Which would happen to every organ in his body any time he was hit by individuals like hulk, rough-houses ect. Which never put him down unless hit repeatedly.
also blunt trauma can damage internal organs but here we're talking about replacing whole organs after they get smashed. balls are far more "breakable" than other organs.
How would this be relevant to the conversation?
actually it does not and is an error by the writer. You might want to stop trying to uses such as evidences.
No it causes him some pain, but does not hinder him other then that. Like I have already said he taken far more Punishment and kept right on fighting.
Your logic baffles me. Just becauses something lesser hurts a character does not me something more damaging will put them down.
The bullet to the eye enter the brain which should not have been possible and was an error by the author making the event more or less useless to your argument.
Bat to the balls is nothing in terms of organ damage to a person who takes shots from 100 class characters and keeps on fighting.
Well that could be true for a normal human, it not true for wolverine in this cases.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
depends how hard he gets and WHERE he gets hit don't it? juggernaut for instance has hit people like gambit and while they were unconscious his organs weren't damaged. and you're missing the point: i'm talking about REPLACING organs.also blunt trauma can damage internal organs but here we're talking about replacing whole organs after they get smashed. balls are far more "breakable" than other organs.
Are you kidding me?
One full on Punisher from any incarnation of hulk or any mult tonner would causes far more damage to Logans organs then anything Punisher could do with a bat.
HULK PUNCH>>>>>>>Punisher with bat.
Originally posted by Sado22
cuz if it it takes him years to grow back an eye, how long will it take to grow back squashed nuts?
however, i might be mixing it up with something else, is all i'm saying.
Originally posted by Sado22
why is that an error......considering that happened during a time when his HF was reduced. just like it is reduced in THIS thread.
The reason it worthless is becuases the bullet enter the brain through the eye which defies logic and characters skeleton structure. The bullet would have had to break through adamatium…………
The author made an error and did not do any research on the skeleton stystem.
Originally posted by Sado22
but not when he has to replace whole organs as i've mentioned several times already.
Not to mention the fact the a single Punch from Hulk would destroy every organ in his body, far more damaging then any crap Punisher could do with a bat to the balls.
Originally posted by Sado22
honestly, i don't see what's baffling about it. if something lesser hurts (and he admits it hurts) then something quite a LOT more powerful can concievably put him down. it's plain logic. and notice that its not that frank is using a haymaker or something.........its a full swing of a bat.
Logan who would admit a hand gun bullet does hurt, can then take many machine gun bullets with out being downed.
Sorry, but just because something may hurt does not in any way mean something more pain full will drop them.
Originally posted by Sado22
not unless he has to REGROW them.
Originally posted by Sado22
the keyword was growing organs back. we can settle this properly if one of us can remember his whole "grow eye back" period that took him several years.
Not to mention Logan has regrown organs with in seconds.
Hell Logan got his heart cut in haft by silver samurai while in a weaken state and was still able to keep fighting.
Originally posted by Sado22
i guess you could say that *shrug*~Sado
Are you kidding me?
One full on Punisher from any incarnation of hulk or any mult tonner would causes far more damage to Logans organs then anything Punisher could do with a bat. HULK PUNCH>>>>>>>Punisher with bat.
Like I said it irrelevant. Because as you stated earlier it happen in Logan’s past so assuming the event did take place it would have no baring in this match up sinces logan healing factor is currently many times more powerful.
The reason it worthless is becuases the bullet enter the brain through the eye which defies logic and characters skeleton structure. The bullet would have had to break through adamatium…………The author made an error and did not do any research on the skeleton stystem.
many ways to look at it.
Logan who would admit a hand gun bullet does hurt, can then take many machine gun bullets with out being downed.
You mean he organs which he done time an again.
It a stated fact.
