Originally posted by jrodslam
Give Cage the year training and a 25 ton powerup and hed beat Abom.
Bro i dont think that after a years training he would still be 25 tons. I can see him probably reaching 35. 😬
Its not just a years training its a years intensive training so basically hes going eat, sleep and drink martial arts day and night.
Even at his current level he has been able to oneshot Ironclad and Doc Samson (bad showing but not impossible).
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I think Jrod was hinting at a 25-ton boost to Cage's current level of strength.
Yes I know, the point im making is that 1 years tarining would boost his 25 ton strength. Some superhumans do workout for example US Agent he is classified as class 10 but we can assume some of that strength comes from working out and not just augmentation.
So Luke after a year would probably not be 50 tons but I can see him reaching 35 tons.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont think that training with cap would make him much stronger. I think 99% of the training with Cap would be on technique and MA's anyways. I was hinting to a power boost for Cage.
Why would it when a major part of martial arts training involevs increasing your strength, durability and stamina?
Originally posted by jrodslam
I think that he needs to be much stronger to beat Abom. Even if hes trained with Cap for a year.
Ok but even at his current level he has been able to take down Doc Samson and Ironclad. 😐
Originally posted by jrodslam
I say give Cage the training and team him with Strong Guy and they Beat Abom.😄
Well that would do it.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Why would it when a major part of martial arts training involevs increasing your strength, durability and stamina?
Well i dont think ma's really involves increasing your strength moreso than pure weightlifting. Ma's imo is more about focusing, awareness, speed and effectiveness without strain. Most of the high ma's dont have to worry bout being strong nor being hit much and would rather bepend on their skills.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok but even at his current level he has been able to take down Doc Samson and Ironclad. 😐
And Doc and Iron Clad arent far away from him in terms of strength. Iron Clad isnt as experienced either.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Well i dont think ma's really involves increasing your strength moreso than pure weightlifting. Ma's imo is more about focusing, awareness, speed and effectiveness without strain. Most of the high ma's dont have to worry bout being strong nor being hit much and would rather bepend on their skills.
All the high Mas do training to increase their strength eventhought they can take out much stronger opponents. In the real world mas may not use weights but they would do some exercises to incraese their strength. Cap does weights and so does the US Agent, why wouldnt Luke do strength training. Remember hes spending a year with Cap not just learning some techniques.
Originally posted by jrodslam
And Doc and Iron Clad arent far away from him in terms of strength. Iron Clad isnt as experienced either.
Wrong on both accounts. Doc Samson has been refered to as having Hulk level strength thats means hes more than twice as stronga s him. Ironclad is class 60, has been around for awhile and actually has hand-to-hand abilities.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
All the high Mas do training to increase their strength eventhought they can take out much stronger opponents. In the real world mas may not use weights but they would do some exercises to incraese their strength. Cap does weights and so does the US Agent, why wouldnt Luke do strength training. Remember hes spending a year with Cap not just learning some techniques.
All the high ma's dont rely on strength, yet they still take out stronger opponents. Dont get me wrong, they probably do do some weight lifting, but they dont lift in order to build muscle mass and higher strength. Cap does weights cause hes built to be better than a normal human. He benches over 1,000 lbs. Same as USAgent. DD, IF, Shang, and others hardly weight lift to gain muscle mass and strength. They focus more on technique, agility and speed.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wrong on both accounts. Doc Samson has been refered to as having Hulk level strength thats means hes more than twice as stronga s him. Ironclad is class 60, has been around for awhile and actually has hand-to-hand abilities.
Not sure where you get your info, but unless Doc got a massive strength upgrade, hes doesnt have Hulk level of strength. He never has imo. Yea, hes hung with Hulk in fights, but hes not Hulk level in terms of strength. And like i said, Iron clad may be 60cl, but hes no where near as experienced as Cage, so i wouldnt put it past cage to best him.
Originally posted by jrodslam
All the high ma's dont rely on strength, yet they still take out stronger opponents. Dont get me wrong, they probably do do some weight lifting, but they dont lift in order to build muscle mass and higher strength. Cap does weights cause hes built to be better than a normal human. He benches over 1,000 lbs. Same as USAgent. DD, IF, Shang, and others hardly weight lift to gain muscle mass and strength. They focus more on technique, agility and speed.
Anyway they all do strength training right? DD can use 400Lbs like a bo staff I dont care what reasons you think he does strength training he does strength training. Therefore Luke would as well, hell even Thing uses weights.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Not sure where you get your info, but unless Doc got a massive strength upgrade, hes doesnt have Hulk level of strength. He never has imo. Yea, hes hung with Hulk in fights, but hes not Hulk level in terms of strength.
I think that means Hulk level baseline 70 tons. Luke pawned him. 😐
Originally posted by jrodslam
And like i said, Iron clad may be 60cl, but hes no where near as experienced as Cage, so i wouldnt put it past cage to best him.
I dont know about him being hugely more experienced than Luke you know. Ironclad has been around. You also ahve to take into account eventhough Luke is class25 his skin is tougher so when he punches it does more damage than other people of his strength class. Its like a class25 with knuckledusters. Experience alone does not explain why Luke took him out so easily.
Luke has also brawled with Orca as well. Orca has been described was having class80 strength. 😐
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bro i dont think that after a years training he would still be 25 tons. I can see him probably reaching 35. 😬Its not just a years training its a years intensive training so basically hes going eat, sleep and drink martial arts day and night.
Even at his current level he has been able to oneshot Ironclad and Doc Samson (bad showing but not impossible).
What's Cage's lift right now? Was a time he lifted about 3 tons and he looked in good shape. How do you figure doing the Captain America workout will have him lifting 25 or 35 tons? How is doing intense weight training going to multiply his strength by ten times? If I can lift 200 pounds, great. I can lift weights and do the Captain America workout til hell freezes over and I'm never gonna lift two thousand pounds.
Anyway, Abomination is 100 tons at least. Cage isn't even in his league and never will be without a major power boost and just doing more pushups and weight training alone cannot explain that. The Cap workout isn't going to make him enough stronger and the martial workout is fine except his opponent still would have twenty times his strength. Hell, even the Chuck Norris workout with Stephen Seagal's attitude wouldn't win this one.