not fooling anyone laddie, your the only one who does...people whove actually played all the games who know more than you (me,madmel) know that charging the reaver is a gameplay mechanic, sort of like how you cant actually control kains teleportation/long jump along with all the other powers kain still has but you cannot use 🙂
Just because you have played more of the games doesnt give u the right to make up BS without any evidence. Kain could only start charging his reaver when he got the balance emblem, after that; he could put in different emblems which gave the reavers different powers once they were charged. That is how the reaver and its powers were explained, The Blood Reaver devours the blood of its victims, why did it devour blood? To charge it so it can use its powers. After drawing Raziel's spirit into itself, becomes a soul-consuming Soul Reaver, instead of consuming blood, it consumes souls to power it up. If you wanna argue it then atleast provide evidence.
exactley the thing though Terry, the reason why me and Madmel have more knowledge is that weve played the games, when we say something from LOK, they could have deep meanings that you could not comprehend from not playing the games, for example you speak of rubbish like "kain can only charge it once he collected the balance emblem" which is BS, because its been a blood devouring blade for all time, ever since it was created by the ancient vampires, it was made for drinking blood, nothing about the emblem, the emblems just allow kain to use the powers of the reaver in conjuction with the pillar concepts, like Time, Energy, conflict and dimension.
on need, the logic is all there, Raziel is an immortal soul, he does not get quenched, the only way for the blade to lose any power at all, is when its starved from souls over long periods of time, which could be thousands of years considering Raziel only shows need to feed after being destroyedwhich does not happen in the blade and the only time the sword was starved after hundreds of years was after being placed in the Nemesis Tomb which still had the power to drain Raziels soul energy to repair itself , not as if it matters because kain fights would not last a long time at all.
its gone from a chargable battery (blood reaver) to an inbuilt power source with a 100 year+ guarantee of power and the ability to charge it anyway
Thats what i meant, the balance emblem let it so that once it is charged it is able to use the power of the emblems when they are charged it was never stated anywhere that because raziels spirit is in the reaver (which became a soul reaver) that it doesn't need to be charged anymore, you clearly still see it still needing to be charged, the only difference is that it devours souls (like raziel) instead of blood(like kain).
The only difference between Soul reaver and the blood reaver is that its a ton more powerful when it attacks, and that its more like raziel in which it needs to be charged by devouring soulS instead of blood.
Your powersource theory isnt proof. Having one permanant soul doesn't mean its permanantly charged, one soul does not fully charge the reaver.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Thats what i meant, the balance emblem let it so that once it is charged it is able to use the power of the emblems when they are [b]charged it was never stated anywhere that because raziels spirit is in the reaver (which became a soul reaver) that it doesn't need to be charged anymore, you clearly still see it still needing to be charged, the only difference is that it devours souls (like raziel) instead of blood(like kain).The only difference between Soul reaver and the blood reaver is that its a ton more powerful when it attacks, and that its more like raziel in which it needs to be charged by devouring soulS instead of blood.
Your powersource theory isnt proof. Having one permanant soul doesn't mean its permanantly charged, one soul does not fully charge the reaver. [/B]
no false, the blood reaver needs to apprently gain blood which is also unlikely, nowhere other than the gameplay build up does it say that Kain needs to charge it up, nowhere in canon. its not stated that it has to be charged either in canon, only diffrence is me and Madmel have logic on our side as well as the knowledge of the games 🙂
clearly? when, theres a charge bar in the gameplay VS the Elder God, thats the only time you even get the blade
Raziel does not need to be charged, thats where your logic fails again, second theres many diffrences, the soul reaver takes souls, can hit incorporeal beingsl ike Elder God etc, although the reaver can aslo hit gaseous beings
its good logic and knowledge of the game VS someone using gameplay logic who hasnt even played all the games, the reaver does not have to charge, another example of how its just gameplay and not canon is how you dont even have to charge the reaver in Blood omen 1, not with souls, it drains from Kains personal energy which is magic, these are all uncanon gameplay elements to put a stop to kain destroying everything easily
Originally posted by EstacadoGood point there. I say Lucifer and Pandora does it. If not then teleporting around him in trickster style then switching to Dreadnought and royal guard and just cut him into pieces then burn those pieces with with Pandora's laser cannon.
