Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B] Wolverines brilliant senses1. Getting shot by Bucky. Yes he was wearing ink but ink gives off a scent.
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Wolverine's walking down the street and got shot by what his senses would detect as nothing more than a civilian from two blocks away... That's not Bucky that shot him, it's a seperate sniper Bucky hired... If you READ comics you would know that.
Later, when Bucky does get the drop on Logan covered in ink.... ink has a scent that Wolverine should be concerned about being attacked from?
Interesting.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWhile running after a perp. So once again compounding upon the Punisher needs outside help stuff you've already spewed out.
2. Getting shot by Punisher
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1659/punisherwarjournal00712kv2.jpg
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneBy a rocket launcher? Ummm no...
3. Getting missle launched by the Punisher. So what is its Einnis hes been shot on other ocassions sans Einnis.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9973/thepunisherv435confederjf6.jpg
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIn a room that dulled his senses, the same way it took away Rogues powers when Wolverine ambushed her.
4. Not being able to sense Cyclops with his hearing. Jinzin said that Wolverine can detect people breaking into a factory but cant hear Cyclops several meters away.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
http://pics.livejournal.com/wal_lace/pic/0004e4fp5. Not being able to detect Wonder Man. You said he can see bullets in slow motion and dodge lasers with ease and has a more heightened sense of smell than Daredevil.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
6. Hell heres another one these people were watching Wolverine and he didnt even notice, until the guy said his name....hell I found this by accident what happened to his heigtned sense of hearing and smell. THE GUY WAS RIGHT BEHIND HIM BUT WOLVERINE DIDNT DETECT HIM UNTIL HE SAID HIS NAME!!!!!!http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine44006dk3.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine44010ac0.jpg
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
7. Doesnt even know that Namor was behind him.http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45007gm3.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine45008wd9.jpgand before you start telling me that Namor is faster than Frank, the point is that Wolverine allowed him to finish saying "Imperiex", hell if I can see bullets in slow motion I can damn well react before somebody finishes saying Imperiex.
Wolverine knew Namor was behind him, Wolverine put him there. Wolverine just assumed Namor was already out of the fight having dropped him with a stab through the clavacles, a mistake on Wolverine's part but not due to his senses.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
8. Puck with the jet. Hell that jet isnt even moving at half the speed of sound. Furthermore Wolverine has been able to detect his scent before, because Wolverine was able to detect his scent in a crowded city.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF34-18.jpg
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hell I really cant be bothered to respond to anymore posts. Hell even in my last post Jinzin keeps misintepreting what im saying and basically missing the point per usual....I dunno I might post some more.1. Not comparing Punishers H2H skills with Caps im saying people with skill can hit people who can dodge lasers.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt's hard for me to process nonsense with your rampant fanboyism, lack of knowledge, and complete bias concerning these characters.
2. For the love of god read it again and comprehend. Try and process the information.Im not responding to your post because alot of it basically rubbish banghead
You throw up scans I throw up scans your not proving anything.
Every scan here wasn't a legitimate example of someone like Punisher getting the drop on Wolverine in a situation like this one free of outside interference, with the exception of the Atlantean one ASSUMING they even produce a human like scent.
Of course if you read the comics instead of looking for every pretty picture where Wolverine looks at the bottom of his game, you might have at least a CHANCE of understanding that... Not much, but a chance.
Originally posted by Sado22
see the problem with you, phantom zone, is that you don't get simple things. let me explain:he let himself be shot. stop being an idiot. and wolverine has blue eyes. this shows the writer doesn't know what he's talking about!
punisher? that's automatic PIS.
you dare bring Ennis in these discussions? the guy who made wolverine get shot just like everyone else? you're so stupid man. can't you see the bias!? he made wolveirne get shot! everyone else makes wolveirne get shot too.........and so he's biased. use your head! 😠
that doesn't mean sh-t. that was just....just....just.....bad writing! and you know it, you fanboy!
he let himself be hit. PAY ATTENTION!
......but...but....but....but......
aw hell, you're a fanboy!you're an idiot. not one thing you posted there makes any sense. its a huge collection of PIS, badwriting and wolverine letting himself getting hit.
oh what? how did i know he let himself be hit? because i'm not a fanboy like you. learn to make sense phantom zone.
