Punisher vs Wolverine

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You've gone from that they have an intelligence increasing device, to that they have information sufficient to fashion an intelligence increasing device, to that they have information on superhumans, the last of which was never in question.

Well heres the point. Whats the prupose of SHIELD? Anybody with any commonsense dman well knows that they're going to keep as much information on superhumans as possible....how the hell are they going to do they're job properly?

Hell they probably have information on the X-gene. Why??? Because eventhough mutants are not all bad they are a threat. So they most likely have information on what the posible causes of the X-gene are and all sort of ****.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

And do you still think you don't have a negative bias verses wolverine?

Don't be ridiculous, Wolverine is actually one of my favorite characters to read.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well heres the point. Whats the prupose of SHIELD? Anybody with any commonsense dman well knows that they're going to keep as much information on superhumans as possible....how the hell are they going to do they're job properly?

Hell they probably have information on the X-gene. Why??? Because eventhough mutants are not all bad they are a threat. So they most likely have information on what the posible causes of the X-gene are and all sort of ****.

Originally posted by Creshosk
If Person A is just a civilian that could be the answers given. I doubt they'd divulge information like that to just anyone.

"Oh yeah we have a neuro-enhancer which rapidly develops synaptic pathways in the human brain via the RMS."
"Where is that kept?"
"Oh its kept in subsection A-328 of area 40."
"Area 40?"
"That's in Utah right under the Brigham Young University Campus."
"And How tight is security?"
"Oh we just have a couple of Mormon missionaries down there, noone dares go near 'em."

Thats not even the point at all. This is the point.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well heres the point. Whats the prupose of SHIELD? Anybody with any commonsense dman well knows that they're going to keep as much information on superhumans as possible....how the hell are they going to do they're job properly?

Hell they probably have information on the X-gene. Why??? Because eventhough mutants are not all bad they are a threat. So they most likely have information on what the posible causes of the X-gene are and all sort of ****.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well heres the point. Whats the prupose of SHIELD? Anybody with any commonsense dman well knows that they're going to keep as much information on superhumans as possible....how the hell are they going to do they're job properly?

Hell they probably have information on the X-gene. Why??? Because eventhough mutants are not all bad they are a threat. So they most likely have information on what the posible causes of the X-gene are and all sort of ****.

From SHIELD having pretty in pink intelligence increasing gumboots.
To SHIELD having the information sufficient to create the above, and further extrapolation that Punisher could actually use this in some meaningful way.
To SHIELD having information on superhumans. Shock, horror, big reveal. And then extrapolation from this of either of the two above, without much basis whatsoever.
To SHIELD having information on the X-gene, a subset of superhumans. So?

Are you now trying to imply that in addition to information sufficient to create an intelligence increasing device in a form simple enough for Punisher to interpret SHIELD also have the information available to make artificial X-genes?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Don't be ridiculous, Wolverine is actually one of my favorite characters to read.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats not even the point at all. This is the point.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So essentially we're going off on yet another tangent.

From SHIELD having pretty in pink intelligence increasing gumboots.
To SHIELD having the information sufficient to create the above, and further extrapolation that Punisher could actually use this in some meaningful way.
To SHIELD having information on superhumans. Shock, horror, big reveal. And then extrapolation from this of either of the two above, without much basis whatsoever.
To SHIELD having information on the X-gene, a subset of superhumans. So?

Are you now trying to imply that in addition to information sufficient to create an intelligence increasing device in a form simple enough for Punisher to interpret SHIELD also have the information available to make artificial X-genes?

The point is this what sort of information do you think that an orgainzations whos main responsibility is to protect the earth from superhumans has? Use your head. Whe sheild agents were fighting Gorgon guess what devices they had....they had psi-blockers. Why did they have psi-blockers????????

You dont think that SHIELD hasnt got information on people with superhuman intelligence, you dont think they wouldnt invest time and money into reasearching different superhuman powers? A great big filthy organisation whos amin prupose is to deal with superhumans and they dont have anything on superhuman intelligence?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Way to miss the point.

Nice talkin to you Cresh. Later.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point is this what sort of information do you think that an orgainzations whos main responsibility is to protect the earth from superhumans has? Use your head. Whe sheild agents were fighting Gorgon guess what devices they had....they had psi-blockers. Why did they have psi-blockers????????

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point is this what sort of information do you think that an orgainzations whos main responsibility is to protect the earth from superhumans has? Use your head. Whe sheild agents were fighting Gorgon guess what devices they had....they had psi-blockers. Why did they have psi-blockers????????

Nice talkin to you Cresh. Later.

So rather than all of this speculative bullshit how abourt some empirical evidence to support your claims?

No more slippery slope fallacy either. "If they have info on super beings ethen they must have info on tech to increase brain power, then punisher can get access to it then punisher can use it."

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Having psi-blockers and information on telepaths equates to having information sufficient to create the above mentioned device, and further extrapolation that Punisher could actually use this in some meaningful way? Or having an intelligence increasing machine in the basement?