As for Kain mind controlling Dante.....haermm
He can't even mind control the Sarafan.
Also when has Kain shown soul rip in Defiance?
Oh and Kain is not invulnerable.
When has ever Kain banished someone into another dimension?
Also Yamato can cut through dimensional barriers.This is Kain form Defiance not BT's fantasy Kain....
No where has it been mentioned that the reaver DOESNT need to be charged outside of gameplay, that is just something you made out without any proof to make kain stronger then he is, no one trusts ur logic anyway since your a clear kain fanboy.
When the Blood-Reaver becomes a Soul-Reaver then why do they still have a charge bar if it doesnt need to be charged?
Raziels wraith blade needs to be charged as well.
another example of how its just gameplay and not canon is how you dont even have to charge the reaver in Blood omen 1
these are all uncanon gameplay elements to put a stop to kain destroying everything easily
Originally posted by Rewmac
Good point there. I say Lucifer and Pandora does it. If not then teleporting around him in trickster style then switching to Dreadnought and royal guard and just cut him into pieces then burn those pieces with with Pandora's laser cannon.
Pandora is slow, hed never get any of the best weapons out in time, try and cut him only to hit a shield and then have him reform elseware, Pandora laser canon is the slowest one of all...you fail....
Originally posted by Terryc250
No where has it been mentioned that the reaver DOESNT need to be charged outside of gameplay, that is just something you made out without any proof to make kain stronger then he is, no one trusts ur logic anyway since your a clear kain fanboy.When the Blood-Reaver becomes a Soul-Reaver then why do they still have a charge bar if it doesnt need to be charged?
Raziels wraith blade needs to be charged as well.
Is there even reaver emblems in BO?
umm no.. If kain was as powerful as you make him, it would just screw up the entire story.
Not directly mentioned but its not mentioned it has to either, so your point is moot, the logic says otherwise, and no, you simply class me as that, just like i class you as a FF fanboy, youve got no proof for your claims
gods knows why, developers too lazy to take it away, you dont charge it, its got no charge attack because the EG tentacles dont have souls inside either, thats another obvious gameplay element, the charge bar goes up even though the EG tentacles do not have souls inside, your saying a lot of BS and youve not even played the game
yeh in gameplay, dur
no reaver emblems, how do they make a diffrence? their little stones that give the reaver more powers, that doesnt mean its powersource according to you changes
the entire storey? how would it, you dont even know the story so what do you know? how would it screw up the story at all?
Originally posted by Terryc250I see I'm not the only who don't seethe proof in B.t.'s argument.
No where has it been mentioned that the reaver DOESNT need to be charged outside of gameplay, that is just something you made out without any proof to make kain stronger then he is, no one trusts ur logic anyway since your a clear kain fanboy.When the Blood-Reaver becomes a Soul-Reaver then why do they still have a charge bar if it doesnt need to be charged?
Raziels wraith blade needs to be charged as well.
Is there even reaver emblems in BO?
umm no.. If kain was as powerful as you make him, it would just screw up the entire story.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtPandora is slow? Have you played DMC4? Nope. I doubt Kain can regenerate from 25 pieces in like 1 second. Coz that what it takes to make the laser cannon. It's even faster in Autmatic mode. So you failed. I claimed you haven't played the game, I completed it several times now, so I know what I'm talking about.
Pandora is slow, hed never get any of the best weapons out in time, try and cut him only to hit a shield and then have him reform elseware, Pandora laser canon is the slowest one of all...you fail....Not directly mentioned but its not mentioned it has to either, so your point is moot, the logic says otherwise, and no, you simply class me as that, just like i class you as a FF fanboy, youve got no proof for your claims
gods knows why, developers too lazy to take it away, you dont charge it, its got no charge attack because the EG tentacles dont have souls inside either, thats another obvious gameplay element, the charge bar goes up even though the EG tentacles do not have souls inside, your saying a lot of BS and youve not even played the game
yeh in gameplay, dur
no reaver emblems, how do they make a diffrence? their little stones that give the reaver more powers, that doesnt mean its powersource according to you changes
the entire storey? how would it, you dont even know the story so what do you know? how would it screw up the story at all?
