Punisher vs Wolverine

Started by Zeitgeist58 pages

Originally posted by Sado22
okay so that makes it even better. one person has 200 years to prepare for a fight against a man whose weakness EVERYONE knows. 😆

for one i'm pretty sure the thread was talking about only those who CAN be killed by a bullet. for one don't tell me batman is genius iq since i already know that. the point that you (as always) miss is that frank has 200 years to prepare for it. bruce found out superman's weakness is kryptonite. well congrads to bruce for finding out the one thing that every jackass in DC knows. as for wonder woman and the rest, his "antis" weren't over the top intelligent. oh wait green latern's blinded..........that takes a millenia of scientific knowledge to figure out.
😆

and again, the keywor is TWO HUNDRED YEARS! jackass.

~Sado

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Originally posted by Zeitgeist
JIIINZIIIN!

*cough*

sup buddy!?!?? I appreciate anyone who's watched zeitgeist... but smurphs are nastalgic. 🙁

Originally posted by jinzin
And that's wishful thinking..

Okay cowboy... have you realized this?

First Frank needs to infiltrate SHIELD without getting caught.
Then he needs to get out of SHIELD without getting caught.
Then he has to avoid getting caught when SHIELD finds out what he's done. So he's already going to have a cape-killing government organization on his ass in the MU alone.

Then there's the fact that he doesn't even know where to get what he's looking for. Or what he's looking for for that matter.
What is he supposed to find? A hardrive with info? Maybe.
A disk? Possibly
A head contraption? Who knows?

What if it's a generator sized piece of machinery though? Then what?

THEN he has to figure out how it would work, and if it was on a disk or drive how to build whatever kind of device that the info he found told him.

The time and money invested in such an operation would already most likely wipe Frank's current resources dry.

On top of this there's the whole fact that if SHIELD DID have the tech to make their people geniuses they sure as hell would have used it by now!

But when you see people like Hill, Fury, and Dum-Dum Dugan (oh the irony) running the show, we're not exactly left with that impression are we?

Logical?
Okay, what's logical about this? You ASSUMED SHIELD has technology that can increase a person's intelligence into a gifted capacity.
You ASSUMED that it would be easily accessible to Punisher simply based on the fact that he's been in a SHIELD hellicarrier if they did.
You ASSUMED that doing something like this would carry no ill consequences on Frank's part.
Hell, you ASSUMED that this would be Frank's course of action in spite of an entire career of him running around with a "shoot em up" mentality, and what for? To capitalize on weaknesses about heroes he only has public and quite limited knowledge about in some ploy to be as dangerous to over 60,000 people as Batman is to his closest colleagues...

Yeah.. Logical... 🙄

The fact of the matter is as I said, you'll go to any lengths in addressing "your" character the benefit of the doubt so that he/she will look good in a thread.

Am I wrong?

"Hulk can get strong and angry enough to move lightspeed he'll definitely hit the Flash".... Later
"Captain America will be able to dodge everything Hulk throws at him".

"Punisher can beat Black Widow because he's beaten two people that have beaten her (Ignoring all the times those people kicked his ass at that)"... Later
"You can't use ABC logic"

"Captain America can hurt bricks he obviously punches with 70 tons of force"..... Later
"With the DKR batsuit Cap's stopping power will increase 90 fold, he'll be hitting with 6,300 tons of force"

(When was that suit ever stated capable of lifting 90 tons again? Oh right whatever it takes to make him look good right?)

"Ennis issues that degrade Marvel icons holds serious weight in this debate"... Later
"Hulk's speed feats are PIS, Wolverine beating top tiers is PIS"

In fact.......

"Hulk can hit Flash".... Later..
"Hulk's speed feats are PIS".........

That right there says it all.. you're "logic" akin to your debating "tactics" are total crap, rely on extreme benefits of the doubt and pretty much ignore feasibility and plausibility for the sake of making your characters look better than they are..

No one said he wasn't smart/cunning.. but he's no genius. If he invests time into learning more it's going to be a lot of time, if he invests money.. where does it come from? You're talking about a man who drives around in a van.

Okay lets ASSUME he is more intelligent for whatever reason... now what? How is he going to make use of DC characters' staple weaknesses any better than he would have before when he's stuck with only using common knowledge about them?

Cue whiny emo response.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Cue whiny emo response.

ummm what? 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
ummm what? 😕
He's saying what one of the Punisher fanboys is bound to post... ermmnone

what confuses me the most about how Punisher supose to win. Is the whole rocket launcher theory. Assuming he gets one how is he supose to hit wolverine with it? I mean Logan could dodge it or simply dive behind an object. Also the whole catch him by surprize with a rocket is pritty rediculous, they make a lot of noise lol. They also take time to reload and would pritty easily give away Punisher postion.

Not to mention the smell... With Logan's senses, Punisher would be toast.

Frank was getting his ass handed to him by Night Thrasher the first time they fought. Wolverine would dice him.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
Not to mention the smell... With Logan's senses, Punisher would be toast.

Yea it not like Punisher going to beable to hide from Logan. If anything it be Logan who ambushes him.

wolverine

well jus curious here is people have forgot that wolverine could get preped in that hour too, i mean the man has exp, hes been a samauri, goverment spy, hes has more exp wit weapons and in martial arts than the punisher does!! the punisher is jus a normal guy whos good wit weapons and is skilled in hand to hand!! the fight would go to wolverine without a doubt!! good fight, but wolverine would be the victor!!

Originally posted by jinzin
And that's wishful thinking..

Okay cowboy... have you realized this?

First Frank needs to infiltrate SHIELD without getting caught.
Then he needs to get out of SHIELD without getting caught.
Then he has to avoid getting caught when SHIELD finds out what he's done. So he's already going to have a cape-killing government organization on his ass in the MU alone.

