AOTC Dooku Vs Darth Revan

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
No what people though they established was malak>dooku overall (though i'm sure count makashi would prove that wrong if he posted here and im not sold on it either as im sure others are not) and Malak has shown even less than Revan saber wise so it truly makes me wonder what evidence is out there that puts Malak above Dooku.

The general consensus was that a Darth Malak, empowered by the Star Forge, likely exceeds Count Dooku's natural prowess, and based on evidence alone, a Vjun-empowered Dooku rivals or exceeds even that powerful version of Malak.

As for natural ability, I would like to see justification of Malak's skill.

Originally posted by Gideon
The general consensus was that a Darth Malak, empowered by the Star Forge, likely exceeds Count Dooku's natural prowess, and based on evidence alone, a Vjun-empowered Dooku rivals or exceeds even that powerful version of Malak.

To me it is sort of contradictory. Malak powered by the star forge(dark side object which makes this Malak at his peak of power) maybe greater than a normal dooku. But when Dooku is powered by darkside object (vjun) then this would be arguably be Dooku at his peak. So wouldn't that make Dooku>Malak both of whom at their peaks in power?

As for natural ability, I would like to see justification of Malak's skill.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
To me it is sort of contradictory. Malak powered by the star forge(dark side object which makes this Malak at his peak of power) maybe greater than a normal dooku. But when Dooku is powered by darkside object (vjun) then this would be arguably be Dooku at his peak. So wouldn't that make Dooku>Malak both of whom at their peaks in power?

No.

First, being empowered or having one's power amplified, focus, or directed via a dark side object is not being at the peak of one's power, as the preternatural advantages afforded to these individuals are strictly due to the power of the object. Despite being two very powerful Force-users, there's no indication that either Darth Malak or Count Dooku would be capable of such feats without such aid. Otherwise, we can credit Naga Sadow with being on par with Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious because he orchestrated stellar disasters with the assistance of the focusing mechanisms afforded by his flagship. Because no Ancient Sith demonstrates such powers without the use of Sith technologies and arcana -- or even Sith magic (which requires no effort to use) -- they clearly aren't capable of such feats without them.

Second, the Star Forge might afford more power to the user than Vjun might, or vice versa.

revan... although dooku is supremely skilled, revan is even more skilled, taking the title of "Sith Lord" above all in his era. Dooku was killed easily by an insane psychopath. that says something about either the insane psychopath, or Tyrranus....

Tyrranus--My favorite sith, just because of the actor.. Saruman should have won rots.... but what sux is he didnt.

so i would have to put Revans life higher then a man who was killed by a very skilled pawn of the Jedi.

I am not even going to debate... this is my opinion.

Force fight: Dooku slightly, he seemed well versed in the force and what he did to a powerful Jedi like Obi Wan I don't see Revan being able to replicate.

Saber: This is where Dooku has a huge advantage in my opinion, his saber skills were exceptional.

All out: Dooku, although I would expect Revan to make it quite difficult. In the end I think Dooku defeats him through saber combat as they cancel out each others force attacks.

Originally posted by Allankles
Force fight: Dooku slightly, he seemed well versed in the force and what he did to a powerful Jedi like Obi Wan I don't see Revan being able to replicate.

Saber: This is where Dooku has a huge advantage in my opinion, his saber skills were exceptional.

All out: Dooku, although I would expect Revan to make it quite difficult. In the end I think Dooku defeats him through saber combat as they cancel out each others force attacks.

Force fight and all out fight would undoubtedly go to Revan. He was the most powerful force user of his time, and his knowledge of the darkside was very broad. The only fight Dooku would probably win is a saber duel.

Hang on!!

If what you're saying is true and Malak impowered= Dooku impowered
then logically Revan, who (easily) beat Malak impowered, would trump Yoda who could only draw with Dooku impowered.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Hang on!!

If what you're saying is true and Malak impowered= Dooku impowered
then logically Revan, who (easily) beat Malak impowered, would trump Yoda who could only draw with Dooku impowered.

Except Yoda never attacked Dooku. He always held the defensive and hoped that he could turn Dooku back to the light.

It was still stated that Dooku was almost too powerful and fast for him.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
It was still stated that Dooku was almost too powerful and fast for him.

Oh really? Where?

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
revan... although dooku is supremely skilled, revan is even more skilled, taking the title of "Sith Lord" above all in his era. Dooku was killed easily by an insane psychopath. that says something about either the insane psychopath, or Tyrranus....