~Sado
apparently i'm getting the feeling that battlehammer just didn't get the "balls" part. balls are a man's greatest weakpoint and he already mentioned that it hurt when BW punched him so it CLEARLY refutes his claim that nerve damage don't work on Logan........and even if he's right, it at least shows that nerve damage or not, his balls are not only hurtable but breakable too (no adamantium). hence he's got a weakness that every man does.
and hten there is the baseball bat
and frank castle swinging it
and logan getting it while he running towards him
and logan getting it when he didn't see it coming at all
and logan getting it while he was shouting a battle cry
Originally posted by Sado22
apparently i'm getting the feeling that battlehammer just didn't get the "balls" part. balls are a man's greatest weakpoint and he already mentioned that it hurt when BW punched him so it CLEARLY refutes his claim that nerve damage don't work on Logan........and even if he's right, it at least shows that nerve damage or not, his balls are not only hurtable but breakable too (no adamantium). hence he's got a weakness that every man does.
This happened back in the what? 30's 40's maybe earlier than that, As he already told you Logan's HF increased many many many times over since then....
Even Xavier said that thing which would have been on lethal to Logan are now nothing more than a mere annoyance to him.
Logan getting SHOT in the balls and penis and not reacting is far more likely than Punisher causing him serious harm in an ENNIS WRITTEN ISSUE...
tell me, why wasn't wolverine affected by getting his entire face blown off? or having his legs sawed into, or run over by a steam roller? Why wasn't he affected by getting hit by a FREAKING ROCKET LAUNCHER?
but a nut shot put him down?
I'll tell you why, it's so Punisher has a chance competing with someone he has no business fighting in the first place.
It's the very definition of PIS... 😐
tell me, why wasn't wolverine affected by getting his entire face blown off?
or having his legs sawed into
or run over by a steam roller?
Why wasn't he affected by getting hit by a FREAKING ROCKET LAUNCHER?
but a nut shot put him down?
~Sado
Originally posted by NesticalBFR = battle field removal
thanks.i seen it in a lot of fights with juggernaut & other guys like that.like silver surfer could only beat juggs by BFR.
Such as Dr. Strange opening a portal to another dimension and chucking Wolverine into it. Or Superman flying the Hulk up into outer space in a perpetual orbit and leaving him there.
It's a cheap win, but per forum rules, unless it's ruled out (usually is), it can be a fair win and a viable tactic.
Originally posted by Sado22
cuz it was surface damage. heck, his eyes were still there. that was a not as serious since it was just skin that was blown off.
THIS is not serious? 😐
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4849/punisher3cx8.jpg
ooookay *rollseyes*
Look if "surface damage" is your argument here, then tell me how on earth you explain the man getting up after all his organs get liquified by brick hits?
It's been stated several times on panel, that's much deeper than "surface damage" times more serious and still ineffective against Wolverine.
Originally posted by Sado22
not whole organs that had to be grown............and while we're at the subject,
Oh so it's organs is it?
Then how you explain him getting up from this?
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2278/untitledscanned0510tv0.jpg
or this?
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4949/wolverine14533gr6.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7149/wolverine14534if6.jpg
Originally posted by Sado22
we still have the bit about it being balls which are a man's most vulnerable area. logan even mentioned that something like a jab from BW "hurt" him.
Now let's try this again, HIS HF HAS GOTTEN BETTER!
Originally posted by Sado22
look i'll try be as clear as i can:
-balls are something that even a jab can hurt (which someone like logan also admitted)
-a hard shot can put any man down
-but it wasn't just a hardshot he got, he got a fullswing bat from someone as strong as Punisher
-he also got it when he didn't see it coming
-and on top of all, while other organs can be grown etc. the balls are the man's most vulnerable area. having them squashed.........PAINFUL. HF or not.
.
For instance HF TURNED OFF:
Even without a healing factor and inhibited by admantium posioning, Wolverine continues to struggle after being cattle prodded with enough volts to aledgedly put down an elepthant; actually it says a whole heard:
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5641/shockhl0.jpg
2. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8854/shock2qr3.jpg
You can't keep sitting there comparing Wolverine to normal human being when practically EVERYTHING the guy does is outside the scope of human capability INCLUDING his tolerance for pain, do you know how many times the's been stabbed or gutted and just stood there taking it?