Hes got 200 years!!! Furthermore since psi-blockers are connected to the mind it could damn well be argued within 200 years he could alter the tech to have different functions such as intellignece increase.

Originally posted by Creshosk
There's a difference between having information on the super beings and having the information you said they had originally. ALso there's a differnce in the levels of access to said information. That being said YOU have to prove that they do with evidence. and you also have to prove that he could get the information and do something with it within an hour of his prep. He's not exactly the [b]most tech savy person around.

So rather than all of this speculative bullshit how abourt some empirical evidence to support your claims?

No more slippery slope fallacy either. "If they have info on super beings ethen they must have info on tech to increase brain power, then punisher can get access to it then punisher can use it." [/B]

I am proving it. My evidence is that there is a reasonable chance that they have information on intelligence increase hell you can even buy books on increasing your memoryy etc, so they most likely have more advanced stuff.

I dont have absoliute proof but alot of the time people dont have absolute proof either. Alot of people think that Cap can beat Spiderman in H2H, has he ever beaten him in a fight to the end? nope but we look at the evidence presented and come to the conclusion that eventhough its not 100 percent there is reasonable evidence to say he can.

I think there is a good chance they ahve information on this due to the fact that the prupose of the organisation is to deal with superhumans and must keep as mcuh information on them as posible.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hes got 200 years!!!

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I am proving it. My evidence is that there is a reasonable chance that they have information on intelligence increase hell you can even buy books on increasing your memoryy etc, so they most likely have more advanced stuff.

Reasonable evidence would be that there are hyperintelligent SHIELD agents running around on panel as a result of SHIELD's technological knowledge and abilities to create thousands upon thousands of Batmen and that SHIELD's upper echelons are filled with even more hyperintelligent Batmen-esque leaders. Are there thousands and thousands of Batmen running around on panel working for SHIELD being lead by even more intelligent Batmen? Is there even a hyperintelligent unit, a Batmen Taskforce, running around?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Just put it in your sig, it's as "meaningful" there and saves you the typing.
Supposition isn't evidence. Also I knew some sort of real life hippy karma pseudoscience feng shui would be brought up eventually.

Reasonable evidence would be that there are hyperintelligent SHIELD agents running around on panel as a result of SHIELD's technological knowledge and abilities to create thousands upon thousands of Batmen and that SHIELD's upper echelons are filled with even more hyperintelligent Batmen-esque leaders. Are there thousands and thousands of Batmen running around on panel working for SHIELD being lead by even more intelligent Batmen? Is there even a hyperintelligent unit, a Batmen Taskforce, running around?

Yeah well you think that Spiderman can beat Cap in H2H, hasnt beaten him before so why speculate?

Anyway the SSS increases intelligence and AIM have information on it and have created MODOK who has superhuman intelligence if Frank can break into SHIELD he break into AIM.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I am proving it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
My evidence is that there is a reasonable chance

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
that they have information on intelligence increase hell you can even buy books on increasing your memoryy etc, so they most likely have more advanced stuff.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont have absoliute proof

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
but alot of the time people dont have absolute proof either.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Alot of people think that Cap can beat Spiderman in H2H, has he ever beaten him in a fight to the end?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
nope but we look at the evidence presented and come to the conclusion that eventhough its not 100 percent there is reasonable evidence to say he can.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah well you think that Spiderman can beat Cap in H2H, hasnt beaten him before so why speculate?

"You think this therefore your arguments are invalid" Ad hominem.
"Why speculate?" which is exactly what you're doing, et tu.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah well you think that Spiderman can beat Cap in H2H, hasnt beaten him before so why speculate?

Originally posted by Creshosk
an ad hominem fallacy combined with et tu... Nice...

"You think this therefore your arguments are invalid" Ad hominem.
"Why speculate?" which is exactly what you're doing, et tu.

Ok heres a question then can Wolverine beat Professor Hulk?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok heres a question then can Wolverine beat Professor Hulk?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A cookie for the person who can distinguish between using on panel evidence, and weighing up the overall abilities of two characters...
and extrapolation of the technological capabilities of an organisation, despite no on panel appearance of having or using this technology, or the capability to create it, based solely on the organisation's "purpose" and that it has information about superhumans and then further extrapolation of this by saying a non-technological genius will manage to interpret said information in some meaningful manner.

yes and you can extropolate what information on organisation most lkely has by looking at its prupose and people they ahve encountered. Saying Spiderman can beat Cap can still be seen as speculation since he has never done it before, but you can guess by looking at feats.

Oh yeah...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Anyway the SSS increases intelligence and AIM have information on it and have created MODOK who has superhuman intelligence if Frank can break into SHIELD he break into AIM.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Anyway the SSS increases intelligence and AIM have information on it and have created MODOK who has superhuman intelligence if Frank can break into SHIELD he break into AIM.