Tyrranus--My favorite sith, just because of the actor.. Saruman should have won rots.... but what sux is he didnt.

Taking the title of sith lord in his era doesn't make Revan more powerful than Dooku. Considering the two eras of sith followed different rules.

And Dooku was killed by one of the top duelist ever. So it says something about Anakin's skill not the lack there of in Dooku's.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
If what you're saying is true and Malak impowered= Dooku impowered
then logically Revan, who (easily) beat Malak impowered, would trump Yoda who could only draw with Dooku impowered.

No one said that Malak empowered by the star forge=Dooku on vjun. Yoda>Revan has been proven. And there is zero proof that Revan easily beat Malak so stop lying Nebaris.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
It was still stated that Dooku was almost too powerful and fast for him.

Bullshit. No such statement was issued. Yoda never went on the offensive during the little debacle on Vjun, and Count Dooku only attacked him when Yoda was distracted, attempting to save a civilian's life, and Dooku retreated. Hell, Dooku knew that he couldn't defeat Yoda, hence the missile parked in orbit.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
It was still stated that Dooku was almost too powerful and fast for him.

Give me a break.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Force fight and all out fight would undoubtedly go to Revan. He was the most powerful force user of his time, and his knowledge of the darkside was very broad. The only fight Dooku would probably win is a saber duel.

I don't doubt Revan's power I doubt whether he would be more powerful than Dooku in the force. Different timelines, versus very little evidence to the affirmative (I.E. that he's more powerful) lead me to doubt placing Revan above Dooku.

If I did it would without evidence IMO. Dooku was great Jedi, who trained in the ways of the force for 80 years and was without doubt one of the greatest practitioners of the force in the Golden era itself, I don't see too much from Revan that puts him above such a Jedi in terms of force power/potential/skill.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't doubt Revan's power I doubt whether he would be more powerful than Dooku in the force. Different timelines, versus very little evidence to the affirmative (I.E. that he's more powerful) lead me to doubt placing Revan above Dooku.

If I did it would without evidence IMO. Dooku was great Jedi, who trained in the ways of the force for 80 years and was without doubt one of the greatest practitioners of the force in the Golden era itself, I don't see too much from Revan that puts him above such a Jedi in terms of force power/potential/skill.

That's anti Revan rhetoric for you. Very few force users are above Revan. His knowledge was incredibly broad and based on evidence, his force abilities were beyond Dookus.

And his saber skills must've been of a very high level as well... though how high, really, is debatable.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

That's anti Revan rhetoric for you. Very few force users are above Revan. His knowledge was incredibly broad and based on evidence, his force abilities were beyond Dookus.

And there is zero proof that Revan easily beat Malak so stop lying Nebaris.

I'd call beating someone between 3 to 7 times in a row easy pwnage. Revan also cut off his jaw which is a surprisingly tricky thing to do and requires great skill.

Trust me 👿 👿 👿

Also, Revan was undefeated in combat despit fighting most of the top fighters of the era. Dooku wasn't.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
I'd call beating someone between 3 to 7 times in a row easy pwnage. Revan also cut off his jaw which is a surprisingly tricky thing to do and requires great skill.

Which could mean that Malak has no saber skill. No one know who cut off Malak's jaw and it is probably not Revan so stop lying loser. There duel on the star forge was not easy for either one of them.

Also, Revan was undefeated in combat despit fighting most of the top fighters of the era. Dooku wasn't.

Dooku had faced people that would also beat Revan in saber combat-Yoda,Anakin and Mace. And last I checked these top fighters didn't have the skill level as the one's Dooku faces. Revan's best chance is to eliminate Dooku with the force.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Which could mean that Malak has no saber skill. No one know who cut off Malak's jaw and it is probably not Revan so stop lying loser.

I'd say Malak was not skill-less, but not as powerful as some people might think. And, yeah, what's that bullshit about Revan cutting off Malak's jaw? You just made that up yourself, didn't you, Exodus?

There duel on the star forge was not easy for either one of them.

Yes, I agree... but it was probably harder for Revan. Malak was already too corrupted to care, Revan on the other hand, was fighting against his ex-best friend. Although, it probably wasn't the same since he had his memory wipe...

Dooku had faced people that would also beat Revan in saber combat-Yoda, Anakin and Mace. And last I checked these top fighters didn't have the skill level as the one's Dooku faces. Revan's best chance is to eliminate Dooku with the force.

It is, but we just can't take away the possibility of Revan winning in a saber duel. After all, his dark side knowledge was vast.