Havok (Sun Dipped) Vs Hulk

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Originally posted by Da Pittman
I didn’t say that it went away for him, for this version of the Hulk what you describe would be an “upgrade” then previous version because the ability to tap into each other effectively increases the rate and level at how strong he gets. While the other version may have been able to do this on a lesser level doesn’t mean that it is not an improvement. This level is not the normal level for him in this current version, in effect it is like he is charging up for the battle to come such as Havok being dipped in a star. This was always there but needed something to “amp” him up and in this case it is anger and the “tapping” into thing that you described.

there's a difference that's quite crucial, between your "sun-dipped" scenario and Hulk's increased base-levels. it's that those are external forces feeding energy into the being, empowering him to new levels. like Surfer taking in cosmic energy in preparation for some monumental feat.

Hulk is not taking in any external energy, merely opening up the tap a little on his own energies. he is the source.

the thing about his mental disposition is that it applies to all characters, more or less, in that they fight harder when they're angry/vengeful, than when they're just not interested. WWH is just that, a cold anger. it just means that he doesn't bottle up the energies quite so much, that he does let it out more... but it's not like he wouldn't anyway, once in a fight... which is the key difference between that and the example you gave.

Originally posted by janus77
there's a difference that's quite crucial, between your "sun-dipped" scenario and Hulk's increased base-levels. it's that those are external forces feeding energy into the being, empowering him to new levels. like Surfer taking in cosmic energy in preparation for some monumental feat.

Hulk is not taking in any external energy, merely opening up the tap a little on his own energies. he is the source.

the thing about his mental disposition is that it applies to all characters, more or less, in that they fight harder when they're angry/vengeful, than when they're just not interested. WWH is just that, a cold anger. it just means that he doesn't bottle up the energies quite so much, that he does let it out more... but it's not like he wouldn't anyway, once in a fight... which is the key difference between that and the example you gave.

If I remember correctly Hulk taps into an external power source for his strength, however my example is not to show a complete comparison but and example that both use an outside stimulant to boost themselves. As for Hulk he basically flips the switch that allows him more power, because of his currently mind set this has become easier for him. If the other is true and he is the source then his base level or strength would be unlimited and that he has to control it or by limitations of his mind and body inhibits the release of the power.

I meant external in the sense that the powersource is not an innate feature of the character, hence sun-dipping or say upgraded armour.

Hulk basically is the 'nexus' through which the energies flow, as The Beyonder said, they're "in him" ... which is only possible in weird multi-dimensional physics. Hulk inhibits the amount of power released, at least that's how it seems, since at World Breaker levels he was clearly failing to contain the powers, as he did for a spell during the Heroes Reborn saga.

I think we agree mostly on the same points but have a difference of opinion on what is considered his base level of strength before and during the war. Is the current version more deadly then previous version I would say so, but with the way the character is designed and explained I don’t see him as being any stronger only less limited.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I think we agree mostly on the same points but have a difference of opinion on what is considered his base level of strength before and during the war. Is the current version more deadly then previous version I would say so, but with the way the character is designed and explained I don’t see him as being any stronger only less limited.

exactly, less limited.
I guess it's a case of "glass half full or half empty", both are valid ways of describing it.

Originally posted by janus77
exactly, less limited.
I guess it's a case of "glass half full or half empty", both are valid ways of describing it.
I'm more of "its in the middle" kind of guy 😛

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I'm more of "its in the middle" kind of guy 😛

*smashes glass, picks up sharp segment*
you what? 😈

Originally posted by janus77
*smashes glass, picks up sharp segment*
you what? 😈
You silly man bring a shard of glass to a gun fight pitt_guns

Originally posted by Da Pittman
You silly man bring a shard of glass to a gun fight pitt_guns

💃 does that help?
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