn't insulted you, could it? It would actually help support a claim by providing evidence of it.Here are things that do kinda sound like insults though:
"Christ, what a child you've been Evangel."
"justify it however you want to make yourself believe you aren't a failure as a host, and as a KMC member"
First, Evangel doesn't respond to my PMs anymore. This is the only way to get any point across.
Second, I haven't pretended to be kind to her recently, but I consider my comments justified. I'm not proud of having to talk like that, but when respectful objections and points were ignored, and then I was insulted, I responded appropriately. I stress to others that remaining respectful should be the goal, but to take a bunch of unwarranted abuse without responding is taking such goals too far.
Again, if you feel like there's something you can add to this argument besides just posting my words again, feel free to do so. Otherwise, I'd kindly request that you stay out of it.
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Which.. isn't to say that I don't necessarily agree or identify with some of what's being thrown around, but I think there's a point where you should have the decency to say "**** it, I'm done", and mean it sincerely.
Tried that. I was gone for weeks. Then she insulted me again in long diatribes once it should've been put to rest. If it had been up to me, I gladly would've stayed gone. This is Evangel's mess, not ours.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
If it were a personal argument, you would've resorted to PMs, would you not?By posting it on a public thread, you obviously wanted others to read this 'personal argument' and perhaps weigh in on it, as long as they agree with how atrocious of a host Evangel has been.
I mean, I certainly doubt you would've asked me why I butt in if I said 'Evangel's horrible judgment crippled Digi's plan'.
PMs are for pussies.
Oh no, am I interjecting?
Originally posted by Zeitgeist
With every single post that you all make to carry on this feud, you're losing credibility and turning your own complaints into a joke.Which.. isn't to say that I don't necessarily agree or identify with some of what's being thrown around, but I think there's a point where you should have the decency to say "**** it, I'm done", and mean it sincerely.
Your names (all of you) will most likely be brought up after this for whatever reasons to refer to this whole debacle, but... just leave. Please. 😬
Originally posted by Creshosk
You yourself might have aggrivated the situation
"I'll admit to you right here and now, I've been working to sabatoge this tournament. You kept extending the deadline as to when I could respond to your invite. You kept PMing me over and over and over inviting me in.
Personally, Red, one Of my friends tournaments was announced and pinned and then suddenly yours popped up. at the same time. I'd never seen two tournaments run at the same time. I was a little offended that Red's tournament might have been sent to a back burner. I'd heard him talking about this tournament of his since Delph's tourney started. He really had his heart set on it. And I didn't like the possibility that you might have usurped his spot.
So with the harrasment in the in-box... I'm not the politest of people to those I don't know. I'd hoped that if I ignored you you'd get the hint." -- Cresh (April 20, 2008 - 5:07pm)
disclaimer: this is my absolute last post on this matter.