Hell, as Cap stated, he's stoof with a sword in his friggin HEART and chopped off his attackers arm for his troubles... *stated fact*
So there goes your argument for organ bla bla bla....
Perhaps Wolverine's balls are a "weak spot" maybe you're right, but when you look at the sheer scope of damage soak Wolverine has dealt with without being hindered it's kind of hard to imagine that that's so...
Especially since Wolverine's balls have been SHOT OFF!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/deetee/h05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/deetee/h06.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/deetee/h07.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/deetee/h08.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/deetee/h10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/deetee/h11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/deetee/h12.jpg
now for some reason Punisher with a baseball bat just doesn't scream > bullets to me... 😬
Originally posted by Sado22
the saws broke off when they hit the adamantium. they cut his tendons and that's why he couldn't move. what does this have to do with his balls again?
Originally posted by Sado22
are you seriously going to tell me that he wasn't KO'd with the steam roller?
Considering Wolverine was under it talking muffled trash as it ran him over? YEAH!
Originally posted by Sado22He screamed for people to help him which is understandible.. he didn't say AHHHH ths hurts omg I can't live with the pain.. and when did he pass out?
he was affected. he there screaming his head off. he passed out as well.
Originally posted by Sado22
the rocket launcher wasn't a blunt trauma to the balls. everything that was flesh just disappeared off him in a blink of an eye. its like having a finger cut off..............you don't even feel it at first. in fact you don't feel it for a while.
also you seem to think that the balls bit was a decisive down. logan went down and even frank knew he was far from out which is why he was going to light him up 😬~Sado
No, my issue here is that you're under the impression that Punisher putting Wolverine down with a single nutshot takes precedence over his entire damage soaking career that counteracts against it as evidence.
Ignoring the fact that it's Ennis written garbage...
I've been in MMA for 4 years, Kung Fu for 10, etc..I've been kicked in the nuts too many times, more times than I'd like to remember... but it's not the worst pain you can go through, especially in a fight with adrenaline pumping...
Here we have Wolverine downed by a nutshot, but he's been doing things that absolutely TRUMP that in terms of damage for years disregarding it... You can't legitimately explain it either.... There's a possibility that it's a sore spot on Logan.. perhaps.... but more than likely it's not... It's simply outweighed by counter evidence. 😬
Examples:
Rogues body starts taking on the physical characteristics of verious people she's toched throughout the years. She formulates Wolverine's claws and tells him that it's the worst pain she's ever felt; We find that Wolverine ALWAYS has to endure unbelievable pain with his claws and his HF is always working on the cuts they make inside his arms as a result of them being sheathed.
1. http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3641/clawshurthp7.jpg
2. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4749/clawshurt2cr6.jpg
How Wolverine deals with pain by Cap's impression:Captain America has to bash away on Wolverine's forearms to help drive his claws through a robots joints; Cap assesses that Wolverine must be in immense pain but that he remains motionless nonetheless:
1. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8133/caprobot5mb5.jpg
X-23 slices Wolverine's throat open; Not only does Logan not fall down, but then he proceeds to bat her aside and starts talking as soon as she hits the ground.
1. http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9162/x236uo5.png
Wolverine runs into an inferno to pull Elsie Dee out of a burning building; we catch a good glimpse of how fast he can even grow hair back:
1. http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2601/fireforelsiezw0.jpg
2. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2294/fireforelsie2sg4.jpg
3. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7586/fireforelsie3ja2.jpg
Wolverine throws himself into a burning building to save a small kid, he suffers some pretty serious burns but just asks to be hosed off by the firemen there so he can go in and do it again:
1. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3152/wolverineonfireit7.jpg
2. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6584/wolverineonfire1bs7.jpg
3. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3029/wolverineonfire2jx3.jpg
Wolverine bats blade away after being stabbed through the torso with a sword:
1. http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5559/blade2gr2.jpg
Wolverine takes a full-on lightning bolt from storm; He treats it like it just annoys him:
1. http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3811/stormboltar0.jpg
And this is only a handful of examples that I yanked out of a 62 page document that's onlyhalf done.. 😐
