Punisher vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Sado22
but nuts are nuts man. i've had my forearm burn from a barbeque gone wrong and while it hurts like hell, i can tell you i could go on....considering i had to wait as we got to the hospital. but a shot to the crotch is a different thing. you've got all sorts of nerves there. its the one sure fire way of putting a guy out. and it wasn't a shot to the balls.......it was a full wide swing by a 6"1 man who has the power to hold a full grown man up with one arm.
i understand what you're saying, but i feel that you miss the point here.

what i said above. and i'm not saying that it aint impressive btw.

also are you honestly trying to tell me that beeing hit in the balls is more pain thing having your entire body lit on fire?

He was shoot point blank by a flame thrower and told the guy to do it again.

also nerve shots don't work on wolverine.

Originally posted by Sado22
cuz he can heal.

also beeing completely lit up by machine guns with out flinching>>hit in the balls with a bat.

Originally posted by Sado22
you mind explaining this. thanx.

~Sado

Logan is caused great pain every time he unsheaths his claws and the pain keeps on going while there out.

He deals with this during entire fights, hitt or shot in the balls should not put him down period.

So logan asks to get burned but gets hurt from his claws...a bit inconsistent, no?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
So logan asks to get burned but gets hurt from his claws...a bit inconsistent, no?

not really. They both hurt, his pain tolerances is extremely high which is the entire point why a hit to the balls should not put him down.

He suffers far more pain many many times and kept on fighting.

also are you honestly trying to tell me that beeing hit in the balls is more pain thing having your entire body lit on fire?

also nerve shots don't work on wolverine.

which is why being hit in the balls shoudl not take him out of a fight.

Logan is caused great pain every time he unsheaths his claws and the pain keeps on going while there out.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
if you can heal like logan, then external damage is much less a pain to deal with than internal damage. that's why you cure faster from external wounds than internal wounds. you see my point?
basically if his skin burns he can heal it faster............but if his nuts are crushed, that's a whole new ballgame (no puns intended). again, i'm not saying its not impressive though.

Also your theory that some how Logans body will some how heal being hit with a flame thrower faster then blunt force drama to the balls is completely off.

Hit to the balls is damage to a single part of the body. Flame thrower was massive damage all over his entire body. Also the bat caused damage at one point and never continued, the flames never stopped damaging him because he was on fire which constantly caused damage to his body.

So like I said being hit with a flame thrower at closes range>>>>>balls with bat/

Originally posted by Sado22
why not?

Originally posted by Sado22
like i said, it depends on what part of him is hurt. he's been dropped by shots to the eye. so if both his nuts are pasted, he'd go down for sure.

Not to mention the fact Logan has take class 100 hits to the head which would liquefy any organ which is far greater damage then smashed balls, or a gun shot the the ehad.

Originally posted by Sado22
why does the pain go on while they are out? this is the part i don't understand. once they're out they're out right?

~Sado

Actually it not at all. Internal damage can be completely unnoticed which is why it makes it dangerous. Not to mention flame throwers are so hot they would causes massive damage right off the bat all over the body.
Also your theory that some how Logans body will some how heal being hit with a flame thrower faster then blunt force drama to the balls is completely off.
Hit to the balls is damage to a single part of the body. Flame thrower was massive damage all over his entire body. Also the bat caused damage at one point and never continued, the flames never stopped damaging him because he was on fire which constantly caused damage to his body.
So like I said being hit with a flame thrower at closes range>>>>>balls with bat

so if a punch by BW can hurt, sure as hell a fullswing bat by frank would down him. to ad to this is the whole organ damage thing. shot to the eye floored him............and a shot to the crotch from a bat also floored him. so i guess my theory isn't as off as you'd like to be.

It’s pretty simple actually. His body keeps trying to heal the wound the claws makes, but can’t because the claws are out which causes Logan a great deal of pain because his body keeps attempting to heal wounds that can not be healed unless Logan sheaths his claws.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
well, about the surface area of the damage, yeah you do have a point. however, a broken/seriously damaged/squashed organ takes longer to heal.

Originally posted by Sado22
i'm not sure if i remember correct since its been a while, but wasn't there a time when it took logan several years for his eye to grow back or something. can't seem to remember now........its all a bit vague.

Originally posted by Sado22

also, my point of him floored after a shot to the eye ties in to the above theory of whole organs to be replaced.

Originally posted by Sado22

not to mention that they ARE the balls............and logan admitted that they hurt so it refutes your claim of how nerve damage doesn't work on him. if not that, then it ATLEAST shows that nerve damage in the crotch region DOES have an effect on him.

Originally posted by Sado22
so if a punch by BW can hurt, sure as hell a fullswing bat by frank would down him.

Like I have already stated standing in machine gun fire>>hit in the balls

Hit by flame thrower>>>>> hit in the balls.

Originally posted by Sado22
to ad to this is the whole organ damage thing. shot to the eye floored him............and a shot to the crotch from a bat also floored him. so i guess my theory isn't as off as you'd like to be.

The bullet to the eye enter the brain which should not have been possible and was an error by the author making the event more or less useless to your argument.

Bat to the balls is nothing in terms of organ damage to a person who takes shots from 100 class characters and keeps on fighting.

