AOTC Dooku Vs Darth Revan

Whether weather fell to the darkside on his own decision(sort of like Luke in DE) or not it does not affect the fact that he truly was a darksider his holocron shows that.

The holocron was made on Lehon, before he was taken by the Jedi. NEC indicates that he did indeed become the Prodigal Knight and rejoin the Jedi.

Oh and controlling a station does not mean using the force to create ships idiot. You have yet to still prove that.

Firstly, the Star Forge is noted as a dark side artifact. When no Sith or dark siders were about to use it, it could not produce ships. True, the Star Forge does draw energy from the star it orbits, but the fact remains that no sith = no ships. Now, Bastila's holocron, though a non-canon version of events, relates to us that any pretenders to Malak and Revan's title tried to use the Star Forge were not powerful enough- it ate them up. It stands to reason that one must be an exceptional force user to use this artifact, whether it's making Star Forge robes, droids, or making ships does not matter.

Originally posted by Janus Marius

Firstly, the Star Forge is noted as a dark side artifact. When no Sith or dark siders were about to use it, it could not produce ships. True, the Star Forge does draw energy from the star it orbits, but the fact remains that no sith = no ships. Now, Bastila's holocron, though a non-canon version of events, relates to us that any pretenders to Malak and Revan's title tried to use the Star Forge were not powerful enough- it ate them up. It stands to reason that one must be an exceptional force user to use this artifact, whether it's making Star Forge robes, droids, or making ships does not matter.

He seemingly made a claim that revan used the force to create starships in his initial post.

I was simply pointing out to him that it was the star forge which is actually the one creating the starships, not revan using the force to create starships.
Yes it certainly requires a powerful force user to use the star forge without getting consumed as you pointed out, but how does that equate to revan "creating starships with the force" as mr exodus was fond of pointing out?

whats the point in debating it? revan>dooku. revan has acomplished far more.

and look at the poll. everyone else thinks so too.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
The holocron was made on Lehon, before he was taken by the Jedi. NEC indicates that he did indeed become the Prodigal Knight and rejoin the Jedi.

Um, I'm well aware of that Janus. So I'm not sure what your going for here.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Um, I'm well aware of that Janus. So I'm not sure what your going for here.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Quit while you're behind, and take some antidepressants, Michelle. You're embarrassing yourself.

Noted Nebaris

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No..

haha great quote... thats my motto now.

No..

How about every one in the last 25 000 years?

So you don't have any specific names. Interesting.....

I'm sorry ******, revan never had the SF in his posession after malak died, it was destroyed. And bastilas statement was in K2 if you play the non canon dark side route.

Even if it is non-cannon it is still relevant. The makers of the game wouldn't let anything be put in that contradicts the plot or any of the plot devices.

Oh and controlling a station does not mean using the force to create ships idiot. You have yet to still prove that.

Bastila (in a hologram) said that after Revan left there was no one POWERFUL enough to use the Star Forge, indicating that the Forge requires someone with the Force to use it. And given that she included herself in that we can be sure that it needs butt-loads of Force strength superior to every other Sith of the time bar Revan.

Yet nothing indicates "she" having them in posession, DESPITE the fact that a jedi wouldnt dare use dark side artifacts.

Yes a jedi would 'NEVER' use a dark-side artifacts....... except for Ulric, Exar, Ben, Atris etc and very possibly Revan.
And Revan was not a lightsider at the time so she would have used the relics.

Even if it is non-cannon it is still relevant. The makers of the game wouldn't let anything be put in that contradicts the plot or any of the plot devices.

Yes a jedi would 'NEVER' use a dark-side artifacts....... except for Ulric, Exar, Ben, Atris etc and very possibly Revan.
And Revan was not a lightsider at the time so she would have used the relics. [/B]

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Um, I'm well aware of that Janus. So I'm not sure what your going for here.

Your post implied that Revan was a darksider. For a moment, I thought you meant he had not been redeemed.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
So you [b]don't have any specific names. Interesting.....[/B]

Originally posted by Darth Exodus

Even if it is non-cannon it is still relevant. The makers of the game wouldn't let anything be put in that contradicts the plot or any of the plot devices.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus

Bastila (in a hologram) said that after Revan left there was no one [b]POWERFUL enough to use the Star Forge, indicating that the Forge requires someone with the Force to use it. And given that she included herself in that we can be sure that it needs butt-loads of Force strength superior to every other Sith of the time bar Revan.[/B]

But HOW does that equate to using the force to create starships you fu(king idiot? You have yet to answer this! And to make matters worse YOU made this absurd and unsupported claim in the first place.

