Kain (Defiance) vs Dante (DMC4)

Originally posted by Terryc250
Common sense usually tells us that if theres a charge in gameplay, there is something similar to a charge outside of gameplay, there is nothing that states there is no charge at all outside of gameplay. Kain has no powerful feats of his own, if everything in gameplay is BS, then kains spells should be BS as well because hes never used them outside of gameplay.

no because their documented outside of gameplay as spells he uses, and he also describes them out of gameplay in cinematics which means they excist, if theres a charge in gameplay, it means balance, just because the turn based system in FF7 means cloud has to w8 for the bar down the bottom to charge up, does not mean he does it in a real fight

Originally posted by Burning thought
no because their documented outside of gameplay as spells he uses, and he also describes them out of gameplay in cinematics which means they excist, if theres a charge in gameplay, it means balance, just because the turn based system in FF7 means cloud has to w8 for the bar down the bottom to charge up, does not mean he does it in a real fight

Turn base is a style of gameplay mechanic, and always has been for years, you have to wait a certain amount of time before you can choose what kind of attack you want, its like a strategy type fighting system, real-time fighting games, try to make it realistic thats why its real-time fighting, charging up a reaver for power still means what it is, why do you think the blood reaver devours blood for?

because its a vampiric blade, its always devoured blood since before there were even emblems to go in it....nothing in the game indicates the ancients knew there were going to be Emblems although i wouldnt put it past them, so its not like they made it especially for that purpose, its just a powerful weapon, sucking blood, and its made by vampires so its more than likely the reason, many connections to blood it has so i suppose imo it makes sense that a blade made by vamps, is likely to drink blood like vamps

Vampires devour blood as food, I didn't know the weapon needs food as well 😬 also has kain ever used his his reaver powers during a cinematic?

Two Words : Devil Trigger...

you tried to revive a thread where your argument died in, kain can do the same in one word "repel" , Kain is constantly in his devil trigger state, or at least Dante would think so when hes on the floor, luckily in this thread however he in the unrealistic occurance where hes got infnite DT and Onslaught so he is going to have to die spiritually if he wont die physically

Kain would have died in Blood Omen if he chose to
just dying would have done nothing to fix Nosgoth because the EG would still be around
i figure he'd have died because he was far from his fully evolved form as well as his role as the Scion of Balance
remember Moebius did say he saw Kain dying at some point in the future and it couldn't have been when he had the Heart of Darkness ripped out of him because that didn't happen in the original timeline

moebius sees the potential actions of characters in all timelines..its a good chance he was talking about the heart of darkness, because otherwise the time streamer would not have congratulated raziel as much as he did..we also know that there is a flaw in moebius' omniscience, and that could have affected his forsight as well..

Kain cannot die, simple as that, technically kain did die when his heart of darkness was taken, which counts, also Kain would not of died in Blood omen, if he chose to "try" and die, something in the timeline would stop him because time is immutable, theres no way he can choose to die

yes time is immutable
that's why he said he only had two choices
he could die or save himself time had forced him to choose one or the other

moebius sees the potential actions of characters in all timelines..its a good chance he was talking about the heart of darkness, because otherwise the time streamer would not have congratulated raziel as much as he did.

the original timeline was Raziel killed Kain most likely at the tomb of William the Just and then Raziel himself got sucked into the Reaver later
everything that happens after Soul Reaver 2 never originally happened

Dante pumps Kain full of Lucifer swords, and shoots him with pandora (revenge)

Dante wins 😄

you mean Dante pumps Kains invulerable shield with those items, then Kain slashes Dante with the reaver whos energy soul blast explodes sending Dante flying, then Kain rips his soul out or drains his blood Telekinetically and gains Dantes power combined with his own just for mockeries sake

