Punisher vs Wolverine

Yeah, of course I did. I just still feel that Punisher has an advantage.

Even after reading the big one?

How?

Originally posted by Badabing
This isn't directed at any one person so don't PM me with complaints. durfist

Guys, we're starting to get too many reports from this thread again. I don't want to close threads or give out warnings but if this keeps up then I will. Thanks.

Well you remember the Wolverine vs Namor thread.....

Originally posted by Badabing

People can't call foul and make excuses every time Logan loses. That's the reason people get sarcastic and bash on these threads when it pertains to certain characters. Superimposing personal thoughts, what ifs, nah ahs and hyperbole onto an on panel fight doesn't take away the from the result. Wolverine lost, plain and simple. So what? Every character loses in comics. It doesn't take away from the Wolverine character.

durfist

Originally posted by jinzin
Even after reading the big one?

How?

Yeah man your post was brilliant how could anybody disgree with you after reading that. 🙄 I dunno maybe just stating that Wolverine can win and giving examples of him dodging bullets when hes been hit loads of other times doesnt give a convincing argument.

Originally posted by jinzin
Even after reading the big one?

How?

Just repeating my points, I feel that Punisher could pour it on enough for Logan to at least lose some ground.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh and by the way when Wolverine got conked on the head by the jet he didnt know Puck was inside it. I was going to actually tell you but I wanted to see how long you were gonna keep bsing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-18.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-20.jpg
[B] Puck it was you that conked my adamantuim skull?
[/B]

I wasn't BSing, I was posing a legitimate question.
Wolverine is obviously going to ask if it was Puck that hit him, because Puck....... get ready for this..... IS ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE ON MARVEL EARTH THAT LOGAN'S SENSE OF SMELL CAN'T PIN DOWN!

😐

That doesn't change the fact that he was using an Alpha Flight jet, or the fact that because it was an Alpha Flight jet, Wolverine probably wouldn't percieve it as a threat, even if it was flying low.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not only that Wolverine KNOWS Puck scent but he wasnt able to detect him

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
but lets assume that Wolverine can use his sense because in one issues he was able to detect different dopplegangers.

😐

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Wolverine recognizes that a host of Nafarian creatures who have no scent and make no noise are on their way towards him.
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Furthermore that jet wasnt even flying at half the speed of a bullet. [B]This also goes against the argument that in order to shoot Wolverine in the eye you need the Wrecking Crew or the Marauders as a distraction...hell Frank could use himself.[/B]

Punisher can't shoot Wolverine through the eye as it's physically impossible.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hell Wolverine sense of hearing is so good that he can hear people breaking into a factory 100yards away but cant HEAR Cyclops really close.

http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/0004e4fp

Molly Hayes uses Wolverine hearing against him and considering she actually has amped speed its not a low showing.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv2012-page06.jpg
[B] Kid, you ever heard of heightened senses? You got exactly three seconds to stop drilling a hole into my brain.

and the result is...
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv2012-page07.jpg

Hell Frank Castle could use a personal alarm and then blast him point blank with a grenade launcher or something.[/B]

I'm not even sure I follow your nonsense by here... At one point it looks like you're arguing that Wolverine's sense of hearing isn't anything to be concerned about (using an example where Wolverine's senses are from all appearances neutralized), BUT it's enough for Punisher to take advantage of? 🤨

Look, if thunderclaps from Thing, Savage Hulk, Grey Hulk, and Proffesor Hulk didn't put him down (3 of those didn't even phase him) due to his HF, Punisher isn't taking advantage of this...
Again... point blank range isn't where Punisher wants to be.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Other points Wolverine can dodge bullets. Of course he can bloody dodge bullets but expert marksman have been able to shoot him time and time again. [B] Just because Spiderman can dodge lasers doesnt mean he can dodge a punch by Captain America which is much slower than the speed of light, in the same way just because Wolverine can dodge bullets and lasers doesnt mean hes not going to get shot or blown up by Punisher with 1hrs prep especially when hes been beaten without prep Even if he gets into point blank range we cant assume hes going to win because Frank has beaten him without prep. Furthermore some of the examples of Wolverine getting shot are due to him being distracted which Frank is more than capable of doing especially with 1hrs prep. [/B]

And again, Wolverine's already dealt withexpert marksmen, Bushwacker couldn't hit him with an automatic until he got into point blank range.
And... What the hell is the matter with your rampant fanboy brain?

Wolverine got "beat" in a fight written by Ennis. Ennis couldn't even figure out how to write a fight that Punisher could win without attributing any advantage Punisher gained through luck... Again, the fight was also not finished when it stopped, there's a strong likelyhood Wolverine would have simply steamrolled right through Punisher on fire or not...

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]Just because Wolverine got shot in the nuts doesnt mean that he cant go down with a baseball bat to the nuts. Cap has had his head used as a battering ram by a superhuman Red Skull, so does this mean that DD or Crossbones cant KO him with punches....of course they can people have different showings [/B]

Explain to me howbeing repeatidly shot in the groin is in no way worse than being hit by a baseball bat there... 🤨
Meh, you know what that really has no bearing here anyways... I don't know what you're trying to prove there.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wolverine has beaten all these people with prep??? First of all DP has actually beaten Wolverine with prep and since his HF is reduced he can use conventional tranqs but very very high does. [B] DP is prone to CIS you can actually see that when he last fought Wolverine his insanity hindered him. It could damn well be argued that Frank is better at Prep than DP because hes not prone to CIS and has actually caught DP with prep. Hell Frank has caused Winter Soldier to back down because he didnt want his brains blown out.[/B]

uh... no... Deadpool beat Wolverine with tranqs that were supplied to him by the Administrator, a geneticist who's lightyears ahead of Deadpool and Punisher in intelligence and knew exactly what to do to take Wolverine down.... Deadpool's ALWAYS been prone to CIS, including past fights with Wolverine AND Punisher, it doesn't make him less dangerous, insome cases moreso as he's unpredictable. 😂
Winter Soldier didn't "back down" you dunce... He didn't want to fight Frank in the first place. Punisher pulled a gun on an unarmed man and still got put into a stalemated position... If you think Winter Soldier couldn't crush Pun's trachea with his biomech arm as fast as Pun could pull his trigger you're out of your mind.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You cant just be selective with your examples. There are plenty of examples to show how Wolverine can be beaten with prep. [B] You cant just pick all the high ones when there are lots of low ones as well......especially when they apply to this situation [/B]

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Half your argument hinges on an Ennis written story and you're telling me I'm selective.. you're right, you ARE a waste of time, go read some comics.