Originally posted by Sado22
i think if something is peirced in your body your body flesh "grows" around it......it doesn't try grow OVER it.
but sure, whatever, i don't expect too much reality from comics.

~Sado

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The superior orbital fissure also has a hole in it. I dont know if its big enough for a bullet to go through but thats what happened to him before

Originally posted by Sado22
good for logan.............oh wait, he's been shot in the eye and floored😬

There is a difference. If it was down, big deal, if it was out it was bad writing. unless it happened mutliple times in which case I'm going to require evidence.

Originally posted by Sado22
well good on you, bub. the reason that pic was posted was cuz battlehammer was trying show us how wolverine can dodge missiles.

Originally posted by Sado22
okay there are a couple of things wrong here:
-for one, i'd have you know that Frank is VERY strong for a normal human being. he was capable of holding a man by the head and drag him up with just ONE ARM. do you understand the amount of upperbody strength i'm talking about here. there have been other times where he effortlessly held a man off the top of a building with just one hand grabbing his leg. if you want i can post those pics for you too. if you have time, read the first issue of welcome back, frank.
-second, have you ever been hit in the crotch? unless what Phantom said about you is true, you'd be pretty effected.
-third, frank (with the above mentioned strength) smacked wolverine with a BASEBALL bat with a full swing and he probably used all he had there. logan's been downed (if what battlehammer siad is true) by a shot to the crotch by Black widow as well. so why can't frank do the sam despite being obviously stronger, bigger and with a bat?
-and lastly, [b]I can take down wolverine with one hour of preperation time and hence so can Frank Castle.[/b]

*adds Lieing to list of Sado's offenses*

Originally posted by jinzin
which means a lot coming from somebody convinced Punisher can take the DCU

Wow...

just...

Wow...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Say WHAT?

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Go to the thread. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
Say WHAT?

Wow...

just...

Wow...

DCU, Parallax, Superman Prime, Wolverine.

The Punisher's busy this week.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
as I said, if the bullet is small enough, it can go through the inferior orbital fissure

Find me a bullet with a .007 caliber that also has any sort of penetrating power.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You can take a full force hit to the nuts from a strong human being with a baseball bat? I thought you said you had health problems? Are you paralised down there or something?

I doubt writers know about the anatomy of the skull...either way it's not like the Marvel universe is strictly rooted in reality. You really can't say Wolverine being shot through his eye socket is just bad writing, but accept he can move around with joints covered in adamantium.

That being said, Wolverine beats Punisher.

Originally posted by Mindset
I doubt writers know about the anatomy of the skull...either way it's not like the Marvel universe is strictly rooted in reality. You really can't say Wolverine being shot through his eye socket is just bad writing, but accept he can move around with joints covered in adamantium.

Wolverine being taken out by being shot through the eye makes as much sense as spiderman taking out firelod with his fists.

Wolverine moving around with adamantium covered bones makes as much sense as spiderman running around after being bitten by a radioactive spider.

And yes we've seen several times Wolverines skeleton hold together after the flesh was burned, sliced even melted away.

Originally posted by Soljer
DCU, Parallax, Superman Prime, Wolverine.

The Punisher's busy this week.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wow.. I guess the punisher fan is trying for the same entitlements that the storm and hulk fans get...

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Originally posted by Creshosk
It's called consistancy. 🙂

Wolverine being taken out by being shot through the eye makes as much sense as spiderman taking out firelod with his fists.

Wolverine moving around with adamantium covered bones makes as much sense as spiderman running around after being bitten by a radioactive spider.

And yes we've seen several times Wolverines skeleton hold together after the flesh was burned, sliced even melted away.

I agree that a bullet prob couldn't get to Logan's brain through his eye socket and if it does, prob an artist who isn't familiar with anatomy of a skull

but I also think that the artists who draw him as a burned skeleton are just throwing out logic in favor of convenience. Wolverine should fall to pieces everytime he's burned to the bone...or if you're gonna have him remain whole at least come up with an explanation (perhaps to the effect that his tendons don't burn up or something)

Originally posted by Master-Borg
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Originally posted by Master-Borg
I agree that a bullet prob couldn't get to Logan's brain through his eye socket and if it does, prob an artist who isn't familiar with anatomy of a skull

but I also think that the artists who draw him as a burned skeleton are just throwing out logic in favor of convenience.

It's been more than twice.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Wolverine should fall to pieces everytime he's burned to the bone...or if you're gonna have him remain whole at least come up with an explanation (perhaps to the effect that his tendons don't burn up or something)

My hypothesis is that the 616 process for bonding adamantium to bones is in such a way that it allows for the skeleton to reamain together and be able to move. You can see examples of this where if the bonding occured after the reality diverged from the mainstream timeline the bones do not hold together, can be sliced, pulled or burned apart. As evidenced from the Ultimate universe and the AOA universe. realities which diverge from 616 after the bonding process had already occured we get examples of the skeleton holding together with the flesh having been blasted off like in Days of the future past, we see a whole skeleton in uncanny x-men #160. and even remeaining in 616 his flesh has been burned off three times, hulk has failed to pull his arms off, people who are trained with precision have failed to cut through his vertebrae on at least two occasions. All of these things are consistant with each other and lend to my hypothesis.