Originally posted by Rewmac
Pandora is slow? Have you played DMC4? Nope. I doubt Kain can regenerate from 25 pieces in like 1 second. Coz that what it takes to make the laser cannon. It's even faster in Autmatic mode. So you failed. I claimed you haven't played the game, I completed it several times now, so I know what I'm talking about.
He haven't. The only his sourse is the video in RT with Dante getting said weapon. BTW, with full Disaster gauge there's like 2 dozens of auto-aimed rockets in turel mode of Pandora Box and we don't have proof Kain can dodge even one, his shield helps against arrows and spells but shield ability isn't even avaliable in Defiance.
BTW,Rewmac, Estacado, I have heard some interesting theory regarding Kain's evolution and him not having Blood Omen spells in Defiance. I wonder whether I should post it in there or tell you via PM. BT's claims sound really funny in light of that info, BTW.
Originally posted by Rewmac
Pandora is slow? Have you played DMC4? Nope. I doubt Kain can regenerate from 25 pieces in like 1 second. Coz that what it takes to make the laser cannon. It's even faster in Autmatic mode. So you failed. I claimed you haven't played the game, I completed it several times now, so I know what I'm talking about.
nope ive not, and as Devel says ive seen it when he first gets it, its not that fast at all, espcially if Kain teleports. Also he doesnt have to regenrate, its not regeneration, regeneration is when hes wounded like when his heart is torn out and not long after its nothing but a scar, thats regenration, not his scion of balance immunity.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
He haven't. The only his sourse is the video in RT with Dante getting said weapon. BTW, with full Disaster gauge there's like 2 dozens of auto-aimed rockets in turel mode of Pandora Box and we don't have proof Kain can dodge even one, his shield helps against arrows and spells but shield ability isn't even avaliable in Defiance.BTW,Rewmac, Estacado, I have heard some interesting theory regarding Kain's evolution and him not having Blood Omen spells in Defiance. I wonder whether I should post it in there or tell you via PM. BT's claims sound really funny in light of that info, BTW.
indeed, and the shield is not usable in Defiance...so....the shield says all attacks, arrows like missles and bullets are still missles overall
post it in here, i want to see it as well, youve probably got some uncanon source or are taking another source the wrong way as most people do who have not played the game
Originally posted by Burning thoughtNot directly mentioned but its not mentioned it has to either, so your point is moot, the logic says otherwise, and no, you simply class me as that, just like i class you as a FF fanboy, youve got no proof for your claims
gods knows why, developers too lazy to take it away, you dont charge it, its got no charge attack because the EG tentacles dont have souls inside either, thats another obvious gameplay element, the charge bar goes up even though the EG tentacles do not have souls inside, your saying a lot of BS and youve not even played the game
no reaver emblems, how do they make a diffrence? their little stones that give the reaver more powers, that doesnt mean its powersource according to you changes
the entire storey? how would it, you dont even know the story so what do you know? how would it screw up the story at all?
Originally posted by Terryc250
When have i said something without evidence? Everything ive claimed ive provided evidence with facts, vids, or quotes from the creators.The elder god is the hub of the wheel of fate, a cycle of birth, death and rebirth to which all souls are drawn to, its not impossible that the soul reaver can gain power from attacking it. Saying that the reason there is a charge bar is because the developers are lazy to take it away is a pretty bad excuse.
The Balance Emblem made a big difference in the reaver, without that the reaver didn't charge at all. There was no balance emblem in the BO games, thats why they didn't charge.