Originally posted by 123KID
yes time is immutable
that's why he said he only had two choices
he could die or save himself time had forced him to choose one or the other

the original timeline was Raziel killed Kain most likely at the tomb of William the Just and then Raziel himself got sucked into the Reaver later
everything that happens after Soul Reaver 2 never originally happened

indeed its immutable, so in reality looking at the entire story, Kain only had one choice because his actions are already written, he cannot choose the other no matter what happens

there is no original timeline, theres just one timeline overall, those times that are apprently paradoxes are not truelly, their simply written in time but Raziel could never of killed Kain, all the times Kain has died are documented, the only reason Raziel is ever thought of killing kain is because they thought Kain was the Vampire Champion and would fall to the Hylden champion (who they thought was Raziel) however it turned out Raziel was both, and kain was simply the Scion of balance

Originally posted by Burning thought
you mean Dante pumps Kains invulerable shield with those items, then Kain slashes Dante with the reaver whos energy soul blast explodes sending Dante flying, then Kain rips his soul out or drains his blood Telekinetically and gains Dantes power combined with his own just for mockeries sake

Oh wait Kain doesn't even have a shield in Defiance......

Originally posted by Estacado
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Now Kain can steal other characters powers.......oh and it's not like Dante couldn't send the swords inside the shield since he can control them with his mind.....oh wait you haven't even played the game but you know everything better then does who played it.....haermm

Oh wait Kain doesn't even have a shield in Defiance......

well yeh as he did in Blood omen 2........
wtf BS is this? send them inside the shield that covers kains form? your getting confused like you have done in most debates with me, oh well

well ive played LOK games and i know Dante is not getting through the shield by trying to somehow mind control swords inside it, that doesnt even make sense, although ofc playing the game is not everything as youve shown by saying youve played LOK games but seem to know jack sh*t "haermm" indeed

i cba to go find some smilies and "fail" pictures so i can speak your language, id prefer to actually debate than troll however

He was stealing the powers of vampires.....
He can't control the swords with his thoughts?
How about you go and play the game?
Kain doesn't even have a shield in Defiance.

Originally posted by Estacado
He was stealing the powers of vampires.....
He can't control the swords with his thoughts?
How about you go and play the game?
Kain doesn't even have a shield in Defiance.

and Hylden, and so what if its a vampire, he stole it from Hylden which are like Demons, he stole powers from Vampires, stealing from a daft half demon, half human like Dante is going to be a piece of cake

no, explain to me HOW he will somehow control swords to go through a shield, no matter what their controlled by their going to end up stopped by Kains shield, and kain will prob just knock them out of the air with his own TK before cointueing to dimensional teleport blitz dante into the dirt

how about you go and play all the LOK games, maybe ill play DMC4 when i want to play it
Prove he does not have a shield please, prove he has lost it

When did he stole powers from hylden?
He will summon them inside the shield.........
Still you have no proof of Kain having a shield in defiance.
BTW Dante can easily handle teleporting enemies like Blitz or Frost and Pandora's box can destroy any cloack/shield(special attack you get it at gunslinger lvl 4 Dante opens pandora and every shield/cloack will be destroyed) also he has dreadnaught so Kain's attacks won't do much....

Originally posted by Estacado
When did he stole powers from hylden?
He will summon them inside the shield.........
Still you have no proof of Kain having a shield in defiance.
BTW Dante can easily handle teleporting enemies like Blitz or Frost and Pandora's box can destroy any cloack/shield(special attack you get it at gunslinger lvl 4 Dante opens pandora and every shield/cloack will be destroyed) also he has dreadnaught so Kain's attacks won't do much....

the Hylden Witch, he drank from her veins giving him her TK powers

thats where your wrong, there is no inside the shield, are you assuming its a bubble all this time?

I dont need it, he is the same kain only more evolved from Blood omen 1

Blitz and frost, show me please, Kain will just keep teleporting from diffrent sides, in a shield that dante will likely be too slow to activate this pandora box thing on if its true and every hit Dante tries on kain, will end up harming him due to Chaos armour, if kain doesnt have Chaos armour, he can still do as i said, blood shower, emptey dante of blood and gain Dantes powers anyway, then throttle him even more so

Dreadnought will make his body invulerable, but not untouchable, he can still be thrown, buried etc etc, just like Kain can. And show me this attack that defeats all shields and cloaks, if its like most pandora items, slow, then its worthless

I'm going with Dante.