I feel the Punisher side has lost ground, and due to jinzin's relentless and somewhat jaw-droppingly proof-laden battle, I think my opinion is changing. Wolverine 7/10; I had no idea how little I was clued in on Logan until now.

I SEE THE LIGHT

Originally posted by Etrigan
In what setting would an hour be enough for Punisher to win with an hours' prep? I think a warehouse is perfect for his combat style.

Maybe a slaughter house, a steel mill, a printing factory?

Something that has machine's and stuff in it allready, things that can hamper wolvie...what kind of warehouse? whats inside?

Every warehouse i have been in that is not product producing specific items( i used to work at a terminal market..over 100 warehouses......they have girders and makeshift shelvs...and the things that go on them.and some have long wheelie ladder things they propel boxes on..what else? the thread starter never goes into detail.........know i have read about 20 pages or so....dont blame me if its in some post that is not the first one lol

Punisher with one hour....i just dont see it...not according to this site...which likes to use the rules when they see fit...but not across the board when they like or dislike a character 🙂

I usually imagine a warehouse as a large wooden place with a lot of crates, shelves, and loaders.

Point is, I think it's a little late for the thread starter to change the setting now, as it would probably go in someone's favour after such a heated debate.

Lol Jinzin is to wolverine what mungi is to alpha flight.

Jinzin has a shit load of scanns and you really don't want to piss him off lol

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Lol Jinzin is to wolverine what mungi is to alpha flight.

Jinzin has a shit load of scanns and you really don't want to piss him off lol

I can easily rebutt those points but i'll do that later.

Originally posted by Etrigan
I usually imagine a warehouse as a large wooden place with a lot of crates, shelves, and loaders.

Point is, I think it's a little late for the thread starter to change the setting now, as it would probably go in someone's favour after such a heated debate.

True....but i think you get my point 😎

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I can easily rebutt those points but i'll do that later.

Your beeing extremely selective and using low showings as the norm for wolverine, while using high showings as the norm for punisher.

Originally posted by jinzin

Which means nothing....
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/AlphaFLight_17_18.jpg

I'll respond to your other posts tomorrow but what do you think this statement means.

Wolverine: We've seen enough action--- even though it wasn't always on the same side. That was you that time in Maracaibo wasn't it?

Puck: You guessed? I'm flattered you could recognize my signature in the midst of all that mess.

😐

So in other words Wolverine was able to detect Puck when he wasnt sneaking up on him. Was Puck trying to sneak up on him....no. 👆
There is no indication that he even knew the jet was behind him. Please show me where in this scan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-18.jpg

Hell it even implies that he cant detect it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I can easily rebutt those points but i'll do that later.

not with facts.. just more of your fanboy nonsense and wishful thinking.

I don't think Phantom Zone is really a fanboy but he's generally quite defensive of Punisher. He does know his stuff on the character, which is a plus.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I'll respond to your other posts tomorrow but what do you think this statement means.

Wolverine: We've seen enough action--- even though it wasn't always on the same side. That was you that time in Maracaibo wasn't it?

Puck: You guessed? I'm flattered you could recognize my signature in the midst of all that mess.

😐

So in other words Wolverine was able to detect Puck when he wasnt sneaking up on him. Was Puck trying to sneak up on him....no. 👆
There is no indication that he even knew the jet was behind him. Please show me where in this scan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-18.jpg

Hell it even implies that he cant detect it.

Puck's signature.... signature......

And no Puck didn't even know Wolverine was in there.. his sneak up was completely unintentional...

No there isn't. Again, I was posing a legitimate question....

Let me pose another... What do you think that scan proves for Punisher anyways?

If the plane was upwind, and moving without a sound going at god knowswhat speed, hitting Wolverine in the back of the head while Wolverine's as you said distracted by Lady D proves exactly what for Punisher you think?

Originally posted by Etrigan
I don't think Phantom Zone is really a fanboy but he's generally quite defensive of Punisher. He does know his stuff on the character, which is a plus.

But I maintain that he is a fanboy. He afterall did carry on arguments for Punisher vs DC earth, Apokilips, and HP Doomsday, which is all crazy as hell.

This isn't directed at any one person so don't PM me with complaints. Guys, we're starting to get too many reports from this thread again. I don't want to close threads or give out warnings but if this keeps up then I will. Thanks.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You see this is exactly what im talking about people wonder why I insult you and this is a perfect example. My name should not have even been mentioned

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
you were debating about how its impossible for Wolverine to get shot in the brain via eye. One of the reasons why my name was mentioned was because you thought I was one of the people arguing that it was possible when it wasnt......dont worry.

I mentioned YOUR name because of how... adamant... your'e being about some of the stupidest things. Punisher vs Apokolips?

Seriously...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well for starters LD didnt use any powers to distract Wolverine long enough for him to get hit in the head by the Jet.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Molly Hayes just used her voice and not powers to affect Wolverines hearing.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok try and read and understand this quote.

Which is one of the reasons why I said i'll settle for 5/10.