Foes wouldn't be foes, why would he lose to raziel the if he couldve just "dimension blitz" him? Probably because he can't just simply do that.
rubbish about how Sephiroth can make anything with the lifestream for one, its a good example of how me not knowing as much as you about sephiroth can make the logic to me sound rubbish but to you with better knowlede sound okie, just like how the Reaver charge being gameplay makes sense to me
Hes the hub of the will and he uses souls, he does not neccerily have souls or a soul in his body, the reaver charging is gameplay, and no its not a bad excuse, considering the fact EG does not have a soul in each of his tentacles anyway...
they are not really foes, what are you talking about, you think kain has probelms fighting humans when even young he destroys them with ease, breaks their necks as shown in defiance and can lift them up with one arm in BO, their not foes at all, yet their Kains targets, no one in LOK is a real foe other than EG and Raziel is not a foe, kain if you knew the story needs raziel, he doesnt want to kill him and holds back throughout the fight, which brings me to another piece of proof
the NPC controlled Raziel or kain use their reaver attacks many times, sometimes in a row, which addes up as proof again that charging is just a gameplay mechanic.
Originally posted by Burning thought
rubbish about how Sephiroth can make anything with the lifestream for one, its a good example of how me not knowing as much as you about sephiroth can make the logic to me sound rubbish but to you with better knowlede sound okie, just like how the Reaver charge being gameplay makes sense to me
Hes the hub of the will and he uses souls, he does not neccerily have souls or a soul in his body, the reaver charging is gameplay, and no its not a bad excuse, considering the fact EG does not have a soul in each of his tentacles anyway...
they are not really foes, what are you talking about, you think kain has probelms fighting humans when even young he destroys them with ease, breaks their necks as shown in defiance and can lift them up with one arm in BO, their not foes at all, yet their Kains targets, no one in LOK is a real foe other than EG and Raziel is not a foe, kain if you knew the story needs raziel, he doesnt want to kill him and holds back throughout the fight, which brings me to another piece of proof
the NPC controlled Raziel or kain use their reaver attacks many times, sometimes in a row, which addes up as proof again that charging is just a gameplay mechanic.
Originally posted by Terryc250
First of all i said its possible for Sephiroth to create materia with the lifestream, he has control over it, materia is made out of lifestream, Sephiroth is capable of transforming the planet into a vessel, logically if he can do that, he can create materia.Do you remember the beginning of Defiance? EG was bringing out souls [b]with
his tentacles for Raziel to feed on, they are somehow connected to souls.Humans are not foes, but they are not ants to kain either, or else the developers would not use humans, in a group they are capable of harming Kain.
No they don't, you can watch as many kain vs raziel vids and u'll never see him using the reavers abilities multiple times in a row, unless you can show me, i don't believe it. [/B]
yes you said all that, and ive said the Soul reaver has an immortal soul that will only lose power after starvation over a long period of time, which no time of such number will pass in a VS
lol, he can "control" souls, yes......so....and no he was not bringing souls, when did he do that, thats something i dont remember, please show me, EG does not manipulate souls with his tentacles, he can summon them however, he controls souls
they are ants, he can lift tonne blocks, and in BO2 he can put his hand straight through an armoured mans stomach, they are ants to Young kain, let alone full powered kain....humans as stated clearly are merely things for the fledgling infant vampires to fight, humans do not have anything to harm kain with, also how the hell do you think a human is going to harm kain lol....hes faster, stronger than any of them, has a better weapon which can one hit them especially now and can survive his heart being ripped out, i know youve little knowlede on the game but please use some common sense
🙄 ill try and find one then in that case, but they do indeed, me and madmel have both experianced it...
here:
during this video Kain and Raziel use the reaver even when their not even slashing, the player does not get to use it once and hes hitting the NPC far more, second the NPC reavers dont glow, which is the tell tale sign of in-game chargup, so their using the reaver powers randomly or over a period of time, even though their barely hitting, also take into the fact the charge bar goes down when your hit, like the player, the NPC are hit numerous times
Originally posted by Rewmac
Pandora is slow? Have you played DMC4? Nope. I doubt Kain can regenerate from 25 pieces in like 1 second. Coz that what it takes to make the laser cannon. It's even faster in Autmatic mode. So you failed. I claimed you haven't played the game, I completed it several times now, so I know what I'm talking about.