Master Syphodious

Gosh yes; obviously Obi-Wan sleeps with Amidala and begats Luke and sends Anakin evil (and Amidala was in fact the Chosen One and passes that to Luke), and equally obviously Amidala is Sidious' agent in turning Anakin evil.

You can't disprove any of it from what has been said, so long as you write off half as what is said as lies and make a hundred suppositions of your own.

This is why I discount wild theories like this one, which is entirely based on the flimsy premise that QGJ and Sifo-Dyas died around the same time.

Well, at least there is ONE canonical clue... Can't say that about the other ones. That was PURE conjecture. At least here we have one clue that might, however unlikely, point to a relationship.

A canonical clue that they died near the same time to form a conjecture contradicted by many other things? Strikes me as being worth nothing.

I dont think Ush likes me too much. I don't think I give a s@#$.

this is interesting.... harmax's theory made me think back to the conversation between OB1 and QGJ in TPM (whoa, lots of letters, lol) where OB1 commented that QGJ could be on the Jedi Council if only he obeyed their mandates... if harmax is right, then the reason that QGJ wasn't on the council would have been, not so much his disobedience, but that the council needed him to be their prime operative in touchy situations... from what we have seen it seems that Jedi Council members dont often leave the temple, (they do in AOTC, but that was a drastic situation that required immediate action with powerful Jedi) and thus they would want a jedi that they trusted, and with capable powers, to be a special type of informant, with the nom de plume of SD, like Harmax suggested...
in addition, i personally do not think that these predictions are true, but the conversation and speculation is interesting enough to keep me hypthisizing for awhile, lol 💃

I think this happens to be a fascinating debate. Now I have heard a feasible reason for connecting Qui-Gon and that other dude as being the same person! And it would explain the looks on Yoda and Windu's faces at hearing the name from Obi-Wan! Maybe Qui-Gon did assist his former master(Dooku) before his untimely death,by ordering the clone armies. And afterwards, Dooku left the Order ,sickened by the lack of concern about his former student's death and warnings of the sith's return. Then he would meet Sidious who used his anger to turn him into his own apprentice in the dark side of the Force.

It;s not a feasible reason at all; it is an almost arbitrary connection based purely on them being Jedi that died in roughly the same year, and having to ignore that Sifo-Dyas has been called a Council Member and this fact not corrected and that we are told Sifo-Dyas died before the Clones order was made.

Let's get two facts that are almost 100% certain here made plain:

1. QGJ had nothing to do with the Clones
2. No-one started anything about the Clones plan until AFTER TPM was all done

Come on, it is merely speculation either way! Unless of course you have personal assurances from Mr Lucas to support your own theories,thus making ours incorrect? And if it is revealed in Episode III that there is a connection? What would your stance be, my friend? Let us not pick at each other over details!

Isn't that the point? And I do not need personal assurances to point out the enormous logical problems in the theory- just like with the Amidala is a Sith thing that I mentioned before.

Well, on that issue I happen to agree totally with you! All right, let us say you have made several excellent points, and might I also say I do not personally think that is the answer to the clone mystery. I was attempting to spark some more debate, which it is obvious I have done. I am sure that Mr Lucas has probably something more spectactular in mind for III.

I am not sure about spectacular, as there is not that much room left for a big twist.

So do you feel he should have started the prequel films with a grown up Anakin who was already Obi-Wan's apprentice and a great star pilot? I admit back in 1994(?) I had a weird dream where I was imagining how Anakin fell to the dark side of the Force. And it was nothing at all like the events in either of the two films so far!! In my dream, he was much older,used the Force for good, and was part of a Rogue Squadron-type group of interstellar pilots and navigators. Isn't that strange?? And yes, Palpatine was lurking in the shadows of the local drinking establishment!!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
almost 100% certain

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Originally posted by Ushgarak
Let's get two facts that are almost 100% certain here made plain:

1. QGJ had nothing to do with the Clones
2. No-one started anything about the Clones plan until AFTER TPM was all done

So certain are you. There is nothing substantial about these being facts. You might be right, probably even so, strictly speaking it's still possible. Stranger things have happened.

For one, tehre are two dates giving for SD's death: 10 years ago and ALMOST 10 years ago. Obviously, OB1 isn't to sure about his chronology.
Secondly, who is to say SD was actually a JC memebr for real. He might have been real, but with his track record so far he might have well been lying. So possibly no real JC member and a death (almost) 10 years ago. There is a slight possiblility for a connection. Now that slight possibility is a fact! 😄

yeah and then willow pops up as an ewok Jedi

"Then , my friends, we have truly reached...the end of the world!"

end of the world😂

Still waiting for Val Kilmer to show in the PT...

Nooooooo!!

Hehehehehe

Well u know, I agree that this whole hypothesis IS far fetched ... BUT ... the point is, it's not IMPOSSIBLE ... and it's a really cool twist to the story line ... and it would be possible to make it fit around the storyline as it stands presently.

The thing is ... the point of forums such as these .... the whole FUN part of having forums such as these, is that a group of people can speculate, and conjecture ... and try and come up with different interesting ways of solving a mystery, that has been created for the consumption of exactly such a group of people.

So I dont see the point in saying ... well its too improbable so dont discuss it - only stick to plausible and " safe " speculations ... I mean ... if thats the case ... then wheres the fun in having a forum ?