Luke Cage with a twist vs Abomination

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well for starters they didnt look like full force punches to me....

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/ironclad1.jpg

Yeah he was pissed off and would have murdered him but to be quite frank it just looks like hes toying with him like he was a joke. Aww shaddup is not what somebody who is takes his opponent serioulsy says. You can be pissed of with somebody but if you think they're a joke you will b*tchslap them instead.

Phantom, that scan is from Hulk #401, not #398. Anyway the punches he was throwing in that scan will be a lot harder than what Cage is capable of-Ironclad was dazed at the end of that beating but not unconscious

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Your refering to WWH. WWH stomps everybody including Abom. This is Cage vs Abomination not Cage vs WWH. 😐

ummm No.. I was reffering to Abomination, since that's who we're talking about..

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He doesnt have to be, he needs to be good enough.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and hes going to be good enough to attack Aboms weak points.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Professor Hulk is much more durable than Spiderman, but Spidermans kicks still hurt, obvoussly Cage will do much better.

Originally posted by jinzin
🤨 what weak points?

Thats the 64 dollar question. I brought this up several times (only using Hulk as an example per Karnak) but nobody seems to want to touch upon it.

There's really no way Cage can win this. It shouldnt be this hard for people to comprehend.

Just want to bring up an issue that people seem to have neglected being trained by captain america does not give Luke Cage Cap's SPEED, AGILITY, or REFLEX'S.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Just want to bring up an issue that people seem to have neglected being trained by captain america does not give Luke Cage Cap's SPEED, AGILITY, or REFLEX'S.

Well said mate. Some people on here seem to think that Luke will speed blitz Abomination, like Spiderman. It won't happen and Luke goes down, hard.

Originally posted by jinzin

Since when?

This is still being debated? Luke Cage needs to Power Gem to beat A-bomb, period.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
This is still being debated? Luke Cage needs to Power Gem to beat A-bomb, period.

Yea, Abom. wins though.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Phantom, that scan is from Hulk #401, not #398. Anyway the punches he was throwing in that scan will be a lot harder than what Cage is capable of-Ironclad was dazed at the end of that beating but not unconscious

Still doesnt make it PIS because:

1. Cage has shown to be able to do stuff like that many a time. He also one-shotted Doc Samson and prior to his upgrade damaged Iron Mans armour.
2. Hgh showings and low showings can vary, for example Cap has been hurt by punshes from humans but has also survived breifly in a nuclear reactor and had his head used as a wrecking ball by a superhuman red skull.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Stop using the its PIS argument. Its crappy debating, its an established part of his powerset hes been doing it for 100s of years you cant just come along and say its PIS, and its not just him either Daredevil can do the same

Im gonna have to explain myself again? Hes not going to be as good as Cap but hes still going to be very skillful, he doesnt need to be as good as Cap the class35 strength plus his added durability will compensate him. As explained already hes punches are harder than people of the same strength level because his skin is harder so its like a class35 person with titanuim knuckle dusters.

Also if you train intensively you can be better than somebody who has done it for years if you do alot in relatively short time space. No im not saying he will be as good as Cap, but he will be a skillful MA.

I think you used PIS. I said Cap has the ability to make people job to him i.e. he is the ultimate overcomer. This cannot be taught.

Luke's skin is not as tough as Abominations so it would be like me being hit by someone with brittle bone disease. Lukes steel (or diamond) hard skin means jack sh!t to someone with harder skin.

How long does it take to get to Caps level of skill or any where near it 1 year you think. There are martial arts proponents that take 3-5 years to be considered experts. One year in caps hands would make Cage pretty good but he would be a long long long long way shy of Cap himself. Do you think hawkeye is in caps class for fighting?

My arguments are not crappy maybe you just don't get them phantom zone.

Originally posted by severance
I think you used PIS.

Ok how did I use PIS?

Originally posted by severance

I said Cap has the ability to make people job to him i.e. he is the ultimate overcomer. This cannot be taught.

He doesnt make people "job". That implies PIS, its shows lack of understanding of the character.

Originally posted by severance

Luke's skin is not as tough as Abominations so it would be like me being hit by someone with brittle bone disease. Lukes steel (or diamond) hard skin means jack sh!t to someone with harder skin.

