Luke Cage with a twist vs Abomination

Originally posted by severance
Cap taking out someone beyond his power range is acceptable he is the super soldier he makes people job to him.

Stop using the its PIS argument. Its crappy debating, its an established part of his powerset hes been doing it for 100s of years you cant just come along and say its PIS, and its not just him either Daredevil can do the same

Originally posted by severance

Remember cage would just be trained by cage for 1 year that is not the same as being as good as cap, not even close. If the thread was Cap got a strength boost to cl 35 we may have more of an argument

Im gonna have to explain myself again? Hes not going to be as good as Cap but hes still going to be very skillful, he doesnt need to be as good as Cap the class35 strength plus his added durability will compensate him. As explained already hes punches are harder than people of the same strength level because his skin is harder so its like a class35 person with titanuim knuckle dusters.

Also if you train intensively you can be better than somebody who has done it for years if you do alot in relatively short time space. No im not saying he will be as good as Cap, but he will be a skillful MA.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
There must be then-how can Cage 1 shot Iron Clad, when an enraged Proffesor/Merged Hulk could only stun him with a full blooded punch (Hulk # 398:Ghosts of The Past part 2)

That might be because Ironclad can increase his weight and therefore make it harder for him to KO. He had not done this when he fought Cage. In all fairness you could say its a low showing but its not PIS. However its not a low showing for:

1. Iron Man to get his armour damaged by Luke and for him to be able to go toe-to-toe with him. Even at Spiderman level strength he showed more durability than Ares who is described as being class 75, he also hits harder than Spiderman because his skin is harder.
2. Its not a low-showing for Piledriver to lose to Luke, because Luke used his momentum against him.
3. Its not a low showing for Wonder Man to get hurt by him because Luke kicked him in the nuts.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That might be because Ironclad can increase his weight and therefore make it harder for him to KO. He had not done this when he fought Cage. In all fairness you could say its a low showing but its not PIS. However its not a low showing for:

1. Iron Man to get his armour damaged by Luke and for him to be able to go toe-to-toe with him. Even at Spiderman level strength he showed more durability than Ares who is described as being class 75, he also hits harder than Spiderman because his skin is harder.
2. Its not a low-showing for Piledriver to lose to Luke, because Luke used his momentum against him.
3. Its not a low showing for Wonder Man to get hurt by him because Luke kicked him in the nuts.

I agree that b4 his upgrade he hit harder than Spiderman b'cos of his steel hard skin, and I'm not suprised that he could KO Piledriver, as Spiderman has 1 shotted Bulldozer, who is the same level as his Wrecking Crew teamate. But it is PIS, when he 1 shots someone who was still conscious after a full strength punch from an enraged Merged/Professor Hulk (base strength 100 tons)

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I agree that b4 his upgrade he hit harder than Spiderman b'cos of his steel hard skin, and I'm not suprised that he could KO Piledriver, as Spiderman has 1 shotted Bulldozer, who is the same level as his Wrecking Crew teamate. But it is PIS, when he 1 shots someone who was still conscious after a full strength punch from an enraged Merged/Professor Hulk (base strength 100 tons)

Well for starters they didnt look like full force punches to me....

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/ironclad1.jpg

Yeah he was pissed off and would have murdered him but to be quite frank it just looks like hes toying with him like he was a joke. Aww shaddup is not what somebody who is takes his opponent serioulsy says. You can be pissed of with somebody but if you think they're a joke you will b*tchslap them instead.

Anyway I see what you're saying I think in other cirumstances Ironclad has taken full force shots from Prof Hulk. I dont see it as PIS but as a low showing hes also been KOed by people weaker than Hulk as well. I could go into more detail but im tired now.

Ironclad was also one-shotted by Gilgamesh iirc.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Ironclad was also one-shotted by Gilgamesh iirc.

I tink they had that fight on the herochat battle repect thread. I dont know why but they took it down. Hes also been KOed by She Hulk dont know if it was a 1 shot though.

i think cage can do it. lets look at it like this with skill you can beat people ahell of alot stronger then you. that's how bat dose it cap, wonder woman etc. and abom has no skill wat so ever so yes with training by cap cage would beat em

with what? Punches?

