Punisher vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well he wasnt actually born with that intelligence like his fighting skills he id things to increase it.

If he doesnt understand it then how come he has and posseses God tech? He has also been able to hack into martian tech is krptonian tech 2000 years more advanced.

fighting skills isn't the same as understanding tech... some people just have a natural flair for things, batman seems to have a natural flair for pretty much everything...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well he wasnt actually born with that intelligence like his fighting skills he id things to increase it.

If he doesnt understand it then how come he has and posseses God tech? He has also been able to hack into martian tech is krptonian tech 2000 years more advanced.

he hacked it, sure, but that doesnt mean he would be able to understand all of its inner workings... he found flaws that he could exploit, yes, but he's not going to be building a phantom zone projector any time soon...

and batmans intelligence>franks, by miles, when it comes to tech. its not a slur against frank, but batman is just insanely intelligent to the point where he understands shit no human should be able to...

Originally posted by Raoul
fighting skills isn't the same as understanding tech... some people just have a natural flair for things, batman seems to have a natural flair for pretty much everything...

Sorry bro you missed the point. The point is that Bruce was not born with genuis level intellect he learnt things in order to increase it and Frank has 200 years

Originally posted by Raoul

he hacked it, sure, but that doesnt mean he would be able to understand all of its inner workings... he found flaws that he could exploit, yes, but he's not going to be building a phantom zone projector any time soon...

In order to hack Martian tech you need to understand it, he may not be able to understand it all but obvoulsy he will understand some of it. Why cant he build a phantom zone projector isnt the PZ just a dimension? He cant build a dimensional projector?

Originally posted by Raoul

and batmans intelligence>franks, by miles, when it comes to tech. its not a slur against frank, but batman is just insanely intelligent to the point where he understands shit no human should be able to...

True but Frank has 200 years

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
After 200 years he would have learnt advanced tech in Marvel

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You are also assuming that hes going to go in there with guns blazing and not take time to analyse things.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well he wasnt actually born with that intelligence

Ok I tell you what. You tell me what YOU think he could achieve in 200 years in marvel.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yes.. he was. He wasn't born with particular technological knowledge,but he was born with his innate intelligence. Something Punisher does not have anything near. Being more learned does not necessarily mean being more intelligent, nor vice versa.

I dindt say that Bruce wasnt intelligent I said that he learnt ceratin things to increase it to genuis level. So what you're telling me is that he has 200 years and he cant increase it to Batmans level? 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Sorry bro you missed the point. The point is that Bruce was not born with genuis level intellect he learnt things in order to increase it and Frank has 200 years

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
In order to hack Martian tech you need to understand it, he may not be able to understand it all but obvoulsy he will understand some of it. Why cant he build a phantom zone projector isnt the PZ just a dimension? He cant build a dimensional projector?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
True but Frank has 200 years

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dindt say that Bruce wasnt intelligent I said that he learnt ceratin things to increase it to genuis level. So what you're telling me is that he has 200 years and he cant increase it to Batmans level? 😐

Batman was always a genius level intellect. He wasn't necessarily learned in as many fields, but his innate intelligence doesn't increase as he learns more information.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Do you actually believe the Punisher has as much innate mental capacity and faculties as Batman?

Again 200 years....my god. Thats alot of time to increase it. 200......years......200.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again 200 years....my god. Thats alot of time to increase it. 200......years......200.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How exactly? Using technology you made up that SHIELD has?

Ok so SHIELD doest have any information on how to enhance abilities? Also since normal people have developed mental abilties through training he could do the same as well.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok so SHIELD doest have any information on how to enhance abilities?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Does SHIELD have technology you've made up that will massively increase Punisher's intelligence, which for some reason they've never used before and is just sitting in storage? Does it come as a helmet? Goggles? Is it electric? Is it nuclear powered? Hydroelectric? Is it powered by the soul of a lost child? Is it pretty in hot pink? Is it portable? Is it pocket sized? Does it have side-effects? How many do they have? Will they notice it's gone missing? How long does it take to work? Hours? Days? Years? Did they keep the plans? Is it difficult to operate? Are it's inner workings complex? Does it need regular maintenance? Is it heavily guarded?

I didnt ask you that. I asked you does SHIELD have information on how to enhance abilities? Yes or No. 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Also since normal people have developed mental abilties through training he could do the same as well.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I didnt ask you that. I asked you does SHIELD have information on how to enhance abilities? Yes or No. 😐

All while running around learning self-taught magic and genetically modifying himself. And making his cosmic cube.

For reference Nathaniel Essex is around 200 years old, a bonafide genius geneticist and can't beat the X-Men.

Im going to wait for you to answer this question. Then maybe i'll deal with the others later.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I didnt ask you that. I asked you does SHIELD have information on how to enhance abilities? Yes or No. 😐

I gave my answer. I don't know. Probably. Consequently you tell me? And perhaps while you're at it you can answer my questions since I answered yours.

Do I think they have detailed bulletpointed how-tos and troubleshooting? No... Do I think that whatever processes are involved are packaged into a nice commercial kit? No... Do I think there's already something there that he can just nick that will give him Battelligence? No... But if they do have any of the above, then I'm open to seeing it.

