Originally posted by CreshoskWherever he's refering to wouldn't work. It's sudicide for Frank to even try.
Of course these are the Punisher equivilent to Storm's 2damnloud and Rutog.
Sado=2damnloud
Rutog=Phantom Zone.One posts mostly just a few lines and is someone who's quick to insult.
One is more eloquent with his words, but dressed up shit is still shit.
Yah.
Winter Soldier assaulted Wolverine with prep and help from a sniper. Even after getting the drop on Logan and handcuffing him, Wolverine beat a prepped Winter Soldier with his arms literally tied behind his back.Sabretooth ambushed Wolverine at the weapon X facility after Logan had been put through the wringer by Lady Deathstrike and Omega Red. Wolverine didn't even have a healing factor at this point and even in his beaten stated and with Sabretooth's traps laid out Wolverine stalemated him.
Deadpool, recently prepped to beat Wolverine with multiple weapons and set ups, equiptment that wouldn't even be close to available to Punisher. Even with multiple set ups, tricks, weapons, AND his HF he only was able to stalemate Logan.
Fury met out to fight Logan with prepped equiptment enough to supposedly give Hulk a run for his money, Wolverine beat him up.
Zaran drugged Wolverine and then set out to ambush him on an island while drugged, Wolverine almost killed him.
All of these people had prep (some more than Frank would be able to aquire and set up in an hour) and are as threatening if not moreso than Punisher himself.
But Wolverine keeps coming out on top or at the very least even money.
As for doding gunfire from multiple attackers... Yeah, he can if he tries.
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Finally for people saying that Wolverine being shot through the eye is okay on KMC for having happened in New X-men, Wolverine put his middle claw through Sabretooth's brain at a time that Sabretooth had an adamantium skull.. Should I then conclude that Wolverine can cut through adamantium with ease because a writer made a mistake?
Originally posted by Creshosk
It's funny how the punisher side has to break KMC's rules in order to get a win.Sorry but the shot to the eye is SMvsFL or at least PIS. Wolverine's skeleton is laced with adamantium. There is bone behind the eye.
"it happened" before only once. Just like Spiderman versus firelord where Spiderman knocked out Firelord. However using such showings is against the rules.
Face facts. Punisher is not going to be shooting Wiolverine directly in the brain.
HELLO!!!!!!
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah well I just looked at a diagram of the eye and that hole actually looks like only a needle would fit through it.Yeah I know but for me its unless you can prove the hole in Wolverines eye socket is abnormally big then its PIS. I tell you what though even if it doesnt go into the brain im pretty sure some gunpowder would it should still mess him up.
I see what your saying about comic logic but for that to work bullets would have to shrink and stuff. Hell people get powers from radiocative sources but thats just how physics work in comics so we expect that...but not for bullets to magically shrink.
This is why your a complete and utter waste of time even when I agree with you you dont acknnowledge it. dur
Oh and by the way when Wolverine got conked on the head by the jet he didnt know Puck was inside it. I was going to actually tell you but I wanted to see how long you were gonna keep bsing.
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Puck it was you that conked my adamantuim skull?
Not only that Wolverine KNOWS Puck scent but he wasnt able to detect him but lets assume that Wolverine can use his sense because in one issues he was able to detect different dopplegangers. Furthermore that jet wasnt even flying at half the speed of a bullet. This also goes against the argument that in order to shoot Wolverine in the eye you need the Wrecking Crew or the Marauders as a distraction...hell Frank could use himself.
Hell Wolverine sense of hearing is so good that he can hear people breaking into a factory 100yards away but cant HEAR Cyclops really close.
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Molly Hayes uses Wolverine hearing against him and considering she actually has amped speed its not a low showing.
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Kid, you ever heard of heightened senses? You got exactly three seconds to stop drilling a hole into my brain.
and the result is...
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Hell Frank Castle could use a personal alarm and then blast him point blank with a grenade launcher or something.
Other points Wolverine can dodge bullets. Of course he can bloody dodge bullets but expert marksman have been able to shoot him time and time again. Just because Spiderman can dodge lasers doesnt mean he can dodge a punch by Captain America which is much slower than the speed of light, in the same way just because Wolverine can dodge bullets and lasers doesnt mean hes not going to get shot or blown up by Punisher with 1hrs prep especially when hes been beaten without prep Even if he gets into point blank range we cant assume hes going to win because Frank has beaten him without prep. Furthermore some of the examples of Wolverine getting shot are due to him being distracted which Frank is more than capable of doing especially with 1hrs prep.