~Sado
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Originally posted by Sado22
and this isn't as ridiculous as people seem to make it. in a "what if" called Punisher VS Marvel he managed to kill everyone in non PIS ways. he killed hulk by waiting for him to become Bruce and shot him while he slept, he C4'd the X-mansion and killed everyone there, he killed logan by electricuting him long enough for his skin to incinerate and his brain melt and he suckered Cap and shot him in the head. there were others but i only remember these.~Sado
~Sado
My god, who gave that writer a job, he got his eye color wrong...HE SHOULD BE SHOT!
and this isn't as ridiculous as people seem to make it. in a "what if" called Punisher VS Marvel he managed to kill everyone in non PIS ways. he killed hulk by waiting for him to become Bruce and shot him while he slept, he C4'd the X-mansion and killed everyone there, he killed logan by electricuting him long enough for his skin to incinerate and his brain melt and he suckered Cap and shot him in the head. there were others but i only remember these.
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine's walking down the street and got shot by what his senses would detect as nothing more than a civilian from two blocks away... That's not Bucky that shot him, it's a seperate sniper Bucky hired... If you READ comics you would know that.Later, when Bucky does get the drop on Logan covered in ink.... ink has a scent that Wolverine should be concerned about being attacked from?
Interesting.
Irrelevent why didnt he sense him then. Hell you said that Wolverine has a greater sense of small than Daredevil why didnt he do THIS???!!
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dd6217ng8.jpg
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Originally posted by jinzin
While running after a perp. So once again compounding upon the Punisher needs outside help stuff you've already spewed out.
So what in the above example he was just shopping and he still got shot. At the end of the day you said he had better smell than DD he should have been able to detect him. Furthermore if Molly bloody Hayes can distract him by just using her voice im pretty sure Frank can, he doesnt need a third party he can use traps.
Originally posted by jinzin
By a rocket launcher? Ummm no...
Wolverine's diced multiple rockets out of the air, multiple rocket powered darts, he's snagged a rocket that got shot at him by mojo, kicked a rocket away after it had been fired at him, dodged a rocket shot at him by deadpool, zipped past rockets shot at him by an apache copter.... But Ennis writes Wolverine like a complete idiot once and it's solid as concrete to you isn't it? Of course it is! Punisher's as good with his aim as Bullseye and everyone knows Wolverine's an idiot without any sense of smell, there's no way he could ever avoid being shot from behind. 🙄
WS soldiers sniper shot him anyway so that dont mean nothing.
Originally posted by jinzin
In a room that dulled his senses, the same way it took away Rogues powers when Wolverine ambushed her.
Wolverine said it dulled his sense of smell not hearing.
Originally posted by jinzin
He knew Wonderman was behind him but he was 1) Already fighting Shaman's construct, and 2) Heather had already told him that she'd handled Wonderman before leaving him there alone.
Er actually last time this was your excuse.
Originally posted by jinzin
His senses aren't perfect, he's not Spiderman, and frankly even Spidey's been taken by surprise from-behind-the-back-sneak-attacks.
The only question here is do you think Wolverine would have been too slow to react if he knew the attack was coming.. Of course the only LOGICAL answer to this question is a flat out NO... but I don't expect that from you... 😉
Make your mind did he know he was behind him or not?
Originally posted by jinzin
Do Atlanteans even produce a scent on par with humans?😐
Well considering they were in human form yes. Furthermore you've shown scans of him sensing aliens why are Atlantaens the exception. Furthermore why didnt he state that there was something funny about their scent hell he didnt even know they were Atlantaen in fact he showed no suprise or anything, enough with the excuses. He made no indication that there was something funny about there scent so we cant make that assumption
Originally posted by jinzin
IMPERIUS REX as in King, not Imperiex you jackass, that's not even the right universe, or company for that matter...Wolverine knew Namor was behind him, Wolverine put him there. Wolverine just assumed Namor was already out of the fight having dropped him with a stab through the clavacles, a mistake on Wolverine's part but not due to his senses.
Not even the point and what I was sayiong went completely over your head. He can see bullets in slow motion and dodge lasers with ease but dindt even react fast enough for him to finish a word.
Originally posted by jinzin
Again, you have no idea how fast it was going, it wasn't making a sound, and if it was upwind it wouldn't be picked up by his Ofactory... Upwind isn't a factor inside a werehouse.
1. Prove it was upwind and stop making assumptions.
2. HE WAS TRYING TO LAND THE JET IN THE DARK HOW FAST DO YOU THINK HE WAS FLYING THE SPEED OF SOUND...GOD!!!!
3. Even if it was upwind you said he has a greater sense than Daredevil he would ahve been able to smell it anyway!
Originally posted by jinzin
But you are. You said because Cap can hit Spiderman with fists, Punisher can shoot Wolverine with whatever... But they're not comparable. Cap's fists consistently hit their mark when it comes to Spidey, Punisher's guns don't... They're not comparable.
Punisher can use his skill to hit opponents that can dodge lasers that the point for the love of god.