However having some information about enhancing abilities is a far cry from a few pages ago where it was implied Frank would steal some pre-existing heretofore unknown intelligence increasing technology.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]Sorry bro you missed the point. The point is that Bruce was not born with genuis level intellect he learnt things in order to increase it and Frank has 200 years

you either have an aptitude for learning stuff like that quickly or you dont... batman has it, reed has it, tony stark has it, michael holt has it, frank castle doesn't... all of the men i mentioned are technological genuises... some of that you learn, yes, but you have to have that underlying ability that comes naturally...

In order to hack Martian tech you need to understand it, he may not be able to understand it all but obvoulsy he will understand some of it. Why cant he build a phantom zone projector isnt the PZ just a dimension? He cant build a dimensional projector?

he could build one out of his own tech maybe, but it wouldnt be half as advanced as the kryptonian version...

True but Frank has 200 years

he isnt batman, or any of the others i named earlier... he's a soldier, a very talented one, but if you left him alone in the fortress of solitude for 200 years, i very much doubt he'd learn anything that useful...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I gave my answer. I don't know. Probably. Consequently you tell me? And perhaps while you're at it you can answer my questions since I answered yours.

Do I think they have detailed bulletpointed how-tos and troubleshooting? No... Do I think that whatever processes are involved are packaged into a nice commercial kit? No... Do I think there's already something there that he can just nick that will give him Battelligence? No... But if they do have any of the above, then I'm open to seeing it.

However having some information about enhancing abilities is a far cry from a few pages ago where it was implied Frank would steal some pre-existing heretofore unknown intelligence increasing technology.

No you didnt answer the question.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I didnt ask you that. I asked you does SHIELD have information on how to enhance abilities? Yes or No. 😐

Originally posted by Raoul
you either have an aptitude for learning stuff like that quickly or you dont... batman has it, reed has it, tony stark has it, michael holt has it, frank castle doesn't... all of the men i mentioned are technological genuises... some of that you learn, yes, but you have to have that underlying ability that comes naturally...

Frank has 200 years to catch up.

Originally posted by Raoul

he could build one out of his own tech maybe, but it wouldnt be half as advanced as the kryptonian version...

Well ok but it seems to me your saying that Batman doesnt have understand of some aspects of kryptonian tech, the fact that he can hack into a Martian database and is the JLA gadgetter and Superman is not seems to indicate that he could operate some aspects of krptonian tech. Hell I thought god tech is above krptonian tech?

Originally posted by Raoul

he isnt batman, or any of the others i named earlier... he's a soldier, a very talented one, but if you left him alone in the fortress of solitude for 200 years, i very much doubt he'd learn anything that useful...

Faulty logic hes not being left int the fortress for 200 years, he been left out the world where he can increase his stats and then hoepruflly be able to understand things like that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Frank has 200 years to catch up.

he'd need at least twice that to even begin to catch up...

look. ill put it this way: you watch any sports? lets say you play american football/basketball/english football, right? you spend two hundred years improving your game. will you ever be as good as madden/kobe/pele? no, unless you are already, and why? because unless you were born with that natural ability, then you won't ever reach that pinnacle.

yes batman learned how to be a detective/mechanic/fighter, but he is only as good at it as he is because he had the natural aptitude for it in the first place...

Well ok but it seems to me your saying that Batman doesnt have understand of some aspects of kryptonian tech, the fact that he can hack into a Martian database and is the JLA gadgetter and Superman is not seems to indicate that he could operate some aspects of krptonian tech. Hell I thought god tech is above krptonian tech?

first of all, if batman could manage any sort of kryptonian tech, there is one small thing to consider: He's Batman. He can do shit most mere mortals (including frank) can't do. its just how good he is. saying batman can do it doesnt mean frank can just because he has a little extra time, because he isnt batman.

Faulty logic hes not being left int the fortress for 200 years, he been left out the world where he can increase his stats and then hoepruflly be able to understand things like that.

it was an EXAMPLE. i didnt say he was in the fortress, i said IF he was in the fortress to illustrate the fact that he wouldnt be able to figure all that out... batman is a mechanical genius, and he STILL has trouble with stuff built by the t.o. morrow's of the world...

frank is many things, but he is not batman...

You can do alot in 200 years. Not that I think Punisher even needs that much time.

Punisher 8/10

Originally posted by Raoul
he'd need at least twice that to even begin to catch up...

look. ill put it this way: you watch any sports? lets say you play american football/basketball/english football, right? you spend two hundred years improving your game. will you ever be as good as madden/kobe/pele? no, unless you are already, and why? because unless you were born with that natural ability, then you won't ever reach that pinnacle.

yes batman learned how to be a detective/mechanic/fighter, but he is only as good at it as he is because he had the natural aptitude for it in the first place...

first of all, if batman could manage any sort of kryptonian tech, there is one small thing to consider: He's Batman. He can do shit most mere mortals (including frank) can't do. its just how good he is. saying batman can do it doesnt mean frank can just because he has a little extra time, because he isnt batman.

it was an EXAMPLE. i didnt say he was in the fortress, i said IF he was in the fortress to illustrate the fact that he wouldnt be able to figure all that out... batman is a mechanical genius, and he STILL has trouble with stuff built by the t.o. morrow's of the world...

frank is many things, but he is not batman...

oooooo I see you think im saying that if Frank lerans stuff he cant get as good as Bruce in 200 years. Correct, im saying he can use artficial means as well.