Sorry mate lots of characters have been able to hurt characters more durable than them. Heres on example Spiderman beat the **** out of the Iron Man of 2020. Hell hes not even an MA expert. Im sure I can find some others examples

Furthermore Spiderman cant KO hulk, but Hulk can at least feel his punches.....again if somebody were much stronger and more durable that could KO him if they aimed at a weak point.

Originally posted by severance

How long does it take to get to Caps level of skill or any where near it 1 year you think. There are martial arts proponents that take 3-5 years to be considered experts. One year in caps hands would make Cage pretty good but he would be a long long long long way shy of Cap himself. Do you think hawkeye is in caps class for fighting?

My arguments are not crappy maybe you just don't get them phantom zone.

1. As explained already he doesnt need to be as good as Cap his strength will make the difference.
2. Other characters have been able to hurt much mor durable characters without MA, so that neccesarily doesnt mean a thing.

Another point to add even Cap himself has stated if has superhuman strength that would make him more of an effective fighter so strength is still an issue its not entriely skill.

Oh and heres an example of Spiderman hurting Hulk.
http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=382124ef.gif

Note im not arguing that Spiderman can KO Hulk, my point is that a much stronger more durable character can KO Abom in the right place if Spiderman can hurt Hulk.

😂 Zones funny.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Another point to add even Cap himself has stated if has superhuman strength that would make him more of an effective fighter so strength is still an issue its not entriely skill.

Oh and heres an example of Spiderman hurting Hulk.
http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=382124ef.gif

Note im not arguing that Spiderman can KO Hulk, my point is that a much stronger more durable character can KO Abom in the right place if Spiderman can hurt Hulk.

I don't see the hulk hurt in that scan. No damage done no exclamation of pain. His head is moved slightly but then Spidey can shift 10 tons hulks head weighs a lot less than 10 tons

Originally posted by severance
I don't see the hulk hurt in that scan. No damage done no exclamation of pain. His head is moved slightly but then Spidey can shift 10 tons hulks head weighs a lot less than 10 tons

Hes teeth are clenched looks like it stung a little.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Sorry mate lots of characters have been able to hurt characters more durable than them. Heres on example Spiderman beat the **** out of the Iron Man of 2020. Hell hes not even an MA expert. Im sure I can find some others examples

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok how did I use PIS?

He doesnt make people "job". That implies PIS, its shows lack of understanding of the character.

Sorry mate lots of characters have been able to hurt characters more durable than them. Heres on example Spiderman beat the **** out of the Iron Man of 2020. Hell hes not even an MA expert. Im sure I can find some others examples

Furthermore Spiderman cant KO hulk, but Hulk can at least feel his punches.....again if somebody were much stronger and more durable that could KO him if they aimed at a weak point.

1. As explained already he doesnt need to be as good as Cap his strength will make the difference.
2. Other characters have been able to hurt much mor durable characters without MA, so that neccesarily doesnt mean a thing.

Forgive me for not making mysel clear you used the term PIS i did not. Characters of far greater power than Cap lose to him - that is given. Whether it is jobbing by CIS or PIS or just being outmanouvered by the great tactician, they lose when the bookies say they shouldn't. Cage does not have this sort of ability. He is not the master tactician he is not the super soldier this cannot be taught especially not in one year.

Spider man beats more powerful characters often. You could argue that he should not be able to, that this is is PIS (Firelord anyone?). Since we cannot use this "crappy" argument of even of Marvels most iconic character, I can only suggest this is due Spidey's speed, his ability to heal his bruised knuckles (I know his recuperative powers are low order but he does have them), he "out-psyches" them with snappy one liners. He uses his webbing and he avoids damage because of his spider sense. Apart from recuperative powers Cage doesn't possess these abilities

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Well said mate. Some people on here seem to think that Luke will speed blitz Abomination, like Spiderman. It won't happen and Luke goes down, hard.

Actually no I dont, dont put words in my mouth but he will be able to dodge a good portion of blows.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually no I dont, dont put words in my mouth but he will be able to dodge a good portion of blows.

That sure would have been a short comic book if Hulk had connected. Granted Luke Cage with Cap training is gonna dodge a large proportion of blows from Abom. But he only really needs one

Originally posted by severance
That sure would have been a short comic book if Hulk had connected. Granted Luke Cage with Cap training is gonna dodge a large proportion of blows from Abom. But he only really needs one

Thats why im giving Abom 7/10. He could posibly KO him before that happens.