Then there's the fact that he doesn't even know where to get what he's looking for. Or what he's looking for for that matter.
What is he supposed to find? A hardrive with info? Maybe.
A disk? Possibly
A head contraption? Who knows?

What if it's a generator sized piece of machinery though? Then what?

THEN he has to figure out how it would work, and if it was on a disk or drive how to build whatever kind of device that the info he found told him.

The time and money invested in such an operation would already most likely wipe Frank's current resources dry.

On top of this there's the whole fact that if SHIELD DID have the tech to make their people geniuses they sure as hell would have used it by now!

But when you see people like Hill, Fury, and Dum-Dum Dugan (oh the irony) running the show, we're not exactly left with that impression are we?

Logical?
Okay, what's logical about this? You ASSUMED SHIELD has technology that can increase a person's intelligence into a gifted capacity.
You ASSUMED that it would be easily accessible to Punisher simply based on the fact that he's been in a SHIELD hellicarrier if they did.
You ASSUMED that doing something like this would carry no ill consequences on Frank's part.
Hell, you ASSUMED that this would be Frank's course of action in spite of an entire career of him running around with a "shoot em up" mentality, and what for? To capitalize on weaknesses about heroes he only has public and quite limited knowledge about in some ploy to be as dangerous to over 60,000 people as Batman is to his closest colleagues...

Yeah.. Logical... 🙄

The fact of the matter is as I said, you'll go to any lengths in addressing "your" character the benefit of the doubt so that he/she will look good in a thread.

Am I wrong?

"Hulk can get strong and angry enough to move lightspeed he'll definitely hit the Flash".... Later
"Captain America will be able to dodge everything Hulk throws at him".

"Punisher can beat Black Widow because he's beaten two people that have beaten her (Ignoring all the times those people kicked his ass at that)"... Later
"You can't use ABC logic"

"Captain America can hurt bricks he obviously punches with 70 tons of force"..... Later
"With the DKR batsuit Cap's stopping power will increase 90 fold, he'll be hitting with 6,300 tons of force"

(When was that suit ever stated capable of lifting 90 tons again? Oh right whatever it takes to make him look good right?)

"Ennis issues that degrade Marvel icons holds serious weight in this debate"... Later
"Hulk's speed feats are PIS, Wolverine beating top tiers is PIS"

In fact.......

"Hulk can hit Flash".... Later..
"Hulk's speed feats are PIS".........

That right there says it all.. you're "logic" akin to your debating "tactics" are total crap, rely on extreme benefits of the doubt and pretty much ignore feasibility and plausibility for the sake of making your characters look better than they are..

No one said he wasn't smart/cunning.. but he's no genius. If he invests time into learning more it's going to be a lot of time, if he invests money.. where does it come from? You're talking about a man who drives around in a van.

Okay lets ASSUME he is more intelligent for whatever reason... now what? How is he going to make use of DC characters' staple weaknesses any better than he would have before when he's stuck with only using common knowledge about them?

Rubbish. I could counter those points but we will just keep going around and around and around.....thats why Wolverine vs threads last so long.

Just the fact that you havent figured out that Frank can steal resources shows your a complete waste of time, so no he wouldnt run out of resources.

Originally posted by Badabing
Guys, this thread had come to my attention too many times in the past week. Let's be civil and debate without resorting to bashing and flaming. Thanks.
Again with this thread. Maybe I didn't make things clear earlier. I don't want to resort to warnings but it seems my friendly requests for civility go unheard. Please, keep things civil or warnings will be dealt and the thread closed. Thank you.

This isn't to anybody in particular.

I could be the Queen of England, but I don't feel like it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I could be the Queen of England, but I don't feel like it.

Well it helps that you look like a 900 year old woman. 😮

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Rubbish. I could counter those points but we will just keep going around and around and around.....thats why Wolverine vs threads last so long.

Just the fact that you havent figured out that Frank can steal resources shows your a complete waste of time, so no he wouldnt run out of resources.

pfffftttt 🙄

so in other news, phantom, you read the civil war Punisher war journal. where he's working for cap? 😄

for one i'm pretty sure the thread was talking about only those who CAN be killed by a bullet.
Which proves you have comprehension problems since that was never a specification. It only said non-bulletproof.

hysterical

~Sado 😄

Originally posted by Sado22
hysterical

~Sado 😄

And this is a clear cut example of your lack of skill revolving around comprehension.... 😐

Wolverine's not bullet-proof but a bullet can't kill him.

non Bullet-proof and able to be killed by bullets aren't the same thing in comic book land.. what a joke.

Originally posted by Soljer
Well...

*takes DEEP breath*

Neither is Jakeem Thunder. Nor the Flash. Nor Dr. Fate, that I know of. Nor Dr. Light. Nor are ANY of the Green Lanterns. Nor Animal Man/Vixen. Nor Captain Cold. Nor Changeling (Beast Boy). Nor are any of the Hawkmen, girls, or Women, are they? Nor is the Human Bomb. Nor is Jericho. Nor Karate Kid. Nor Garth Ranzz. Nor Livewire. Nor Superman Blue. Nor Mirror Master. Nor Molecule. Nor Morgan Le Fay. Nor multiplex. Nor Ocean Master. Nor the friggin Phantom Stranger. Nor is Poison Ivy. Nor is Zoom. Nor is Raven. Nor is Ressurection Man. Nor is Sandman or Dream. Nor is Scorch or Sebastian Faust. Nor is Star Boy. Nor Sun boy. Nor is the Swamp Thing. Nor is Terra. Nor Zatanna. Nor is Wildfire. Nor is Waverider.

*pants heavily*

Hmmm....

Threadstarter of that thread.