Hell heres another one he didnt even know DP was there until he actually looked at him.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WO_21_DCP_0005.jpg
If he has a great sense of smell he should have been able to recognise his scent in the nearby vicnity.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Irrelevent why didnt he sense him then. Hell you said that Wolverine has a greater sense of small than Daredevil why didnt he do THIS???!!http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dd6217ng8.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dd6218yn6.jpg
It has nothing to do with what I've said, it's something that DD has outright admitted to. He said it, I'm only confirming it.
There could be a number of reasons why, the shooter in DD wasn't as proffessional, the shooter in origins and endings may have been downwind from Logan, Winter Soldier planned the trap and he knew enough to mask his own scent, he would have been inclined to do the same for his marksman, who is by the way.. a woman not a man, again read some comics.
This example doesn't disprove what DD has admitted to, that Wolverine has a better ofactory.. If we knew with absolute certainty that Wolverine failed in the exact same situation as Daredevil excelled in then it would bring up a good counter point in evidence, but there's too many factors to be accounted for. When they HAVE been put in the exact same situation with the exact same circumstances, Wolverine's was better and DD admitted it, so why can't you?
Oh right, cause you're a fanboy who tries to discredit Logan at every corner.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So what in the above example he was just shopping and he still got shot. At the end of the day you said he had better smell than DD he should have been able to detect him. Furthermore if Molly bloody Hayes can distract him by just using her voice im pretty sure Frank can, he doesnt need a third party he can use traps.
I fail to see how Molly sending Logan flying out the building has anything to do with Wolverine and the way he'd be acting in a fight..
Again, out of 4 thunderclaps only one has effected him and he still stood up to it and was able to react to and counteract everything that got thrown at him afterwards. Punisher isn't taking advantage of a guy who took out Banshee while fighting other X-men.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneBecause WS sniper shot Wolverine who wasn't aware he was in a confrontation proves that Ennis' feat is acceptable? Interesting.
WS soldiers sniper shot him anyway so that dont mean nothing.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wolverine said it dulled his sense of smell not hearing.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er actually last time this was your excuse.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Make your mind did he know he was behind him or not?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well considering they were in human form yes. Furthermore you've shown scans of him sensing aliens why are Atlantaens the exception.
I'm not saying they are, I'm posing a question. You're bringing up examples to try and discredit Logans stated powers, all of your examples are scewed thus far so it stands to reason that this one is either A) Also skewed or B) An exception to the rule and thus a low showing.
One way to explain it without it being a low showing is if Atlanteans don't give off a human scent, I don't know whether they do or not so I'm asking.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Furthermore why didnt he state that there was something funny about their scent hell he didnt even know they were Atlantaen in fact he showed no suprise or anything, enough with the excuses. [B]He made no indication that there was something funny about there scent so we cant make that assumption[/B]
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHe was "finishing" the word as he was punching Logan to kingdom come. Not really a bad feat considering how fast Namor is AND Logan was far from 100%, he did, afterall, just heal from a skeleton.
Not even the point and what I was sayiong went completely over your head. He can see bullets in slow motion and dodge lasers with ease but dindt even react fast enough for him to finish a word.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B] 1. Prove it was upwind and stop making assumptions.
2. HE WAS TRYING TO LAND THE JET IN THE DARK HOW FAST DO YOU THINK HE WAS FLYING THE SPEED OF SOUND...GOD!!!!
3. Even if it was upwind you said he has a greater sense than Daredevil he would ahve been able to smell it anyway!
At what range? 15 feet? Maybe. Moving at high speeds while he's stuck fighting LD? and that would sufficiently prove his powers not to work?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWell then you should use examples of Punisher shooting people that dodge lasers to prove the point, not Cap punching Spiderman, that makes no sense.
Punisher can use his skill to hit opponents that can dodge lasers that the point for the love of god.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hell heres another one he didnt even know DP was there until he actually looked at him.http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WO_21_DCP_0005.jpg
If he has a great sense of smell he should have been able to recognise his scent in the nearby vicnity.
Yeah, that's great evidence ya got there. 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
It has nothing to do with what I've said, it's something that DD has outright admitted to. He said it, I'm only confirming it.
There could be a number of reasons why, the shooter in DD wasn't as proffessional, the shooter in origins and endings may have been downwind from Logan, Winter Soldier planned the trap and he knew enough to mask his own scent, he would have been inclined to do the same for his marksman, who is by the way.. a woman not a man, again read some comics.This example doesn't disprove what DD has admitted to, that Wolverine has a better ofactory.. If we knew with absolute certainty that Wolverine failed in the exact same situation as Daredevil excelled in then it would bring up a good counter point in evidence, but there's too many factors to be accounted for. When they HAVE been put in the exact same situation with the exact same circumstances, Wolverine's was better and DD admitted it, so why can't you?