Just because Wolverine got shot in the nuts doesnt mean that he cant go down with a baseball bat to the nuts. Cap has had his head used as a battering ram by a superhuman Red Skull, so does this mean that DD or Crossbones cant KO him with punches....of course they can people have different showings
Wolverine has beaten all these people with prep??? First of all DP has actually beaten Wolverine with prep and since his HF is reduced he can use conventional tranqs but very very high does. DP is prone to CIS you can actually see that when he last fought Wolverine his insanity hindered him. It could damn well be argued that Frank is better at Prep than DP because hes not prone to CIS and has actually caught DP with prep. Hell Frank has caused Winter Soldier to back down because he didnt want his brains blown out.
You cant just be selective with your examples. There are plenty of examples to show how Wolverine can be beaten with prep. You cant just pick all the high ones when there are lots of low ones as well......especially when they apply to this situation
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneBecause that was totally directed at you, because just about that your name was one of the ones in quotes... Get over yourself.
HELLO!!!!!!This is why your a complete and utter waste of time even when I agree with you you dont acknnowledge it. dur
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneSo what you're saying is that because other people can acomplish things with superpowers Frank is going to be able to do what these other characters did despite the fact that he doesn't have these superpowers?
Oh and by the way when Wolverine got conked on the head by the jet he didnt know Puck was inside it. I was going to actually tell you but I wanted to see how long you were gonna keep bsing.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-18.jpg
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[B] Puck it was you that conked my adamantuim skull?Not only that Wolverine KNOWS Puck scent but he wasnt able to detect him but lets assume that Wolverine can use his sense because in one issues he was able to detect different dopplegangers. Furthermore that jet wasnt even flying at half the speed of a bullet. This also goes against the argument that in order to shoot Wolverine in the eye you need the Wrecking Crew or the Marauders as a distraction...hell Frank could use himself.
Hell Wolverine sense of hearing is so good that he can hear people breaking into a factory 100yards away but cant HEAR Cyclops really close.
http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/0004e4fp
Molly Hayes uses Wolverine hearing against him and considering she actually has amped speed its not a low showing.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv2012-page06.jpg
Kid, you ever heard of heightened senses? You got exactly three seconds to stop drilling a hole into my brain.and the result is...
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv2012-page07.jpgHell Frank Castle could use a personal alarm and then blast him point blank with a grenade launcher or something.
Other points Wolverine can dodge bullets. Of course he can bloody dodge bullets but expert marksman have been able to shoot him time and time again. Just because Spiderman can dodge lasers doesnt mean he can dodge a punch by Captain America which is much slower than the speed of light, in the same way just because Wolverine can dodge bullets and lasers doesnt mean hes not going to get shot or blown up by Punisher with 1hrs prep especially when hes been beaten without prep Even if he gets into point blank range we cant assume hes going to win because Frank has beaten him without prep. Furthermore some of the examples of Wolverine getting shot are due to him being distracted which Frank is more than capable of doing especially with 1hrs prep.
Just because Wolverine got shot in the nuts doesnt mean that he cant go down with a baseball bat to the nuts. Cap has had his head used as a battering ram by a superhuman Red Skull, so does this mean that DD or Crossbones cant KO him with punches....of course they can people have different showings
Wolverine has beaten all these people with prep??? First of all DP has actually beaten Wolverine with prep and since his HF is reduced he can use conventional tranqs but very very high does. DP is prone to CIS you can actually see that when he last fought Wolverine his insanity hindered him. It could damn well be argued that Frank is better at Prep than DP because hes not prone to CIS and has actually caught DP with prep. Hell Frank has caused Winter Soldier to back down because he didnt want his brains blown out.
You cant just be selective with your examples. There are plenty of examples to show how Wolverine can be beaten with prep. You cant just pick all the high ones when there are lots of low ones as well......especially when they apply to this situation [/B]
"point blank with a grenade launcher" 😐
Also "you can't be selective with your examples" You mean like you are being?
o what you're saying is that because other people can acomplish things with superpowers Frank is going to be able to do what these other characters did despite the fact that he doesn't have these superpowers?