Being strong in the force, strong enough not to get consumed and to control the station does not equate to using the force alone to create ships dipshit, i don't think this is difficult for even mentally retarted people to understand, its as simple as telling the difference between an apple or an orange and if you can't tell that difference which is PAINFULLY obvious, your beyond any level of stupidity.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus

Yes a jedi would 'NEVER' use a dark-side artifacts....... except for Ulric, Exar, Atris etc and very possibly Revan.
And Revan was not a lightsider at the time so she would have used the relics.

Originally posted by Ivalice
[B]I don't have to name any one moron, considering the fact that the quote itself already states he is more powerful than most jedi in the entire history.

Non-canon = never happened = irrelevant.
Powerful enough to control the station without getting consumed? YES, of course the station would need a powerful force user.

But HOW does that equate to using the force to create starships you fu(king idiot? You have yet to answer this! And to make matters worse YOU made this absurd and unsupported claim in the first place.

Being strong in the force, strong enough not to get consumed and to control the station does not equate to using the force alone to create ships dipshit, i don't think this is difficult for even mentally retarted people to understand, its as simple as telling the difference between an apple or an orange and if you can't tell that difference which is PAINFULLY obvious, your beyond any level of stupidity.

and non cannon material (that was left in game) still states the game designer's intentions/estimations of/for the power level of the character. the reason it is still relevant is because the designers would not put anything in the game that over/under exceeded their intentions for the portrayal of revans power.

although it [i:]isn't[/i] as relevant as any canon data that you could come up with that would disprove the above statment of the hologram or conflict with it.

therefor if revan is higher then nihilus (DEFENITELY higher power then dooku) it would be logical to assume that revan would tool dooku.

sabers; dooku
force: revan
all out: Revan

Agreed that forcewise Revan beats the old man. Actually, I'm not even sure if the Count takes the saber one. He might lose... I think there's just not enough evidence. We don't know that much about Revan's lightsaber skills.

yea which is why its so hard to debate on sabers with revan.

wait. mandalore. help me with this. did I just make a good arguement?

Revan is an unknown, period. It's stupid to use him in these types of scenarios since we know so little about his actual abilities.

duh. i have only said that what, like 3 times about revan and bastilla.

I don't have to name any one moron, considering the fact that the quote itself already states he is more powerful than most jedi in the entire history.

Ivalice, since when is a sweeping generalization enough to support itself? So "Golden Age of the Sith Empire" means all other Sith Empires are silver at best? "Most powerful" should be twisted to fit the argument of those using it?

Count Dooku is mentioned as one of the most learned and skilled Jedi in many generations, true, but this doesn't make him the bonafide best among every single Jedi save Yoda who's been born in the last 25 k years by virtue of a sweeping statement. That's just silly.

Non-canon = never happened = irrelevant.

Cut content may not actually conform to "how things really happened", but the potentiality of the events should still be considered. So unless cut content totally contradicts current events and is totally written out, it does give us insight into character's motivations, powers, and how the game designers invisioned them. For example, dark side KotOR II's Bastila claims the Star Forge ate up any pretenders to the throne of Revan. Because this version of events was overruled by LFL over a year after the game was released suddenly doesn't make the Star Forge not have this capability. Certainly, there weren't infants walking into the place harnessing its vast powers.

Powerful enough to control the station without getting consumed? YES, of course the station would need a powerful force user.

But HOW does that equate to using the force to create starships you fu(king idiot? You have yet to answer this! And to make matters worse YOU made this absurd and unsupported claim in the first place.

Being strong in the force, strong enough not to get consumed and to control the station does not equate to using the force alone to create ships dipshit, i don't think this is difficult for even mentally retarted people to understand, its as simple as telling the difference between an apple or an orange and if you can't tell that difference which is PAINFULLY obvious, your beyond any level of stupidity.

Perhaps I missed something, Ivalice, but Exodus is saying the controlling of the Star Forge is reflective of Revan's Force mastery and power considering he didn't get "ate". If he claimed anything else (Like Revan can make an entire Leviathan pop out of his cloak), then yes, that would be ridiculous.

well just the fact that nobody else could do it without being consumed by the forge puts him above anyone in his era, including, but not limited to, nihilus, traya, and sion.

LK, since when did any of those above Sith Lords attempt to use the Star Forge. Or why would they even need to? Sion preferred to hunt his opponents in the shadows, and Nihilus could eat planets himself. Traya could care less about ship power, she preferred to manipulate. Since when have any of them ever tried to use it and failed?

They didn't. Ergo, your point does not hold water.