Oh right, cause you're a fanboy who tries to discredit Logan at every corner.I fail to see how Molly sending Logan flying out the building has anything to do with Wolverine and the way he'd be acting in a fight..
Again, out of 4 thunderclaps only one has effected him and he still stood up to it and was able to react to and counteract everything that got thrown at him afterwards. Punisher isn't taking advantage of a guy who took out Banshee while fighting other X-men.Because WS sniper shot Wolverine who wasn't aware he was in a confrontation proves that Ennis' feat is acceptable? Interesting.
Yeah and? Again it's a room that effectively dulls all powers as part of an illusion.
Actually that was my final solution to trying to get you to see a point when you kept throwing that as evidence that Wonder Man is too fast for Wolverine to react to.
If you look at multiple statements about the feat I've given before it's always been that WM blindsided Wolverine right as Wolverine was finishing off Shaman's construct. And how does my reaction to this feat make it admissible now? Oh right it doesn't, since it once again compounds the outside help scenario for Punisher.Of course he did, since the fight started with him and Heather vs. WM and Shaman it's pretty logical that Wolverine knew he was behind him. What Logan didn't know was that Simon was coming at him for an attack since, once again, he thought Heather had it covered.
That's a fact? Scan? Proof?
I'm not saying they are, I'm posing a question. You're bringing up examples to try and discredit Logans stated powers, all of your examples are scewed thus far so it stands to reason that this one is either A) Also skewed or B) An exception to the rule and thus a low showing.
One way to explain it without it being a low showing is if Atlanteans don't give off a human scent, I don't know whether they do or not so I'm asking.
I didn't ask if there was anything funny about their scent, nor am I making excuses... I'm asking a legitimate question.
Do they have a human scent?He was "finishing" the word as he was punching Logan to kingdom come. Not really a bad feat considering how fast Namor is AND Logan was far from 100%, he did, afterall, just heal from a skeleton.
I can't. You're the one trying to disprove Logan's stated powers actually work, so you need to prove that his stated powers failed to work under the right conditions.
At what range? 15 feet? Maybe. Moving at high speeds while he's stuck fighting LD? and that would sufficiently prove his powers not to work?
Well then you should use examples of Punisher shooting people that dodge lasers to prove the point, not Cap punching Spiderman, that makes no sense.
Crap. More excuses im done now I might respond later but I dunno.
What excuses?
So far you've used examples where Wolverine wasn't aware he was in a fight, was distracted fighting, running after or otherwise engaged with someone else, was already put through the wringer, had his powers figuratively dampened, getting hit by someone he thought was already down, or written by Ennis...
The only feat that MIGHT be legitimate to use against him is the one with the Atlanteans, IF they have a human scent.
What you're doing is ridiculous, it's like me showing every example I've got of Superman going down to Kryptonite to prove that he's not all that, and everytime someone points out to me... "uhhh Kriptonite?"... I fool myself into believing they're making up excuses.
You're a fanboy, a ridiculous fanboy who wants to argue that a hundred Punisher bots can take a creature that laid waste to the entire Green Lantern Corpse, of course I'm not surprised you would ALSO be ridiculous enough to argue that Wolverine's heightened senses can't pick Punisher out of a werehouse. 😂
Originally posted by Etrigan
Determination is an amazing thing.
Sorry im done for now, not because I cant respond but these threads can distract you from other stuff. I had some stuff I planned to do this morning but my schedule get messed up. So I might respond to the post sometime later this week, but as far as im concerned my time is being wasted because all im getting is excuses.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Sorry im done for now, not because I cant respond but these threads can distract you from other stuff. I had some stuff I planned to do this morning but my schedule get messed up. So I might respond to the post sometime later this week, but as far as im concerned my time is being wasted because all im getting is excuses.
Uhh, you're trying to disprove a stated fact... His powers of animal keen heightened senses have been a part of the character since his incarnation, it's been stated by every bio he's ever had, the back of almost every card he's ever been on, and in narrative panel after panel after panel for over thirty years!.... It would be one thing if it was only a statement, but it has loads of proof backing it up, giving it merrit.
To discredit Logan's stated powers you need proof that take precedence by having both an overwhelming majority, AND by being free of CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence. You've done neither.
Again, "Kryptonite" isn't an excuse. Read some comics and come back when you have real evidence.
Originally posted by EtriganWho is that directed at?
Determination is an amazing thing.