"point blank with a grenade launcher"
Also "you can't be selective with your examples" You mean like you are being?
heck in a straight up fight (which made absolutely no sense and jinzin has yet to address it) frank was practically fighting him without embarrassing himself. battlehammer was wrong when he said frank got wtfpwned. that's wrong. he was fighting pretty good. awww hell...........i'll just post the pics soo enough.
I think it's getting a little bit stupid and a little bit personal here. I respect that jinzin and Battlehammer overcame me with facts that I obviously wasn't well-versed on, it doesn't mean that there has to be hate between the Wolverine side and the Punisher side.
I'm just going to stick to my original point in that Punisher has enough prep and strategy in an hour to take down Wolverine, as Wolverine isn't completely invincible to everything and Frank could get enough in an hour to weaken any unprotected points or target Logan's weaknesses. Not to say that it would be very easy for Punisher, I just feel sure that he could take the majority with a large arsenal.
Originally posted by Etrigan
I think it's getting a little bit stupid and a little bit personal here. I respect that jinzin and Battlehammer overcame me with facts that I obviously wasn't well-versed on, it doesn't mean that there has to be hate between the Wolverine side and the Punisher side.I'm just going to stick to my original point in that Punisher has enough prep and strategy in an hour to take down Wolverine, as Wolverine isn't completely invincible to everything and Frank could get enough in an hour to weaken any unprotected points or target Logan's weaknesses. Not to say that it would be very easy for Punisher, I just feel sure that he could take the majority with a large arsenal.
I agree...we should all debate politely and respectably 🙂
That said..what if we break this down
Wolverine with no adamantium, no claws, no healing factor and no heightened senses......is a character with over 100 years of experience, as a soldier..samurai...secret agent....hero
Punisher is a character about 35 or 40* and has been a soldier and a vigilante/hero
There are allot of points on both sides,scans for both cases indeed, but lets face it...wolverine gets stabbed shot diced etc... etc because he can! writers will have loads of fun doing things to him that can never be done to cap,batman,superman and many other characters.... etc etc etc
I am sorry an hour is not enough in a warehouse.....I.M.O
Originally posted by Creshosk
Because that was totally directed at you, because just about that your name was one of the ones in quotes... Get over yourself.
You see this is exactly what im talking about people wonder why I insult you and this is a perfect example. My name should not have even been mentioned you were debating about how its impossible for Wolverine to get shot in the brain via eye. One of the reasons why my name was mentioned was because you thought I was one of the people arguing that it was possible when it wasnt......dont worry.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So what you're saying is that because other people can acomplish things with superpowers Frank is going to be able to do what these other characters did despite the fact that he doesn't have these superpowers?"point blank with a grenade launcher" 😐
Well for starters LD didnt use any powers to distract Wolverine long enough for him to get hit in the head by the Jet.
Molly Hayes just used her voice and not powers to affect Wolverines hearing.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Also "you can't be selective with your examples" You mean like you are being?
Ok try and read and understand this quote.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B] You cant just pick all the high ones when there are lots of low ones as well......especially when they apply to this situation [/B]
Which is one of the reasons why I said i'll settle for 5/10.
Originally posted by starlock
I agree...we should all debate politely and respectably 🙂That said..what if we break this down
Wolverine with no adamantium, no claws, no healing factor and no heightened senses......is a character with over 100 years of experience, as a soldier..samurai...secret agent....hero
Punisher is a character about 35 or 40* and has been a soldier and a vigilante/hero
There are allot of points on both sides,scans for both cases indeed, but lets face it...wolverine gets stabbed shot diced etc... etc because he can! writers will have loads of fun doing things to him that can never be done to cap,batman,superman and many other characters.... etc etc etc
I am sorry an hour is not enough in a warehouse.....I.M.O
In what setting would an hour be enough for Punisher to win with an hours' prep? I think a warehouse is perfect for his combat style.
Originally posted by EtriganDid you read my response to you?
I think it's getting a little bit stupid and a little bit personal here. I respect that jinzin and Battlehammer overcame me with facts that I obviously wasn't well-versed on, it doesn't mean that there has to be hate between the Wolverine side and the Punisher side.I'm just going to stick to my original point in that Punisher has enough prep and strategy in an hour to take down Wolverine, as Wolverine isn't completely invincible to everything and Frank could get enough in an hour to weaken any unprotected points or target Logan's weaknesses. Not to say that it would be very easy for Punisher, I just feel sure that he could take the majority with a large arsenal.