In spite of the fact that colossus who has more skill AND strength still needs the rest of the X-men to fight im?

Originally posted by jinzin
with what? Punches?

In spite of the fact that colossus who has more skill AND strength still needs the rest of the X-men to fight im?

Well he hasn't before.

But the fact that him and Colossus use very different types of damage against an enemy probably has a great deal to do with that.

Originally posted by jinzin
with what? Punches?

In spite of the fact that colossus who has more skill AND strength still needs the rest of the X-men to fight im?

Your refering to WWH. WWH stomps everybody including Abom. This is Cage vs Abomination not Cage vs WWH. 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I tink they had that fight on the herochat battle repect thread. I dont know why but they took it down. Hes also been KOed by She Hulk dont know if it was a 1 shot though.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
When did Ironclad get one-shotted by She-Hulk?

I said that She-Hulk Koed him...I didnt say 1 shot

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I said that She-Hulk Koed him...I didnt say 1 shot

What issue did she kayo him? Got a scan? I don't recall.

Originally posted by mighty adam
i think cage can do it. lets look at it like this with skill you can beat people ahell of alot stronger then you. that's how bat dose it cap, wonder woman etc. and abom has no skill wat so ever so yes with training by cap cage would beat em

true but the disparity in strength is like between a well built adult male who can press 100kgand a ten year old kid who can press say 25kg. Could the ten year old take the adult??

Also Cage with training is not Captain America - not even close

Also bear in mind abomination is way way more durable than Cage

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Whatever man.

The point I was trying to make is that if she did not 1 shot him she Koed him after a fight.

Originally posted by snoopdogg

What issue did she kayo him? Got a scan? I don't recall.

The Vault graphic novel.

Originally posted by severance

Also Cage with training is not Captain America - not even close

He doesnt have to be, he needs to be good enough. and hes going to be good enough to attack Aboms weak points.

Originally posted by severance

Also bear in mind abomination is way way more durable than Cage

Professor Hulk is much more durable than Spiderman, but Spidermans kicks still hurt, obvoussly Cage will do much better.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

The Vault graphic novel.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point I was trying to make is that if she did not 1 shot him she Koed him after a fight.

The Vault graphic novel.

He doesnt have to be, he needs to be good enough. and hes going to be good enough to attack Aboms weak points.

Professor Hulk is much more durable than Spiderman, but Spidermans kicks still hurt, obvoussly Cage will do much better.

Hurts is not the same as winning. If a 5 year old kicked me in the nuts it would hurt but were I an evil amn I could still kick the crap outta the kid.

Abomination does not have any obvious weak points. the fact that cap can find them is PIS. He's cap he wins against the odds (as does spidey for that matter), Cage does not have this ability to the same extent. Cage will be winning on points for round after round but eventually Emil will tag him and it will all be over. Cage does not have the power to knock Emil out full stop.

luke cage +'s
-superhuman strength
-bullet proof (don't know if he would be pierced by a Barret shell though, wouldn't knock him for it if it could they are very powerful.)
-"expert"street fighter with years of vigilante work
-trains with the iron fist
-trained by cap

add in to that the extra stuff in the thread intro

emil blonsky (abomination) +'s
-surpasses "normal" hulk in strength
-has fought the hulk many times making him his chief villian, beaten
the hulk in some encounters
-thick armour like hide, extremely durable, almost impervious to projectiles of all types
-took head shots from the angry hulk repeatedly without going down
-size and body configuration make him look like a monster, which grants him an advantage fighting more human like opponents due to range and intimidation
-cold blooded killer
-high intelligence on top of superhuman abilities

with that said, still going with the abomination. he killed betty and fought the hulk soon after, the hulk was pissed (not wwh but close i guess?)and still fought him anyways. he lost but he gave him hell.

the abomination has oneshot capabilities and can take extreme amounts of damage so, imo he messes up cage pretty badly